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A320bound
09-28-2018, 08:48 PM
Ok guys just a curiosity question about this subject. Is one faster than the other, do the per say take 50% from Envoy, 25% from PSA, and 25% from Piedmont. I'm just curious if they take more from one than the others.

Thanks


Pedro4President
09-29-2018, 05:35 AM
This information is found on the profile pages of each airline. Regardless the information is useless in determining flow time. Attrition is more of an indication of flow time and that is really difficult to forecast.

egl2fdx
09-30-2018, 10:04 AM
Current Flow DOH

Envoy 2007
PDT 2013ish
PSA 2011ish


TransWorld
09-30-2018, 12:48 PM
Current Flow DOH
Envoy 2007
PDT 2013ish
PSA 2011ish

In the next couple of years, the Envoy hire date for flow will advance several years, bringing it about in line with PSA (and approaching PDT). There were not that many pilots hired in 2007-2011 window relative to annual flow numbers.


Also, need to be aware the industry will go through a radial change in the next few years. Projected hiring by the majors, in a few years, will result in an average time at the regionals, as a whole, of 5ish years. So, a flow projection of 6-8 years will become essentially meaningless.

(This assumes the regionals will still have 20,000 pilots in a few years. If things collapse and the majors take over a bunch of the ‘regional’ flying and regional pilot head count drops, all bets are off.)

bigtime209
09-30-2018, 02:02 PM
In the next couple of years, the Envoy hire date for flow will advance several years, bringing it about in line with PSA (and approaching PDT). There were not that many pilots hired in 2007-2011 window relative to annual flow numbers.


Also, need to be aware the industry will go through a radial change in the next few years. Projected hiring by the majors, in a few years, will result in an average time at the regionals, as a whole, of 5ish years. So, a flow projection of 6-8 years will become essentially meaningless.

(This assumes the regionals will still have 20,000 pilots in a few years. If things collapse and the majors take over a bunch of the ‘regional’ flying and regional pilot head count drops, all bets are off.)

If I recall correctly, Envoy catches up to PSA in 2020.

DilsonWic
09-30-2018, 02:41 PM
In the next couple of years, the Envoy hire date for flow will advance several years, bringing it about in line with PSA (and approaching PDT). There were not that many pilots hired in 2007-2011 window relative to annual flow numbers.

Close. There were a lot hired 2006-2008. Then a gap until 2010-2011 when we hired a lot. Then not many from 2012-2015.

In March the flow drop two years as 2008 hires and 2010 hires will be in the same flow class.

And once the 2011 guys flow (roughly 1 year from now) that’s when the company gets the 6 year flow they’ve been touting the last what, 4 years?

TransWorld
09-30-2018, 03:55 PM
Close. There were a lot hired 2006-2008. Then a gap until 2010-2011 when we hired a lot. Then not many from 2012-2015.

In March the flow drop two years as 2008 hires and 2010 hires will be in the same flow class.

And once the 2011 guys flow (roughly 1 year from now) that’s when the company gets the 6 year flow they’ve been touting the last what, 4 years?

Thanks for the update. I was going from memory.

chrisreedrules
10-01-2018, 04:09 AM
If I recall correctly, Envoy catches up to PSA in 2020.

PSA will start flowing 2014 hires by about spring of 2019 and 2015 hires by about spring 2021... If nothing else changes. The 2015 hires flow date numbers may move up a bit (late 2020ish) depending on what management dangles in exchange for PSA accepting PBS etc...

They’ll pull out every stop before they pay us more money. And flow doesn’t really cost them anything. Hence why I think they’ll increase the flow to something similar to Envoy and Piedmont’s language which would put us at around 17-19 /month.

MD-11Loader
10-01-2018, 05:37 AM
PSA will start flowing 2014 hires by about spring of 2019 and 2015 hires by about spring 2021... If nothing else changes. The 2015 hires flow date numbers may move up a bit (late 2020ish) depending on what management dangles in exchange for PSA accepting PBS etc...

They’ll pull out every stop before they pay us more money. And flow doesn’t really cost them anything. Hence why I think they’ll increase the flow to something similar to Envoy and Piedmont’s language which would put us at around 17-19 /month.

Just goes to show that selling out has advantages.

PilotPete4You
10-01-2018, 06:03 AM
Flow saves money for the company on the front end, lower pay and more aggressive work rules. But also on the back end, flow lowers cost as higher payed employees are less common. Flow saves the company money.