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word302
10-03-2018, 11:05 AM
At OO we are fighting for marketing block or better pay (the departure time to the arrival time set by the mainline partner). Currently we are paid our historical block or better which is usually significantly less. We are being told that you guys get paid the same as us. Is that true?


FlytheSky
10-03-2018, 11:14 AM
At OO we are fighting for marketing block or better pay (the departure time to the arrival time set by the mainline partner). Currently we are paid our historical block or better which is usually significantly less. We are being told that you guys get paid the same as us. Is that true?

Compass has always been marketing block or better pay with a 4:00 minimum day pay as well.

word302
10-03-2018, 11:29 AM
Compass has always been marketing block or better pay with a 4:00 minimum day pay as well.

So your legs are guaranteed from scheduled departure to scheduled arrival or actual block flown, whichever is greater?


FlytheSky
10-03-2018, 11:36 AM
So your legs are guaranteed from scheduled departure to scheduled arrival or actual block flown, whichever is greater?

Exactly. For example, if LAX-SFO is blocked 1:30, and we do it in 1:20, we get paid (and credit) for 1:30. If we do it in 1:40, we get paid 1:40 even though it was originally scheduled for 1:30. Each leg is this way for us. Makes it so our trips can sometimes end up paying a fair amount more than they were originally blocked for, but never less.

However, Compass cancellation policy only covers the original trip block value. Say you're on a 4 day trip that's originally blocked for 22 hours. If you've racked up an hour in the first 3 days of a trip by overblocking some legs (ATC delays, waiting for a gate, etc), but underblocking others (you still get paid the original market block) and then a SFO turn cancels, you lose the 3 hours or so of pay that you would have gotten for doing that turn. So instead of getting paid 23 hours for the trip (due to the overblocking on previous flights) you'll simply get the trip guarantee of 22 hours (due to the canceled flight), unless you overblock so much on the rest of the trip to make up for the entire canceled turn (but that's pretty unlikely).

word302
10-03-2018, 11:43 AM
Exactly. For example, if LAX-SFO is blocked 1:30, and we do it in 1:20, we get paid (and credit) for 1:30. If we do it in 1:40, we get paid 1:40 even though it was originally scheduled for 1:30. Each leg is this way for us. Makes it so our trips can sometimes end up paying a fair amount more than they were originally blocked for, but never less.

However, Compass cancellation policy only covers the original trip block value. Say you're on a 4 day trip that's originally blocked for 22 hours. If you've racked up an hour in the first 3 days of a trip by overblocking some legs (ATC delays, waiting for a gate, etc), but underblocking others (you still get paid the original market block) and then a SFO turn cancels, you lose the 3 hours or so of pay that you would have gotten for doing that turn. So instead of getting paid 23 hours for the trip (due to the overblocking on previous flights) you'll simply get the trip guarantee of 22 hours (due to the canceled flight), unless you overblock so much on the rest of the trip to make up for the entire canceled turn (but that's pretty unlikely).
Thanks man. I just want to make sure we're clear. The block on your schedule is set by the partner, not by Compass. In other words the block matches the scheduled departure time to scheduled arrival time. I know I'm getting nit-picky but you'd be surprised how many people have no idea what I'm talking about.
Our cancellation policy is similar, only it's day-by-day guarantee. It's better but it should be leg-by-leg. Here's to hoping we can actually bring the industry up with our next agreement. The offer we have on the table ain't it.

FlytheSky
10-03-2018, 11:47 AM
Thanks man. I just want to make sure we're clear. The block on your schedule is set by the partner, not by Compass. In other words the block matches the scheduled departure time to scheduled arrival time. I know I'm getting nit-picky but you'd be surprised how many people have no idea what I'm talking about.
Our cancellation policy is similar, only it's day-by-day guarantee. It's better but it should be leg-by-leg. Here's to hoping we can actually bring the industry up with our next agreement. The offer we have on the table ain't it.

Yes, block is the scheduled departure to scheduled arrival time on the ticket set by the mainline partner.

Not defending the Compass cancellation policy, but that's what it is. Wish it was leg-by-leg though (I think we can all agree that's what it should be).

word302
10-03-2018, 12:02 PM
Yes, block is the scheduled departure to scheduled arrival time on the ticket set by the mainline partner.

Not defending the Compass cancellation policy, but that's what it is. Wish it was leg-by-leg though (I think we can all agree that's what it should be).

Thanks again man. I think Republic actually gets paid like we do, trying to figure out if there are any others.

sMFer
10-03-2018, 04:15 PM
Thanks again man. I think Republic actually gets paid like we do, trying to figure out if there are any others.No. Republic is block or better. Always has been.

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word302
10-03-2018, 05:08 PM
No. Republic is block or better. Always has been.

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But there is a stipulation in their contract about adjusting block times if they differ more than 7.5% from actual historical block. Do you know how or if that is implemented?

sMFer
10-03-2018, 05:51 PM
Never saw it used and I was there for 6 years. That was in place if over time a route was always coming in severely underblocked, they basically could petition for the block to go down....but ultimately the block time is decided by the mainline partner. But there is a stipulation in their contract about adjusting block times if they differ more than 7.5% from actual historical block. Do you know how or if that is implemented?

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