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rswitz
10-24-2018, 07:17 PM
I was awarded a line but they are trying to add AM reserve on an off day and a day that I originally had a day trip on.

Found out when I tried to get on skedplus and it wants me to acknowledge it.

Can they do this? Do I have to acknowledge it?

Thanks


rickair7777
10-24-2018, 08:00 PM
Sounds like you had a composite line, where PBS gave you some trips but not enough to get you to min guarantee. It's usually a hint if you're very junior and you get a line with like 19 days off...

In that case they will add reserve days where they need to to get you to the min credit.

When you get your line, if it doesn't add up to min credit, then email CS before the 24th. and let them know where you prefer that they add RSV days. Maybe they will, maybe they won't.

PBS may have given you a day off in your composite line, but the schedulers don't consider your bid when they add the RSV days.

rswitz
10-24-2018, 11:43 PM
Sounds like you had a composite line, where PBS gave you some trips but not enough to get you to min guarantee. It's usually a hint if you're very junior and you get a line with like 19 days off...

In that case they will add reserve days where they need to to get you to the min credit.

When you get your line, if it doesn't add up to min credit, then email CS before the 24th. and let them know where you prefer that they add RSV days. Maybe they will, maybe they won't.

PBS may have given you a day off in your composite line, but the schedulers don't consider your bid when they add the RSV days.

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. How long are they able to add reserve days? In other words, when can I consider my off days to be truly off days?


Simpsons
10-25-2018, 12:56 AM
If you’re an FO the you’ll most likely have a full line next month with all the progression. If you’re at a junior base that is

amcnd
10-25-2018, 06:03 AM
Look at the amount of “guaranteed lines” in your base. If you fall under that. They won’t add RES days tonget you to 76hrs..

>sowl>pbs>bid info (right hand side)

rickair7777
10-25-2018, 06:10 AM
Look at the amount of “guaranteed lines” in your base. If you fall under that. They won’t add RES days tonget you to 76hrs..

>sowl>pbs>bid info (right hand side)

That happens, but it's rare to get a guaranteed line that they can't get to 76 and then have to pay you. I think it happened to me once.

rickair7777
10-25-2018, 06:11 AM
Ah, thanks for clearing that up. How long are they able to add reserve days? In other words, when can I consider my off days to be truly off days?

They should add the days all at once, so what you see on the 24th is what you get. If you have a preference, let them know well before the 24th.

amcnd
10-25-2018, 06:22 AM
That happens, but it's rare to get a guaranteed line that they can't get to 76 and then have to pay you. I think it happened to me once.

Pay you?? Your never guaranteed 76hrs as a guaranteed line holder... look at the bid transparency. Some senior ERJ guys getting 58-70hr tons of time off lines

rickair7777
10-25-2018, 06:56 AM
Pay you?? Your never guaranteed 76hrs as a guaranteed line holder... look at the bid transparency. Some senior ERJ guys getting 58-70hr tons of time off lines

I'm pretty sure everybody is guaranteed 76. You can bid down and do it to yourself if you like (and PBS can accommodate). I did that as often as I could.

But if YOU didn't specify that PBS could go below the min, AND you're a guaranteed lineholder they would have to pay you. Happened to me once, had some pre-assignments and PBS couldn't solve the puzzle to get me to guarantee (small base) so they just paid me... a couple days with some weird code for "meet guarantee" were put on my schedule.

Utah
10-25-2018, 06:57 AM
Pay you?? Your never guaranteed 76hrs as a guaranteed line holder... look at the bid transparency. Some senior ERJ guys getting 58-70hr tons of time off lines

That's because they are waiving the default minimum credit and bidding for the low hours. If you don't do that and are awarded less than minimum AND are a guaranteed line holder you are paid minimum without working it.

Outside of being a guaranteed line holder it is a composite line and reserve days are added to meet minimum guarantee.

Tippy
10-25-2018, 07:06 AM
Correct, if you are guaranteed line holder (not target) and your line award is less than 75 and you did not tell PBS to waive minimum guarantee they will make up the difference. Also happened to me once, it was only like 30 minutes of pay but it will be made up on your second pay period check. the 7th of the following month.

edit: sorry, 75 hrs for line holders, 75:36 for reserve

word302
10-25-2018, 07:07 AM
Guarantee is 75 hours for line holders, 75.6 for reserves. I don’t know where everyone’s getting 76 from. If you don't waive the default min credit and are awarded less than 75 hours you will be paid the difference to bring you up to 75 (rare, as Rick said).

rickair7777
10-25-2018, 08:28 AM
Guarantee is 75 hours for line holders, 75.6 for reserves. I don’t know where everyone’s getting 76 from. If you don't waive the default min credit and are awarded less than 75 hours you will be paid the difference to bring you up to 75 (rare, as Rick said).

I'm sure you're correct on 75, my memory fades.

Utah
10-25-2018, 08:31 AM
Guarantee is 75 hours for line holders, 75.6 for reserves. I don’t know where everyone’s getting 76 from. If you don't waive the default min credit and are awarded less than 75 hours you will be paid the difference to bring you up to 75 (rare, as Rick said).

When MDG was 4.0 hours it was 76. When it went up to 4:12 they put it back at 75.

word302
10-25-2018, 09:59 AM
When MDG was 4.0 hours it was 76. When it went up to 4:12 they put it back at 75.

Lol. Apparently my mind fades too. Sounds vaguely familiar.

EngineOut
10-25-2018, 06:51 PM
Lol. Apparently my mind fades too. Sounds vaguely familiar.

Reserves got another guaranteed day off!

word302
10-25-2018, 07:37 PM
Reserves got another guaranteed day off!

Yes. Filler.

rswitz
10-26-2018, 09:41 AM
And guys just to clarify a mistake in my original post, I was off the 20th and 21st. Those days were changed to reserve. Day trip on the 22nd.

What's weird is that I'm within the targeted line holders and still got a composite.

rickair7777
10-26-2018, 10:31 AM
And guys just to clarify a mistake in my original post, I was off the 20th and 21st. Those days were changed to reserve. Day trip on the 22nd.

What's weird is that I'm within the targeted line holders and still got a composite.

Targeted is just that "targeted".

A certain number will be guaranteed line holders. A few more below them will be "targeted" line holders, but that's not guaranteed, more for your planning purposes. Usually a pretty safe bet, but if seniors plus up their lines more than anticipated, you could end up composite or even reserve.

word302
10-26-2018, 11:43 AM
And guys just to clarify a mistake in my original post, I was off the 20th and 21st. Those days were changed to reserve. Day trip on the 22nd.

What's weird is that I'm within the targeted line holders and still got a composite.

Targeted line holders are the ones who get composites for the most part.

rswitz
10-27-2018, 03:43 AM
Gotcha, thanks