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Azian
10-07-2018, 11:35 AM
Hey guys, I知 new to this forum and I have a few questions that I believe are case specific. I just turned 28, and I知 completely green to the aviation industry. I currently work in a completely different industry, but I知 looking for a change for my long term goals. I want to to go flight school and get it all knocked out as quickly as possible along with my 1500 flight hours. My long term goals would be to fly for a major internationally. I currently have some college credits, but I do not have an associates or bachelors degree. I have the funds to quit my current job and go back to school for let痴 say about two years without working. I知 looking to go to a flight school in California or Texas as I have family in both and would have little to no rent, thus saving myself quite a bit of rent money. Would you guys recommend I get my associates? Bachelors? Then attend flight school? Or can I do flight school and my associates at the same time? For the schools in California and Texas I was looking at ATP in Riverside, CA; Coast fight training in San Diego, CA or US Aviation Academy in Denton, TX. I was also looking at the college programs like the one orange coast college has. I知 pretty flexible on school choices as well, but preferably in California, Texas, Colorado, or Florida. I壇 like to be competitive when it comes to getting hired, so I知 willing to do whatever I need to do to get there. Long hours and hard work are no problem to me because I work 80-110hrs per week in my current industry. I知 working as much as I can including my off week at work to save up as much money as I can before I quit sometime early next year. Any advice is appreciated and thank you in advance.

Edit: I just ordered 2019 Far/AIM, aviation weather, and Airplane Flying Handbook (Federal Aviation Administration): FAA-H-8083-3B on amazon and will be reading those in my spare time to try and be ahead of the curve.


misterpretzel
10-07-2018, 01:02 PM
If you do come to California, we have insane waits for dpes

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Azian
10-07-2018, 01:39 PM
If you do come to California, we have insane waits for dpes

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Looks like both CA and TX are having issues with that unfortunately. Where in CA are you from?


misterpretzel
10-07-2018, 03:21 PM
Sacramento. Dpes are scheduling for late December/early January right now

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TaylorPilot
10-07-2018, 05:21 PM
Where in Texas are your relatives? We can get a DPE in houston in about 10 days.

Azian
10-07-2018, 05:33 PM
Where in Texas are your relatives? We can get a DPE in houston in about 10 days.

DFW area, so ideally I壇 be going to school around there

Azian
10-07-2018, 05:34 PM
Sacramento. Dpes are scheduling for late December/early January right now

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Oh wow, I guess we値l see after I go to visit a couple schools

TaylorPilot
10-07-2018, 05:40 PM
There is a huge flight school a little north of Dallas called the US Aviation Academy.

Personally, i would get through my cfi quickly as possible.. then start college and build time as a cfi...

Reason being .. if you started at superman speeds, and everything worked perfectly, you'd be 6-8 months from cfi, another 12-14 months of instructing...3 years at a regional before moving on thats almost 5 years before you would need that degree... but no matter what you do, you can't speed up the flying process any more than that, but you can work on school while building time and working for a regional... do as much as you can online...

Azian
10-07-2018, 06:14 PM
There is a huge flight school a little north of Dallas called the US Aviation Academy.

Personally, i would get through my cfi quickly as possible.. then start college and build time as a cfi...

Reason being .. if you started at superman speeds, and everything worked perfectly, you'd be 6-8 months from cfi, another 12-14 months of instructing...3 years at a regional before moving on thats almost 5 years before you would need that degree... but no matter what you do, you can't speed up the flying process any more than that, but you can work on school while building time and working for a regional... do as much as you can online...
USAA is one of the flight schools i mentioned in my post. Wanted to see if anyone had any exp with that school. I figured as long as everything goes right it would be 27-36 months from start to finish hopefully.

TaylorPilot
10-07-2018, 06:30 PM
I don't know about them personally, other than they train allot of foreign nationals...36 months until you are applying at regionals you mean? That seems like a do-able goal.

Azian
10-07-2018, 06:42 PM
I don't know about them personally, other than they train allot of foreign nationals...36 months until you are applying at regionals you mean? That seems like a do-able goal.

Yeah 36 months or so hopefully. I feel like I知 too old to be unemployed for a long period of time, so hopefully this industry is still blowing and going in 3 years.

Cheese7
10-09-2018, 12:11 PM
Hey guys, I知 new to this forum and I have a few questions that I believe are case specific. I just turned 28, and I知 completely green to the aviation industry. I currently work in a completely different industry, but I知 looking for a change for my long term goals. I want to to go flight school and get it all knocked out as quickly as possible along with my 1500 flight hours. My long term goals would be to fly for a major internationally. I currently have some college credits, but I do not have an associates or bachelors degree. I have the funds to quit my current job and go back to school for let痴 say about two years without working. I知 looking to go to a flight school in California or Texas as I have family in both and would have little to no rent, thus saving myself quite a bit of rent money. Would you guys recommend I get my associates? Bachelors? Then attend flight school? Or can I do flight school and my associates at the same time? For the schools in California and Texas I was looking at ATP in Riverside, CA; Coast fight training in San Diego, CA or US Aviation Academy in Denton, TX. I was also looking at the college programs like the one orange coast college has. I知 pretty flexible on school choices as well, but preferably in California, Texas, Colorado, or Florida. I壇 like to be competitive when it comes to getting hired, so I知 willing to do whatever I need to do to get there. Long hours and hard work are no problem to me because I work 80-110hrs per week in my current industry. I知 working as much as I can including my off week at work to save up as much money as I can before I quit sometime early next year. Any advice is appreciated and thank you in advance.

Edit: I just ordered 2019 Far/AIM, aviation weather, and Airplane Flying Handbook (Federal Aviation Administration): FAA-H-8083-3B on amazon and will be reading those in my spare time to try and be ahead of the curve.

It seems the only way to get from 250-500 hours these days is flight instructing, so I would plan to get all your ratings through CFI + CFII and maybe MEI, then flight instruct till at least 500 hours. There's banner towing and aerial surveying, but those are seasonal, and I hear survey work is getting competitive these days anyway, so I would plan on going the flight instructor route.

Do you have an idea of how much you are planning to spend on your ratings? The fastest way possible would be to quit your current job and flight train full time, but most people can't afford to do this without taking on lots of debt. You say you have enough funds to go back to school for 2 years without working. This amount of money could vary considerably depending on the school and your living expenses, but I would assume it would be enough to get all your ratings through CFI and CFII ($30k-$70k depending on many factors).

It's a myth that accelerated flight schools can get you your ratings faster or cheaper than a "non-accelerated" part 61 school. If you pair up with a good instructor and a good Part 61 school, you can get your ratings just as fast, and likely cheaper than the big box flight schools. If you are free from attachments (family, house, job, etc.), which it sounds like you are, then you are free to move geographically to find an ideal instructor/school match.

I've had greater success with schools/instructors that don't advertise heavily on the internet. I would figure out what area you want to live in while training, then call a couple DPE's from that area, and explain that you are looking for a good instructor in the area, and you were wondering which instructors are sending them the most prepared students. I know this might sound crazy, but it worked for me. YMMV. Stay away from instructors who are JUST building time and don't have a passion for your success. I'm not saying all flight instructors who are in it to build time are bad, some are good, and the recency of their learning will actually help them teach it to you. It will be pretty easy to spot the one's that don't really care about your success - don't waste your time and money on them. The nice thing about small Part 61 schools is that you can fire your instructor at any time, no strings attached. I've parted ways with 2 instructors in my training, and am very glad I did, as I found 2 others to replace them with, both of which were amazing instructors.

I wouldn't worry about a college degree until you are a First Officer at a regional. You can get an online bachelors while you are building turbine time. You might want to talk to somebody in HR at a major, but from what I hear, major airlines are not discriminating against online degrees. I would look at a BS in Aeronautics, possible from Embry Riddle Worldwide (I know a couple people who did this and had good things to say about it), but I wouldn't waste time with college until you are flying at a regional.

Also, Carl Valeri's Aviation Careers Podcast was really helpful for me when I was at your stage in my training.

Don't get too tied up in the personalities on this forum. There are a lot of Negative Nellie's on here. Stay positive and keep moving forward.

Good luck!

Azian
10-14-2018, 08:21 PM
It seems the only way to get from 250-500 hours these days is flight instructing, so I would plan to get all your ratings through CFI + CFII and maybe MEI, then flight instruct till at least 500 hours. There's banner towing and aerial surveying, but those are seasonal, and I hear survey work is getting competitive these days anyway, so I would plan on going the flight instructor route.

Do you have an idea of how much you are planning to spend on your ratings? The fastest way possible would be to quit your current job and flight train full time, but most people can't afford to do this without taking on lots of debt. You say you have enough funds to go back to school for 2 years without working. This amount of money could vary considerably depending on the school and your living expenses, but I would assume it would be enough to get all your ratings through CFI and CFII ($30k-$70k depending on many factors).

It's a myth that accelerated flight schools can get you your ratings faster or cheaper than a "non-accelerated" part 61 school. If you pair up with a good instructor and a good Part 61 school, you can get your ratings just as fast, and likely cheaper than the big box flight schools. If you are free from attachments (family, house, job, etc.), which it sounds like you are, then you are free to move geographically to find an ideal instructor/school match.

I've had greater success with schools/instructors that don't advertise heavily on the internet. I would figure out what area you want to live in while training, then call a couple DPE's from that area, and explain that you are looking for a good instructor in the area, and you were wondering which instructors are sending them the most prepared students. I know this might sound crazy, but it worked for me. YMMV. Stay away from instructors who are JUST building time and don't have a passion for your success. I'm not saying all flight instructors who are in it to build time are bad, some are good, and the recency of their learning will actually help them teach it to you. It will be pretty easy to spot the one's that don't really care about your success - don't waste your time and money on them. The nice thing about small Part 61 schools is that you can fire your instructor at any time, no strings attached. I've parted ways with 2 instructors in my training, and am very glad I did, as I found 2 others to replace them with, both of which were amazing instructors.

I wouldn't worry about a college degree until you are a First Officer at a regional. You can get an online bachelors while you are building turbine time. You might want to talk to somebody in HR at a major, but from what I hear, major airlines are not discriminating against online degrees. I would look at a BS in Aeronautics, possible from Embry Riddle Worldwide (I know a couple people who did this and had good things to say about it), but I wouldn't waste time with college until you are flying at a regional.

Also, Carl Valeri's Aviation Careers Podcast was really helpful for me when I was at your stage in my training.

Don't get too tied up in the personalities on this forum. There are a lot of Negative Nellie's on here. Stay positive and keep moving forward.

Good luck!

Thanks for the very informative post! I just booked my introductory flight with coast flight school in San Diego!

Cheese7
10-15-2018, 01:53 PM
Thanks for the very informative post! I just booked my introductory flight with coast flight school in San Diego!

Awesome! I know a guy who did his training there and had really good things to say about them.

Azian
10-19-2018, 03:06 PM
Awesome! I know a guy who did his training there and had really good things to say about them.

Booked another one the same week with Santa Monica flyers as well!



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