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ecam
09-15-2018, 12:17 PM
Looks like the G4 haters are having a field day with the guy who cruised hurricane Florence. Nice job dude. I'm sure it felt good to brag to your buddies at the bar and made your chest puff out a little but stuff like this is the bad press this company needs to avoid. Go ahead and read some of the comments on the twitter link.

Our reputation ain't the greatest. We need to be better than the rest. Not pulling dumb stunts like this. I'm sure it WAS a relatively smooth ride above the bad stuff, but you must consider the OPTICS when you make decisions like this. It looks bad. It looks scary. And passengers don't understand it. The general public doesn't think like we do, and the mainstream media is always looking for an excuse to hang the airlines. Especially this one. Stop giving them reasons.

Let's be safe and smart out there. Any airline is only one incident away from shutting down and putting a lot of great people out of work.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/allegiant-flies-through-hurricane-florence/

https://livestormchasers.com/leave-it-to-allegiant-to-fly-into-hurricane-florence/

Budget Airline Allegiant Air Flies Directly Through Hurricane Florence - The Drive (http://www.thedrive.com/news/23614/budget-airline-allegiant-air-flies-directly-through-hurricane-florence)

https://twitter.com/thepointsguy/status/1041002724177920000


j3cub
09-15-2018, 01:07 PM
How long have you worked here and/or flown Florida routes? I have countless screenshots of flights we've done that overfly hurricanes and tropical storms. Just because some idiot at ATC Memes wants to hate doesn't mean it's unsafe. Unless you are right on the eye wall, the outer portions (especially on their west side, are pretty unimpressive). It's not usually difficult to top them and rarely is turbulence an issue.

When Irma was just southeast of Miami we operated all of our flights out of PGD and PIE. Guess what, our flights overlaid the western radar depictions. No big deal.

Fay, Beryl and Matthew come to mind as well. Stop making a big deal out of nothing.

ecam
09-15-2018, 01:42 PM
How long have you worked here and/or flown Florida routes? I have countless screenshots of flights we've done that overfly hurricanes and tropical storms. Just because some idiot at ATC Memes wants to hate doesn't mean it's unsafe. Unless you are right on the eye wall, the outer portions (especially on their west side, are pretty unimpressive). It's not usually difficult to top them and rarely is turbulence an issue.

When Irma was just southeast of Miami we operated all of our flights out of PGD and PIE. Guess what, our flights overlaid the western radar depictions. No big deal.

Fay, Beryl and Matthew come to mind as well. Stop making a big deal out of nothing.

I understand that, and there's a good chance I've flown through, over and around a lot of tropical systems all over the world in the 30 or so years I've been flying jets. Sometimes you just have no choice. The flight in question wasn't one of those times. He could have easily gone to the west like everyone else. He just chose to be macho.

Unfortunately, you completely missed the point. It doesn't matter that we know its okay, it's the media and the general public who get to be the judge jury and executioner. And it's not just that immature child at ATC memes, it's everywhere, even local TV stations are picking it up now in places where we have a presence. Allegiant is being watched and it's bad press. My point is THINK about the optics and how things like this paint the company if you still want to have a job. Those "idiots" who don't understand aviation pay our salaries. We aren't doing ourselves any favors by making them feel unsafe, regardless of how unfounded their fears actually are.


SonicFlyer
09-15-2018, 01:51 PM
Seems to me it would be bad ADM for the sole reason that if you had a problem and had to descend / divert it could be quite ugly.... given their MX issues, that's a very real possibility too. :(

Bengal
09-15-2018, 02:49 PM
The actual FlightAware track doesn’t look bad, assuming we are talking about Friday? It’s different than what was posted in the articles. Zoom in, and you can see they were mostly in the clear.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAY2237/history/20180914/1515Z/KBGR/KSFB

Jetpipe30
09-16-2018, 11:17 AM
I donít see a problem with this. This is the problem with todayís society. ANYTHING, can be news now with social media. If it is safe, itís safe. Iím sure we werenít the only ones who did that either. It just happened to captivate the attention of the social media loonies. It is our job to simply explain how this was not dangerous at all. Are we going to start armchair quarterbacking Doctors and Lawyers now even though we have no idea how to do them? Also, these media sites are very fake news and nobody reads them to begin with.


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Smooth at FL450
09-16-2018, 03:37 PM
I donít see a problem with this. This is the problem with todayís society. ANYTHING, can be news now with social media. If it is safe, itís safe. Iím sure we werenít the only ones who did that either. It just happened to captivate the attention of the social media loonies. It is our job to simply explain how this was not dangerous at all. Are we going to start armchair quarterbacking Doctors and Lawyers now even though we have no idea how to do them? Also, these media sites are very fake news and nobody reads them to begin with.


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Somewhere in the job description of an airline pilot is to not make said airline look bad. Flying over a hurricane while everyone else in that moment was deviating is not how you do that.

crxpilot
09-16-2018, 03:42 PM
Somewhere in the job description of an airline pilot is to not make said airline look bad. Flying over a hurricane while everyone else in that moment was deviating is not how you do that.
Is that like deicing cause everyone else is, even though you know you don't need to? Total lemming.

Smooth at FL450
09-16-2018, 04:51 PM
Is that like deicing cause everyone else is, even though you know you don't need to? Total lemming.

Not at all. At the moment the decision is made not to decice, the exact conditions/circumstances are known. And the crew has options if the weather changes before takeoff.

The same canít be said about he decision to overfly a hurricane (youíre not there yet) and your options are greatly reduced if things go downhill while over it.

Jetpipe30
09-16-2018, 05:18 PM
Not at all. At the moment the decision is made not to decice, the exact conditions/circumstances are known. And the crew has options if the weather changes before takeoff.



The same canít be said about he decision to overfly a hurricane (youíre not there yet) and your options are greatly reduced if things go downhill while over it.



As they say, ďbeauty is in the eye of the beholder,Ē -or in this case danger. Also, if things were to go wrong, how is this any different than any other thunderstorm or significant weather event that pilots navigate through on a Dailey basis? The answer is, it isnít. To an untrained eye you could pull up at least 5 screenshots on any given day where You can see an airline doing something exceedingly dangerous, but in all reality they are perfectly safe. Either you lack aviation knowledge or you are trying to make something out of nothing. Iím willing to bet both. This ďeventĒ has no basis for dialog beyond a normal everyday flight. But feel free to over exaggerate anything and everything that comes from social media, it seems to be the popular thing to do these days.


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wilco811
09-16-2018, 05:32 PM
The highlight of the article is ďthe plane landed safely and the crew reported it to be smooth.Ē Which means they were never near any danger at all as they were above most of it. But the article talks about storm chasers flying through it at 10,000 ft and flying at 200 to avoid breaking apart. Sounds like another shot at G4 with manipulative fake news tactics. Nothing to see here.

Mrcaptrorysir
09-16-2018, 10:17 PM
Ecam is an XXXXXXX. Please stop posting. You are a XXXXXXX. You are embarrassing the Allegaint pilot group. The best thing you can do is to remove yourself from all of social media, for the good of the pilot group.

eagleatr
09-17-2018, 09:40 AM
That has to be a record. Just joined, and already banned.

grnclvrs
09-18-2018, 10:35 AM
Not at all. At the moment the decision is made not to decice, the exact conditions/circumstances are known. And the crew has options if the weather changes before takeoff.

The same canít be said about he decision to overfly a hurricane (youíre not there yet) and your options are greatly reduced if things go downhill while over it.

I guess I better not fly over mountains or water from now on.:rolleyes:

Smooth at FL450
09-18-2018, 04:01 PM
I guess I better not fly over mountains or water from now on.:rolleyes:

Well if you havenít considered SE drift down, then you probably shouldnít

AvPilot
09-18-2018, 06:33 PM
As they say, ďbeauty is in the eye of the beholder,Ē -or in this case danger. Also, if things were to go wrong, how is this any different than any other thunderstorm or significant weather event that pilots navigate through on a Dailey basis? The answer is, it isnít. To an untrained eye you could pull up at least 5 screenshots on any given day where You can see an airline doing something exceedingly dangerous, but in all reality they are perfectly safe. Either you lack aviation knowledge or you are trying to make something out of nothing. Iím willing to bet both. This ďeventĒ has no basis for dialog beyond a normal everyday flight. But feel free to over exaggerate anything and everything that comes from social media, it seems to be the popular thing to do these days.


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Nailed in on the head! Smooth is clearly not an airline pilot. Or maybe an incompetent one if that.

Well if you havenít considered SE drift down, then you probably shouldnít

You realize driftdown is calculated for every flight? It's even on the first page of our release lol. I would also venture to guess, that data is near the first page of the release for every airline in the U.S.

Good for you though for thinking you know some trade secret that the rest of us are unaware of lol.

450knotOffice
09-18-2018, 06:50 PM
Nailed in on the head! Smooth is clearly not an airline pilot. Or maybe an incompetent one if that.



You realize driftdown is calculated for every flight? It's even on the first page of our release lol. I would also venture to guess, that data is near the first page of the release for every airline in the U.S.

Good for you though for thinking you know some trade secret that the rest of us are unaware of lol.

Driftdown INTO the storm from the top, numbnuts. Not a terrain issue in this case.

AvPilot
09-18-2018, 06:56 PM
Driftdown INTO the storm from the top, numbnuts. Not a terrain issue in this case.

Scroll two posts up. Smooth was making a point about not flying over mountains without drift down data.

I guess I better not fly over mountains or water from now on.:rolleyes:



Well if you haven’t considered SE drift down, then you probably shouldn’t

Smooth at FL450
09-18-2018, 07:17 PM
Scroll two posts up. Smooth was making a point about not flying over mountains without drift down data.

No, I was simply responding to another comment.

Smooth at FL450
09-18-2018, 07:19 PM
Driftdown INTO the storm from the top, numbnuts. Not a terrain issue in this case.

This guy gets it...

grnclvrs
09-19-2018, 08:48 AM
No, I was simply responding to another comment.


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