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GreenSuiter
10-31-2018, 08:05 AM
This is for new FOs on RSV.

I have an offer from Trans States. Before I decide Iíd like to hear from the newly hired FOs out there that are on RSV.

1. What is RSV like? Iíd like the good, bad, indifferent perspective.
2. I will have to commute. What is the experience like commuting to RSV?
3. How long have you been told you will be on RSV?
4. How many monthly flying hrs have you flown while on RSV?

Thanks!


Tyrion
10-31-2018, 11:27 AM
Unless something has dramatically changed at TSA in recent months, FO's don't spend time on reserve. You'll get a line fast. You'll get junior assignments fast. You'll get 1000 hours fast. Upgrade?... not so fast.

C37AFE
10-31-2018, 06:50 PM
Yeah seems like a lot of the CA are lifers and arenít leaving. Some stagnation there....think I did first month on reserve then held a line


thejetpilot
10-31-2018, 09:29 PM
Yeah seems like a lot of the CA are lifers and arenít leaving. Some stagnation there....think I did first month on reserve then held a line


I was told that the upgraded times were gonna go down during my interview and that was back a couple of months ago.

C37AFE
11-01-2018, 03:47 AM
So was everyone else....probably told you MRJ will be here next year also

havick206
11-01-2018, 06:28 AM
I was told that the upgraded times were gonna go down during my interview and that was back a couple of months ago.

Do you believe everything a recruiter tells you?

What are line pilots saying?

Rmk1991
11-01-2018, 12:11 PM
Do you believe everything a recruiter tells you?

What are line pilots saying?

Iím a line CA here. Upgrades picked up dramatically. Theyíll continue through the winter. Classes are 10+. Upgrade is at about 18 months right now with the last award. Theyíre almost out of FOs to upgrade that are qualified.

thejetpilot
11-01-2018, 05:34 PM
Do you believe everything a recruiter tells you?

What are line pilots saying?

I take it with a grain of salt. I compare answers from various sources

m20cmark21
11-01-2018, 08:59 PM
Unless something has dramatically changed at TSA in recent months, FO's don't spend time on reserve. You'll get a line fast. You'll get junior assignments fast. You'll get 1000 hours fast. Upgrade?... not so fast.

I was told that the upgraded times were gonna go down during my interview and that was back a couple of months ago.

Latest upgrade class has an 18-month FO... come February, word is they won't have enough to upgrade and may consider lowering the requirements. Lots of CAs leaving and the attrition is back to mostly the CA side since the DCA/IAD shakeup, and all the FOs making laterals.

RSV time is minimal, if at all. You have airport RSV (8-hour shift with a 10-minute callout), Short Call (2-hour callout), and Long Call (12-hour callout). Historically, Winter season is slow for flying and Summer is busy. By the time a current new-hire gets through class and IOE, things will be ramping back into the busy season.

Tyrion
11-02-2018, 10:55 AM
Lots of CAs leaving and the attrition is back to mostly the CA side since the DCA/IAD shakeup, and all the FOs making laterals.

That would be an example of something dramatically changing.

m20cmark21
11-02-2018, 06:51 PM
That would be an example of something dramatically changing.

Definitely for the better for those out west. Really too bad for all of those who came for DCA, IAD, or RDU...

Loss of AA flying has allowed route expansion for UAL, more routes out of DEN coming soon. Unofficial rumor is 100+ daily departures out of DEN by early 2019.

salhnl
05-25-2019, 10:39 AM
Unless something has dramatically changed at TSA in recent months, FO's don't spend time on reserve. You'll get a line fast. You'll get junior assignments fast. You'll get 1000 hours fast. Upgrade?... not so fast.
So if you are easily flying 80-100 hours a month you can easily be at 1000 Turbine between one year and one and a half year? If this is the case this is fast to get to the minimum hours a major wants...?

m20cmark21
05-25-2019, 02:07 PM
So if you are easily flying 80-100 hours a month you can easily be at 1000 Turbine between one year and one and a half year? If this is the case this is fast to get to the minimum hours a major wants...?

Yes, exactly. Pretty much come here for a year, year-and-a-half at most, and you will likely have every single Legacy carrier calling/emailing/begging for you to come work for them...

salhnl
05-26-2019, 05:00 AM
Unless something has dramatically changed at TSA in recent months, FO's don't spend time on reserve. You'll get a line fast. You'll get junior assignments fast. You'll get 1000 hours fast. Upgrade?... not so fast.
So forgive my ignorance, but if this the case why is it that pilots are not jumping into this opportunity? Meaning if the end goal is to get to a major as fast as possible?
So hypothetically: CFI to 1500 (1.5 yrs) - TSA (minimal reserve, quick line, junior manning :( , no CA upgrade, but 1000 hours in 1.5 years) - eligible to apply to majors and legacy carriers. What am I missing here?

flynd94
05-26-2019, 06:09 AM
So forgive my ignorance, but if this the case why is it that pilots are not jumping into this opportunity? Meaning if the end goal is to get to a major as fast as possible?
So hypothetically: CFI to 1500 (1.5 yrs) - TSA (minimal reserve, quick line, junior manning :( , no CA upgrade, but 1000 hours in 1.5 years) - eligible to apply to majors and legacy carriers. What am I missing here?

Thatís the million $$ question. Itís easy to glean info why...

WildBlue025
05-26-2019, 05:16 PM
Yes, exactly. Pretty much come here for a year, year-and-a-half at most, and you will likely have every single Legacy carrier calling/emailing/begging for you to come work for them...

Can confirm. Been here 4 years and have had to turn down United, FedEx, and Delta (twice). Waiting on my MRJ type before I really start aggressively applying though......

legobrains
05-27-2019, 07:56 AM
So forgive my ignorance, but if this the case why is it that pilots are not jumping into this opportunity? Meaning if the end goal is to get to a major as fast as possible?
So hypothetically: CFI to 1500 (1.5 yrs) - TSA (minimal reserve, quick line, junior manning :( , no CA upgrade, but 1000 hours in 1.5 years) - eligible to apply to majors and legacy carriers. What am I missing here?

You got to find out what is best for you.

Some people report reaching burnout flying so often, no time at home with the family, having to cancel plans on days off and being told they have to work, flying older Aircraft and dealing with maintenance issues, lack of maintenance personnel (that industry is short staffed too) late flights, fighting for higher of block pay or other pay issues that your entitled too, low employee moral, trying to keep your bonus money after you upgrade to cap, one of the lowest paying hourly rates among regionals, possibility of them closing an entire base that you are stationed in with little notice (IAD DCU) (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/trans-states-airlines/113585-iad-dca-bases-closing.html), Privately ran company so they will make decisions that are in the interest of the company with out telling their pilot pool and string them along to keep the company going. Run the risk of something happening and being stuck at your current regional for life. If they are having a hard time recruiting training slots, your seniority number wont rise as fast. Frontier flow program that prevent pilots from applying to frontier, and instead using it as a retention tool to control the flow of pilots they loose and sending their most expensive senior pilots first. History of furloughing pilots during hard times.

Good things that pilots report: Single occupancy training, good training program, little to no reserve time at certain domiciles, hold a line immediately in DEN, probably fly 90 hours a month during peak months, probably upgrade to captain in about 13+ months, no reserve for a captain , and hold a line immediately as captain . Get 1000 PIC time fast and start looking at major airlines. 200 to 300% pay when offered for overtime during peak flying months, Lower pay can be offset by making captain in one year. Pays for 4 days of hotels if on reserve and you have to travel day before/after to go home. Small company and they can get to know you well. Big bonus program with flexible training opportunity's.

There are a lot more things that are important to people. Some of these things can change quickly for the good or bad. It is like the stock market, go risky stocks for big returns, or nice stable government bond. Do you have the time and age to recover if the risky investment failed?

The best advice is to forget about what the regionals offer and write down what your priority's are, then match the regional that can best fill your most important priorities. NO regional will be perfect and you will have to sacrifice some priority's to make others happen. Read through many pages of posts in any regional you are interested in, send a private message to members to ask them to contact you and ask them what they like/dislike to get unfiltered first hand comments. Make your own assessment of the regional. You can't just use the public forums to paint your picture.

A positive for one person might be a negative for another person depending on how you look at it.

PreciousCargo
05-29-2019, 05:47 AM
Can confirm. Been here 4 years and have had to turn down United, FedEx, and Delta (twice). Waiting on my MRJ type before I really start aggressively applying though......

You turned them down? How much time do you have before you got offers from FedEx?

PreciousCargo
05-29-2019, 05:49 AM
Can anyone tell me how much block time and or flight time I can expect to get with TSA as a first officer? I'm trying to get an idea of what a pay check will look like before taxes and u can kinda do the math from there. Thanks!

PreciousCargo
05-29-2019, 05:52 AM
So forgive my ignorance, but if this the case why is it that pilots are not jumping into this opportunity? Meaning if the end goal is to get to a major as fast as possible?
So hypothetically: CFI to 1500 (1.5 yrs) - TSA (minimal reserve, quick line, junior manning :( , no CA upgrade, but 1000 hours in 1.5 years) - eligible to apply to majors and legacy carriers. What am I missing here?

I too was wondering the same thing boss. It seems like a great stepping stone to bigger and better things. If you want to fly your ass off and move on after a couple of years why not? It seems like a good gig. I know you may be gone a lot but if you live inBase does that off set the stress a little?

jacburn
05-29-2019, 08:08 AM
You turned them down? How much time do you have before you got offers from FedEx?
He was making fun of all the new guys thinking as soon as they get X amount of flight hours, that some major will call them.

Plan on being at any regional for at least 10 years. Plan on the phone call never coming. Pick a regional that you can stand for at least 10 years.

NeverHome
05-29-2019, 08:17 AM
You turned them down? How much time do you have before you got offers from FedEx?

He is being a smart ***. Truth is there isnít a known formula to the secret sauce.

Those that think they will get 1000 121 PIC and the legacies will blow up your phone, are simply delusional. They have been fed a line. Do some get out at 1000? Yes, but not the majority. Some will get a call sooner. That is rare but possible.

Find a place that fits your long term goals but also your set lifestyle. TSA is filled with great guys and gals, but as a company they are struggling with some serious issues. Issues that are due to the arrogance and ignorance of those in the high echelons of the management.

PreciousCargo
05-29-2019, 09:45 AM
He is being a smart ***. Truth is there isnít a known formula to the secret sauce.

Those that think they will get 1000 121 PIC and the legacies will blow up your phone, are simply delusional. They have been fed a line. Do some get out at 1000? Yes, but not the majority. Some will get a call sooner. That is rare but possible.

Find a place that fits your long term goals but also your set lifestyle. TSA is filled with great guys and gals, but as a company they are struggling with some serious issues. Issues that are due to the arrogance and ignorance of those in the high echelons of the management.

Well that was stupid on my part. But I did think that t 1000 hrs would maybe help me move onto something differnt or is that naive too?

FlyingKat
05-29-2019, 10:35 AM
Can anyone tell me how much block time and or flight time I can expect to get with TSA as a first officer? I'm trying to get an idea of what a pay check will look like before taxes and u can kinda do the math from there. Thanks! You can fly as much as you an handle. Most FOs that want to fly are crediting between 110-140 hours a month of credit depending upon what they are offering for open time. I don't see this changing in the forseeable future....

PreciousCargo
05-29-2019, 11:00 AM
You can fly as much as you an handle. Most FOs that want to fly are crediting between 110-140 hours a month of credit depending upon what they are offering for open time. I don't see this changing in the forseeable future....

What is the (if any ) incentive to fly say over 85 hours? I'm just guessing on that# but is there any extra pay involved on that?

C37AFE
05-29-2019, 11:16 AM
What is the (if any ) incentive to fly say over 85 hours? I'm just guessing on that# but is there any extra pay involved on that?

Time out and have a month off!!!!

PreciousCargo
05-29-2019, 12:56 PM
Time out and have a month off!!!!

Not that is a bad thing but extra money is good too

NeverHome
05-29-2019, 04:42 PM
Well that was stupid on my part. But I did think that t 1000 hrs would maybe help me move onto something differnt or is that naive too?

You can always move on to something different. 1000tpic is nice and nobody can take that from you. But donít expect that just because you get 1000 that mainline is gonna get you on property. Networking and being decent to everyone you meet will do wonders.

Lastly, nothing wrong with naive. We all started out with more dreams than experience. As that shifts you will find that this is an industry that says one thing yet is very different.

PreciousCargo
05-29-2019, 06:32 PM
Networking and being decent to everyone you meet will do wonders.

Lastly, nothing wrong with naive. We all started out with more dreams than experience. As that shifts you will find that this is an industry that says one thing yet is very different.

This sir is something we all should take to the bank...

Fox51
06-26-2019, 08:26 PM
You got to find out what is best for you.

Some people report reaching burnout flying so often, no time at home with the family, having to cancel plans on days off and being told they have to work, flying older Aircraft and dealing with maintenance issues, lack of maintenance personnel (that industry is short staffed too) late flights, fighting for higher of block pay or other pay issues that your entitled too, low employee moral, trying to keep your bonus money after you upgrade to cap, one of the lowest paying hourly rates among regionals, possibility of them closing an entire base that you are stationed in with little notice (IAD DCU) (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/trans-states-airlines/113585-iad-dca-bases-closing.html), Privately ran company so they will make decisions that are in the interest of the company with out telling their pilot pool and string them along to keep the company going. Run the risk of something happening and being stuck at your current regional for life. If they are having a hard time recruiting training slots, your seniority number wont rise as fast. Frontier flow program that prevent pilots from applying to frontier, and instead using it as a retention tool to control the flow of pilots they loose and sending their most expensive senior pilots first. History of furloughing pilots during hard times.

Good things that pilots report: Single occupancy training, good training program, little to no reserve time at certain domiciles, hold a line immediately in DEN, probably fly 90 hours a month during peak months, probably upgrade to captain in about 13+ months, no reserve for a captain , and hold a line immediately as captain . Get 1000 PIC time fast and start looking at major airlines. 200 to 300% pay when offered for overtime during peak flying months, Lower pay can be offset by making captain in one year. Pays for 4 days of hotels if on reserve and you have to travel day before/after to go home. Small company and they can get to know you well. Big bonus program with flexible training opportunity's.

There are a lot more things that are important to people. Some of these things can change quickly for the good or bad. It is like the stock market, go risky stocks for big returns, or nice stable government bond. Do you have the time and age to recover if the risky investment failed?

The best advice is to forget about what the regionals offer and write down what your priority's are, then match the regional that can best fill your most important priorities. NO regional will be perfect and you will have to sacrifice some priority's to make others happen. Read through many pages of posts in any regional you are interested in, send a private message to members to ask them to contact you and ask them what they like/dislike to get unfiltered first hand comments. Make your own assessment of the regional. You can't just use the public forums to paint your picture.

A positive for one person might be a negative for another person depending on how you look at it.


Excellent insight into the peculiarities of TSA and how it reflects other regional airlines. I can deal with working long hours in older aircraft, BUT I have a fear that I would like to bounce off you.

I am most afraid of getting on with a company and the company going bankrupt and loosing a job. In todays world, not as bad, many regionals are hiring direct entry captains. I see LCC carriers go out of business and it makes me worry. Like WowAir. I dont see the MRJ coming out anytime soon and wonder if that will effect TSAs ability to aquire contracts with the Majors. - Thx

Fox51
06-26-2019, 09:57 PM
I might just make a new thread, but OPs question is stated similarly.

What is daily life for an FO at TSA like??

What I would like know is how an average month looks like after getting a line out of DEN. What does a multi leg trip look like? Do you bid 3 days on 2 off or 4 on 3 off?

I see the route map out of DEN to small towns. Do you carry pax to and from, say Santa Fe, then another quick turn to KELP? If anyone could shed some light on me please. Light me up :) ps the last 200 hours to go before 1500 seem like the longest ever.

C37AFE
06-27-2019, 04:53 AM
I might just make a new thread, but OPs question is stated similarly.

What is daily life for an FO at TSA like??

What I would like know is how an average month looks like after getting a line out of DEN. What does a multi leg trip look like? Do you bid 3 days on 2 off or 4 on 3 off?

I see the route map out of DEN to small towns. Do you carry pax to and from, say Santa Fe, then another quick turn to KELP? If anyone could shed some light on me please. Light me up :) ps the last 200 hours to go before 1500 seem like the longest ever.

Probably see 4 4 day trips could be 2 days off in between or 4 just kind of where cookie crumbles. 4 or 2 legs a day depending on distance between cities. Thatís a big general sample but basically it

Fox51
06-28-2019, 05:15 PM
Probably see 4 4 day trips could be 2 days off in between or 4 just kind of where cookie crumbles. 4 or 2 legs a day depending on distance between cities. Thatís a big general sample but basically it


Thanks for the response.