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Pedro4President
10-06-2018, 04:13 AM
Guys the union just sent out an email hours away from closing the bid and even I didn't know the information they put out. Nor has anyone else said anything about it.

Summary.

Proffer to displace - ONlY allows you to go to an OPEN vacancy that the junior pilot you are volunteering to take their place could hold.

Displacement - No surprise here that you can hold what ever seat you can hold.

My biggest annoyance with out union continues to wait until hours before the close of the bid to put out really useful information.

The email also suggests how to use the contract to optimize pay.


highfarfast
10-06-2018, 04:47 AM
Guys the union just sent out an email hours away from closing the bid and even I didn't know the information they put out. Nor has anyone else said anything about it.

Summary.

Proffer to displace - ONlY allows you to go to an OPEN vacancy that the junior pilot you are volunteering to take their place could hold.

Displacement - No surprise here that you can hold what ever seat you can hold.

My biggest annoyance with out union continues to wait until hours before the close of the bid to put out really useful information.

The email also suggests how to use the contract to optimize pay.

Yep. And the first paragraph on optimizing pay gave me a surprise. Apparently you can only voluntarily seat lock for extra pay if you're force upgraded to different equipment. I guess I'll be headed to the 175.

Lakota
10-06-2018, 05:03 AM
“You must displace into different equipment“ contradicts what the union put out 21 July 18 on their contract compliance email/PDF which stated “If you were 15.G.4’d to a CA status or a current CA displaced from one aircraft to another (still in the left seat) – you are eligible to request a freeze and receive the resulting 5 hours of extra pay each month.”. Showing that an FO displaced to CA (I.e. NFE to NCE) is eligible to volunteer for the training freeze.


highfarfast
10-06-2018, 05:20 AM
“You must displace into different equipment“ contradicts what the union put out 21 July 18 on their contract compliance email/PDF which stated “If you were 15.G.4’d to a CA status or a current CA displaced from one aircraft to another (still in the left seat) – you are eligible to request a freeze and receive the resulting 5 hours of extra pay each month.”. Showing that an FO displaced to CA (I.e. NFE to NCE) is eligible to volunteer for the training freeze.

That's how I understood it and it makes more sense than the latest email. Perhaps it's just poorly worded.

Lakota
10-06-2018, 05:38 AM
Yeah. You don’t have to displace into a different aircraft to be eligible for the training freeze. If you are an FO 15.G.4’d to a CA slot, in the same equipment, you are eligible to volunteer for the training freeze.

E175 Driver
10-06-2018, 05:54 AM
Can I proffer to displace to Ca on the E175? Im really annoyed by this pos jungle jet.

Lakota
10-06-2018, 06:23 AM
If you have no 3P’s, only 3D’s or nothing at all, on your 3*, and you get displaced, you’re eligible for the vol. freeze (so long as you send in the request within 14 days of the award).

Say there’s enough 3P’s, or junior 3D’s, and you don’t get displaced. Then you can proffer to displace (using your seniority if same equipment or the junior pilot seniority of the pilot who would’ve been displaced. So whatever that pilot can hold, you can get.)

So if that pilots seniority is 2000, and the most junior 175 displaced pilot was 1900, then you wouldn’t be awarded the 175. (Someone chime in if this is incorrect)

You can still vol. for the training freeze if you’re awarded a different status due to the proffer to displace. You just won’t get company paid moving expenses.

If you’re a 145 or CRJ pilot and really want the 175, safest bet is to just 3P.

RomeoBravo
10-06-2018, 07:59 AM
Yeah. You don’t have to displace into a different aircraft to be eligible for the training freeze. If you are an FO 15.G.4’d to a CA slot, in the same equipment, you are eligible to volunteer for the training freeze.



This is correct. The union’s email on that topic was slightly incorrect.
Once displaced to a CA seat you are eligible to volunteer for a Training Freeze and that pays you an extra 5 hours/month for the duration of the seat lock.


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cbrpilot
10-06-2018, 10:07 AM
This is correct. The union’s email on that topic was slightly incorrect.
Once displaced to a CA seat you are eligible to volunteer for a Training Freeze and that pays you an extra 5 hours/month for the duration of the seat lock.


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Can you remind me/us how to volunteer for that after this vacancy runs? I'd obviously hate to leave 120 hrs of pay on the table.

Lakota
10-06-2018, 11:58 AM
You have 14 days from the date of the final award to volunteer for a training freeze. Send an “RF 1 VOL” to volunteer for the training freeze.

-Per the contract compliance PDF

RomeoBravo
10-12-2018, 07:35 PM
You have 14 days from the date of the final award to volunteer for a training freeze. Send an “RF 1 VOL” to volunteer for the training freeze.



-Per the contract compliance PDF



I am told that our MEC will send communication reminding the pilot group of how to volunteer, if one is inclined to do so.


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fenix1
10-16-2018, 10:59 PM
“Proferring to displace vs displacement.” Anyone up for using small enough words to explain what this refers to, the difference between the two, and the impact/ramifications of both of them? Thanks in advance to all bone-throwers.

Houpilot2001
10-17-2018, 02:13 AM
“Proferring to displace vs displacement.” Anyone up for using small enough words to explain what this refers to, the difference between the two, and the impact/ramifications of both of them? Thanks in advance to all bone-throwers.

From the union...

"Before we get into anything else, we want to again discuss the possibility of 15.G.4. Every First Officer who meets the FAR minimums to be Captain has the potential to be displaced to Captain either on this bid or the next one, so it's critical you pay close attention.

Here's how it will work:

The Company will award vacancies by via the normal process: preference first, in seniority order.
Unfilled Captain vacancies will be noted (if insufficient preference bids).
Proffers to displace will then be considered for the unfilled Captain vacancies, in seniority order (from top to bottom). Proffers to displace do not incur a training freeze (seatlock) nor will they incur any sort of flow freeze or flow lock.
Once/If all proffers to displace are exhausted and unfilled vacancies remain, the parties will tally the number of unfilled vacancies. Starting at the bottom of the seniority list, the parties will identify a sufficient number of the most junior qualified pilots (working from most junior to most senior) and place them into a pool. The parties will then turn to the most senior pilot in this pool and involuntarily assign him/her to any position that their seniority can hold while respecting displacement preferences."

pat003
10-17-2018, 07:02 AM
When does the extra 5 hours kick in? After the fed ride?

Tellheritwasntu
10-17-2018, 07:06 AM
When does the extra 5 hours kick in? After the fed ride? also another quick question that can go with this. When do the fo retention bonuses stop, upon captain award or fed ride?

Houpilot2001
10-17-2018, 07:39 AM
also another quick question that can go with this. When do the fo retention bonuses stop, upon captain award or fed ride?

Fo bonus stops the day of the award. We should be right near the cut off of 45 or 50 days(cant remember exactly which) from Sept 1 so we should get about 90% of the full bonus in December.

SilentLurker
10-17-2018, 07:59 AM
Fo bonus stops the day of the award. We should be right near the cut off of 45 or 50 days(cant remember exactly which) from Sept 1 so we should get about 90% of the full bonus in December.


FO retention bonus stops before Fed ride????

Houpilot2001
10-17-2018, 08:15 AM
FO retention bonus stops before Fed ride????

Yup, either a fast one got pulled or the union had the wrong info. Originally we were supposed to keep it until the fed ride but it was decided that since we get the CA pay we lose the bonus. At least that's what I've been told by the union and the company.

bigtime209
10-17-2018, 09:15 AM
FO retention bonus stops before Fed ride????

Of course. You're getting CA pay.

ENH017
10-17-2018, 09:19 AM
Yup, either a fast one got pulled or the union had the wrong info. Originally we were supposed to keep it until the fed ride but it was decided that since we get the CA pay we lose the bonus. At least that's what I've been told by the union and the company.

https://i.imgur.com/OVdK8lc.jpg

bigtime209
10-17-2018, 10:50 AM
https://i.imgur.com/OVdK8lc.jpg

There's nothing to grieve. The Standing Vacancy LOA addresses this.

Cyio
10-18-2018, 03:35 AM
I mean lets be fair here, we are now getting paid as a captain even when we are not yet one in practice. I think it would be unreasonable to also expect to keep the FO retention bonus on top of that. I am all for getting our fair share, but that would have been double dipping.

I am not surprised at all that we don't get it and to be honest, would have just expected it to go away once awarded.



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