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webecheck
09-19-2018, 09:54 PM
Rumor is 27% this yr and another 17% next yr...just to keep guys from leaving for the airlines. I only say rumor in that I havenít seen someoneís actual check, but the rumor is word of mouth directly from their flying club pilots.

New hires there now coming onboard close to 200k, and in some cases eclipsing it. Plus 17% to follow next yr!

They all got together and told mgmt why people saught employment with the legacies in a very direct and matter of fact manner. While not a threatening letter, it was very clear what the undertone implied. Boeing management immediately paid up!

Few times in this industry have seen environments so ripe for solid contract gains. United is up next, and I hope the MEC knows about this new deal!


galaxy flyer
09-20-2018, 07:23 AM
Boeing SEA or Boeing Corporate in Gary, IN? Or both?

GF

webecheck
09-20-2018, 08:29 AM
I assume all that are flying transport cat equipment the airlines fly, but Boeing Sea is where the info comes from.


galaxy flyer
09-20-2018, 10:58 AM
There is a vast difference in the bargaining power between the two groups, starting with the fact the Boeing guys can leave for UA, but no UA pilots are leaving or will leave for Boeing. The Boeing pilots can drop a resignation and be gone in two weeks. OEMs have traditionally been skimpy payers relying on security as a trade for pay. Lastly, Boeing is likely a picky employer needing better than average skills for production and engineering test work.

UA pilots are unlikely to find employers willing to pay UA rates and those that will are going to bring them in at bottom seniority positions. Seniority takes away a lot of bargaining power especially where the NMB isnít going to release any group to a strike.

Lastly, knowing the private markets, those pay increases and that starting salary isnít that high for the area. My old department has added 25%-35% to starting pay. I wouldnít count on new contracts having those increases,.

Still a great environment while it lasts.

GF

Peacock
09-20-2018, 11:05 AM
There is a vast difference in the bargaining power between the two groups, starting with the fact the Boeing guys can leave for UA, but no UA pilots are leaving or will leave for Boeing. The Boeing pilots can drop a resignation and be gone in two weeks. OEMs have traditionally been skimpy payers relying on security as a trade for pay. Lastly, Boeing is likely a picky employer needing better than average skills for production and engineering test work.

UA pilots are unlikely to find employers willing to pay UA rates and those that will are going to bring them in at bottom seniority positions. Seniority takes away a lot of bargaining power especially where the NMB isnít going to release any group to a strike.

Lastly, knowing the private markets, those pay increases and that starting salary isnít that high for the area. My old department has added 25%-35% to starting pay. I wouldnít count on new contracts having those increases,.

Still a great environment while it lasts.

GF

Yes but as the pool of applicants shrink, airlines will have to compete with each other for qualified people.

iahflyr
09-20-2018, 03:24 PM
Three reasons pilots go fly for Boeing are:
1. They are home most nights
2. They generally get weekends/holidays off
3. The work tends to be more rewarding

Different strokes for different folks. There are easily thousands of retired military pilots who work in the engineering field for a salary around 150k for the same reasons. Money isnít everything. 150-200k is more than enough to live well (yes, even in SEA or other desirable places to live).

If the airlines do become more desirable in terms of money and time off to make up for the short comings (commuting, working nights/weekends/holidays, being gone), then youíll see more of these types go to the airlines.

galaxy flyer
09-20-2018, 04:51 PM
Yes but as the pool of applicants shrink, airlines will have to compete with each other for qualified people.

While somewhat true, the Big 5 or 6 will always have a choice of pilots and marginal differences wonít matter. I predict protracted negotiations and convergence on terms rather than leapfrogging contracts.



Gf



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