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P Owed Captain
10-11-2018, 08:59 AM
Regarding trip D5534, on the last day, there is no flying, and they DH you back to base at almost 6 p.m.! What is the point of making you sit around Amarillo all day if they're not utilizing you?? What's the reasoning this time? I'll be interested in hearing about it!


MagPBS
10-11-2018, 10:19 AM
Yet again this took 3 minutes to figure out and has nothing to do with my position, all done with the aa website.

The pairing in question starts on Monday the 19th.
That means the day in question is Thursday the 22nd.

What's Thursday the 22nd? Oh yea, Thanksgiving.
One quick look at Aa.com shows a 5a, 8a and 10:30a. None of which you are legal for with a midnight arrival. Next flight out? The 4:38 dh that the pairing has.

MagPBS
10-11-2018, 10:21 AM
I have to ask, what's your endgame inall this. You sure like to get confrontational about pairing stuff that all have logical, real world answers to why they are the way they are. And all can be figured out by spending five minutes on the aa website.


calmwinds
10-11-2018, 10:22 AM
Yet again this took 3 minutes to figure out and has nothing to do with my position, all done with the aa website.

The pairing in question starts on Monday the 19th.
That means the day in question is Thursday the 22nd.

What's Thursday the 22nd? Oh yea, Thanksgiving.
One quick look at Aa.com shows a 5a, 8a and 10:30a. None of which you are legal for with a midnight arrival. Next flight out? The 4:38 dh that the pairing has.

I continue to be amazed that the pilots think Mesa does this intentionally. We fly what we are given to fly and we have to stay legal doing it.

CaseTractor
10-11-2018, 10:48 AM
Will CS release you from the deadhead so you could jumpseat back on the 5am? Or will they hang on to you in case they want you rested for an assignment on return? Guess it doesnít hurt to ask.

20sx
10-11-2018, 11:39 AM
Will CS release you from the deadhead so you could jumpseat back on the 5am? Or will they hang on to you in case they want you rested for an assignment on return? Guess it doesnít hurt to ask.

If it's not a reserve assignment, by the contract you can be released from the deadhead with full pay.

CaseTractor
10-11-2018, 06:29 PM
If it's not a reserve assignment, by the contract you can be released from the deadhead with full pay.

So why doesn't the OP just request this course of action? I am missing the problem I guess. Flights could be full, that's bad, but DH's require rest by the book.

Sennant
10-12-2018, 01:34 AM
So why doesn't the OP just request this course of action? I am missing the problem I guess. Flights could be full, that's bad, but DH's require rest by the book.

Because heís trying to stir up trouble that isnít there.

No Land 3
10-12-2018, 03:07 AM
I'd go home

rickair7777
10-12-2018, 05:02 AM
There's no legal requirement that you have rest before a deadhead. There's no legal requirement that you have rest after 121 flying. You only need rest BEFORE 121 flying.

If they might use you on reserve (or Junior man) after the deadhead, then you would need the rest. Maybe they do that because it doesn't cost anything to make you sit at the hotel, and it keeps their options open?

P Owed Captain
10-12-2018, 08:14 AM
There's no legal requirement that you have rest before a deadhead. ?

BINGO! Mag should know that!

Tpinks
10-12-2018, 03:40 PM
So why doesn't the OP just request this course of action? I am missing the problem I guess. Flights could be full, that's bad, but DH's require rest by the book.

Per regulations, you do not have to have required rest to take a DH as it's not a FDP. Now if your contract says that you will probably SOL in trying to get them to dead head you out early.

I know at Republic, our company has changed DH's at request to earlier flights that did not meet legal rest requirements. This was after the last day canceled the night before, due to a snow storm coming in and all flights that would have met legal definitions being canceled.

pangolin
10-12-2018, 05:19 PM
There's no legal requirement that you have rest before a deadhead. There's no legal requirement that you have rest after 121 flying. You only need rest BEFORE 121 flying.

If they might use you on reserve (or Junior man) after the deadhead, then you would need the rest. Maybe they do that because it doesn't cost anything to make you sit at the hotel, and it keeps their options open?

Rest before a deadhead May be required under certain circumstances.

117.3, deadhead transportation that is followed by a flight segment without an intervening rest period is part of an FDP and is subject to the FDP limits in Tables B and C. All other deadhead transportation is not part of an FDP and is not subject to any limits under part 117.

P Owed Captain
10-13-2018, 03:45 AM
Rest before a deadhead May be required under certain circumstances.

117.3, deadhead transportation that is followed by a flight segment without an intervening rest period is part of an FDP and is subject to the FDP limits in Tables B and C. All other deadhead transportation is not part of an FDP and is not subject to any limits under part 117.

Right, but the trip I'm referring to has a DH on the last day with no other flying being done.

pangolin
10-13-2018, 11:46 AM
Right, but the trip I'm referring to has a DH on the last day with no other flying being done.

I understand but I didn't want the misinformation about deadhead and FDP to stand.

Were I you I would look for these and bid them specifically and then just drop the deadhead - by calling CS an hour before it's departure. There's a procedure for it in the contract. You still get paid for it.