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acam
10-22-2018, 03:04 AM
How much can a first-year CRJ FO can expect to fly their first year? I know there are multiple factors affecting this, but what's the ballpark?


chitolin
10-22-2018, 05:55 AM
How much can a first-year CRJ FO can expect to fly their first year? I know there are multiple factors affecting this, but what's the ballpark?

353.3 hrs ish!
:D

chitolin
10-22-2018, 05:58 AM
How much can a first-year CRJ FO can expect to fly their first year? I know there are multiple factors affecting this, but what's the ballpark?

Just kidding.
I'm on the 175 and when I started there were at some point 80 of us on reserve. Flew 319 hours on my first year. CRJ might get you a line way sooner, you can Rank up to 70-90 hrs / month easily


word302
10-22-2018, 06:09 AM
With training you’re probably looking at 500 to 600 your first year.

Skyhawk121
10-22-2018, 08:01 AM
On the CRJ you can probably do better if you watch open time and pick up trips. I did a lot of that my first year here and made considerably more than people I went through class with. It just depends on if you want to do extra work to make the extra.

nowkk211
10-22-2018, 01:11 PM
I started ground school in March 2017, finished sim in May. One month wait for IOE, was able to rack up 400 hours including 2 months on reserve. (DTW CRJ at the time)

evilbert
10-22-2018, 02:24 PM
Started ground in late December finished IOE in early April, ive blocked 530 since then. 2 months reserve during summer.

KingChicken
10-22-2018, 02:29 PM
13 Months, 730 hours. IOE started Dec. 2 2017.

flytight
10-23-2018, 09:12 AM
400 hours in one and a half months of reserve and 4 months of a line. CRJ. Havenít dropped much, pick up here and there.

hawk21
10-23-2018, 04:26 PM
Havenít dropped much, pick up here and there.


Because the days of dropping trips are gone.

amcnd
10-23-2018, 05:07 PM
Because the days of dropping ďCRJĒtrips are gone. Until late 2019

Fixed it for you.....

threeighteen
10-23-2018, 11:09 PM
on the CRJ 1000+ hours within 12 months of finishing IOE is still doable depending on domicile choice and whether or not you want to work on your days off.

On the other hand I know FOs that have been here 3 years and don't have 500hrs...

Bravix
10-24-2018, 04:40 AM
on the CRJ 1000+ hours within 12 months of finishing IOE is still doable depending on domicile choice and whether or not you want to work on your days off.

On the other hand I know FOs that have been here 3 years and don't have 500hrs...

I certainly hope that's 1000+ hours of credit and not block lol.

I think I've done about 850 or so hours in the last year. That's maybe a year off IOE? Would be higher if it wasn't for multiple fatigue calls, trading into lower block trips to get days off, if I picked up more. Open time, delays causing canceled legs, etc.

savedbythevnav
10-24-2018, 04:49 PM
ER7 FO

YTD block is 505 hours and counting. Online since early spring. (So about 8 months)

I block close to 100 hours a month, by choice. (404: Life Not Found)

My awarded bid is usually 87 hours credit and 14-15 off. Usually about 70-75 block.

Redbeard
10-26-2018, 02:08 PM
How quick can a new hire bid for and get LAX as base? I don't really care what airframe, more interested in that base.

(Not hired yet just putting out feelers)

savedbythevnav
10-27-2018, 03:10 PM
How quick can a new hire bid for and get LAX as base? I don't really care what airframe, more interested in that base.

(Not hired yet just putting out feelers)

Most junior LAX CRJ FO hired 04/2018

Most junior LAX ER7 FO hired 01/2018

V1Rot8t
10-29-2018, 03:33 PM
If you went ERJ and want ORD as base, how long are you looking at reserve, could I hold ORD out of training, and how much flying could I expect?

threeighteen
10-29-2018, 09:56 PM
I certainly hope that's 1000+ hours of credit and not block lol.

I think I've done about 850 or so hours in the last year. That's maybe a year off IOE? Would be higher if it wasn't for multiple fatigue calls, trading into lower block trips to get days off, if I picked up more. Open time, delays causing canceled legs, etc.

nope, 1000 block in 12 months is only 83hrs block/month. not fatiguing at all. even 100 hours block/month is doable if you bid right and are careful about what you pick up. or you can go to the ERJ and rot away in a crashpad.

WesternSkies
10-29-2018, 10:28 PM
nope, 1000 block in 12 months is only 83hrs block/month. not fatiguing at all. even 100 hours block/month is doable if you bid right and are careful about what you pick up. or you can go to the ERJ and rot away in a crashpad.

1000+ block in 12 months...are you playing dumb?

word302
10-30-2018, 09:20 AM
1000+ block in 12 months...are you playing dumb?

That's not what he said.

WesternSkies
10-30-2018, 09:30 AM
on the CRJ 1000+ hours within 12 months of finishing IOE is still doable depending on domicile choice and whether or not you want to work on your days off.

On the other hand I know FOs that have been here 3 years and don't have 500hrs...

Ok word302 .

word302
10-30-2018, 03:35 PM
Ok word302 .

LOL. Missed that. Yes, he must be playing dumb.

blindfayth
11-01-2018, 08:03 AM
If you went ERJ and want ORD as base, how long are you looking at reserve, could I hold ORD out of training, and how much flying could I expect?

I would like to know this as well.

misterpretzel
11-01-2018, 10:16 AM
I would like to know this as well.Seniorities are on the website so that at least answers one of the questions. Reserve is probably really short too.

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blindfayth
11-01-2018, 11:05 AM
Seniorities are on the website so that at least answers one of the questions. Reserve is probably really short too.

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Mostly curious about the length of reserve there as an E175 FO. I don't think that's listed on the website. Not sure where else to look.

V1Rot8t
11-01-2018, 11:14 AM
Mostly curious about the length of reserve there as an E175 FO. I don't think that's listed on the website. Not sure where else to look.

I've heard new hires expect up to 2-3 months RSV on ERJ in the winter-early spring but not sure if this is accurate or how it compares to CRJ... probably just a moving target. I still wonder how the block hours available to junior/new hires compare at ORD on ERJ vs CRJ. And how days off compare between airframes at ORD....

FlyingAlly
11-04-2018, 08:44 AM
so from I've read on other threads, ORD is the place to be for building lots of time in the CRJ?

Erj135dude
11-04-2018, 02:22 PM
It seems like DEN is pretty big too. I'd imagine you can fly quite a bit there.

zondaracer
11-04-2018, 09:31 PM
It seems like DEN is pretty big too. I'd imagine you can fly quite a bit there.

I have friends who are able to hit their max 1000 hours in 365 days in Denver.

V22Plopter
11-04-2018, 11:48 PM
Any of you guys part of the Cadet program prior?

Sculprit
11-05-2018, 10:23 AM
Any of you guys part of the Cadet program prior?

What would you like to know?

V22Plopter
11-05-2018, 08:16 PM
Someone PMíd me. I was hoping cadet would help your pilot seniority but itís more like just benefit seniority..

Was hoping I could be a cadet for a year. Get hired and go to a domicile like DOH+9mo. Appears not. Not a true early seniority program like say GOJET/TSA

word302
11-05-2018, 09:16 PM
Someone PMíd me. I was hoping cadet would help your pilot seniority but itís more like just benefit seniority..

Was hoping I could be a cadet for a year. Get hired and go to a domicile like DOH+9mo. Appears not. Not a true early seniority program like say GOJET/TSA

If anyone is giving out seniority dates to people who don't work there, that's a giant problem. What you are asking for is to jump ahead of people who are already working for the company. You may want to think hard about that attitude.

V22Plopter
11-05-2018, 09:46 PM
It really comes down to how they advertise on website. Take a look at GoJet/TSAs programs. These things exist. Just like the experience credit...

Rotor2prop
11-06-2018, 01:35 AM
It really comes down to how they advertise on website. Take a look at GoJet/TSAs programs. These things exist. Just like the experience credit...


The TSA program requires you to go to indoc to start seniority. You only get 90 days of seniority before you have to be in ground school. If you donít make it by then itís still just 90 days on a rolling scale. Now one thing that Iíve seen people get confused about is the difference between seniority and longevity. Most of the rotor programs and cadet programs let you build longevity with the company while in the program but not seniority.

An example: If youíre in a cadet program for 9 months and training for 3 months it is possible to hit the line on year two pay but your seniority will be based on the day you went to indoc or 90 days whichever is closer.

word302
11-06-2018, 07:46 AM
It really comes down to how they advertise on website. Take a look at GoJet/TSAs programs. These things exist. Just like the experience credit...

My point is that seniority is the only thing that is sacred at the airlines. Complaining to anyone that you can't leapfrog the line is going to get you labeled something you don't want to be. Just sayin'.

V22Plopter
11-06-2018, 08:01 AM
The TSA program requires you to go to indoc to start seniority. You only get 90 days of seniority before you have to be in ground school. If you donít make it by then itís still just 90 days on a rolling scale. Now one thing that Iíve seen people get confused about is the difference between seniority and longevity. Most of the rotor programs and cadet programs let you build longevity with the company while in the program but not seniority.

An example: If youíre in a cadet program for 9 months and training for 3 months it is possible to hit the line on year two pay but your seniority will be based on the day you went to indoc or 90 days whichever is closer.

Is the soft landing Sky west offfers pilots seniority or longevity?

Sculprit
11-06-2018, 08:07 AM
Is the soft landing Sky west offfers pilots seniority or longevity?

Seniority in the sense of pay scale. So a 5 year ExpressJet pilot could come over to OO and be paid year 5 pay, but their bidding seniority would start at the bottom.

bronc
11-06-2018, 08:31 AM
Seniority in the sense of pay scale. So a 5 year ExpressJet pilot could come over to OO and be paid year 5 pay, but their bidding seniority would start at the bottom.

So thatd be longevity

V22Plopter
11-06-2018, 09:00 AM
Thanks gents!
As word302 said: seniority is sacred!

Erj135dude
11-06-2018, 09:02 AM
Does someone know if the new contract includes a single occupancy room? :D

jpso
11-06-2018, 10:55 AM
Does someone know if the new contract includes a single occupancy room? :D

It's not a new contract. Just an amendment to policy regarding pay/bonus. Hotel is still double occupancy in training. It's an extended stay style room with the "living area" being replaced by a queen bed. Get to the room before your room mate and you won't have to deal with getting the "common area" bedroom; you can be the lucky one that gets some privacy.

bradthepilot
11-06-2018, 02:04 PM
It's not a new contract. Just an amendment to policy regarding pay/bonus. Hotel is still double occupancy in training. It's an extended stay style room with the "living area" being replaced by a queen bed. Get to the room before your room mate and you won't have to deal with getting the "common area" bedroom; you can be the lucky one that gets some privacy.

The flip side that I haven't seen discussed to this is that, at least in Salt Lake, everyone got single occupancy rooms before sims (about three weeks in, give or take), and a number of our class had single rooms the entire time. A single room the whole time would have been better, but it wasn't a make-or-break thing for me. YMMV.

MrFriendly7
11-06-2018, 02:09 PM
How many hrs can I expect first year on the ERJ if based in LGA.. New hire. Bad move?

baronbvp
11-08-2018, 08:01 AM
I have an interview soon and am wondering what the path and timing would be to be an ERJ FO in SAN? Recruiter said it wasn't as senior as other bases like LAX and SEA. I'm assuming I'd have to sit reserve at ORD for some months and then maybe a line there before I could move west.

word302
11-08-2018, 08:04 AM
I have an interview soon and am wondering what the path and timing would be to be an ERJ FO in SAN? Recruiter said it wasn't as senior as other bases like LAX and SEA. I'm assuming I'd have to sit reserve at ORD for some months and then maybe a line there before I could move west.

It's always a moving target. SAN is supposed to see some growth, so if your timing works out, you could get it right out of training. If you plan for a few months in ORD you won't be disappointed.

baronbvp
11-08-2018, 08:10 AM
Awesome, thanks.

jpso
11-08-2018, 08:28 AM
The flip side that I haven't seen discussed to this is that, at least in Salt Lake, everyone got single occupancy rooms before sims (about three weeks in, give or take), and a number of our class had single rooms the entire time. A single room the whole time would have been better, but it wasn't a make-or-break thing for me. YMMV.

Yes, some did have the luxury of single occupancy; not sure how you and Dave managed that. I wasn't so lucky.

bradthepilot
11-08-2018, 11:34 AM
Yes, some did have the luxury of single occupancy; not sure how you and Dave managed that. I wasn't so lucky.

Dave succeeded, but I didn't - but it wasn't bad. I think Dave, Brett, and Doug had singles for sure. There might have been one or two others as well.



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