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bevi
11-06-2018, 10:07 AM
Good morning everyone, my name's Matthew, I'm new in the forum.
I'm looking for a good flight school to get my CFI and eventually CFII. The options I'm looking at are American Flyers CFI/CFII Academy and Flight Safety Academy's (VRB) CFI program. Does anyone know one these programs? Do you have any other suggestions?
Thanks a lot

Mat


theonlyski
11-06-2018, 02:03 PM
Good morning everyone, my name's Matthew, I'm new in the forum.
I'm looking for a good flight school to get my CFI and eventually CFII. The options I'm looking at are American Flyers CFI/CFII Academy and Flight Safety Academy's (VRB) CFI program. Does anyone know one these programs? Do you have any other suggestions?
Thanks a lot

Mat

I did the month long academy at American Flyers (Pompano) and I thought it was great. It sounds like a couple things have changed (probably for the better) but it still sounds like a great possibility. No clue on Flight Safety.

sar1
11-06-2018, 04:07 PM
Leaning heavily on the CFI/CFII 30 day AF @ Pompano, maybe the Dec 27 class myself. So curious of inputs as well.


Ecotone
11-07-2018, 05:20 AM
I went to Blue Line in Raleigh, NC for their 10-day CFI class and can only say good things about them. It is a bit more expensive than some of the competition but if you are on a tight schedule like I was, it is a great option. We all had our checkrides scheduled on day 1. Mine was on day 10 of the class so I really was done in 10 days, driving back home the next day with a CFI ticket. One of the guys in the class stayed for another 4/5 days and got done with CFII as well. Granted, they give you a good amount of stuff you need to prepare before coming but it certainly is achievable and realistic. Everyone in my class passed on their first attempt.

Macchi30
11-09-2018, 05:46 PM
I went to Blue Line in Raleigh, NC for their 10-day CFI class and can only say good things about them. It is a bit more expensive than some of the competition but if you are on a tight schedule like I was, it is a great option. We all had our checkrides scheduled on day 1. Mine was on day 10 of the class so I really was done in 10 days, driving back home the next day with a CFI ticket. One of the guys in the class stayed for another 4/5 days and got done with CFII as well. Granted, they give you a good amount of stuff you need to prepare before coming but it certainly is achievable and realistic. Everyone in my class passed on their first attempt.

How much did it cost you including hotels? Right now Iím working on my CFI at my local school. It kind of sucks because Iím the only CFI student here, and my ground portion is the online King Schools course. I donít know if I should just continue here or go to a factory

Knudiee
11-09-2018, 09:01 PM
How much did it cost you including hotels? Right now Iím working on my CFI at my local school. It kind of sucks because Iím the only CFI student here, and my ground portion is the online King Schools course. I donít know if I should just continue here or go to a factory

Iím in the same boat. I donít know if those cram classes are any good, but Iím interested. If anything, I need a study buddy. Have you bought lesson plans or do you plan on making them?

flyingtheskies
11-09-2018, 10:07 PM
I'm currently on the CFI program at Flight Safety. Pm with any questions.

Macchi30
11-10-2018, 04:49 AM
Iím in the same boat. I donít know if those cram classes are any good, but Iím interested. If anything, I need a study buddy. Have you bought lesson plans or do you plan on making them?

I didnít even know you could do that. But, another CFI at my school gave me his entire binder, and I just copied it. But yeah I donít know if it would be worth it to go to a big school or just stay here. Staying here seems significantly cheaper

Ecotone
11-10-2018, 06:35 AM
How much did it cost you including hotels? Right now Iím working on my CFI at my local school. It kind of sucks because Iím the only CFI student here, and my ground portion is the online King Schools course. I donít know if I should just continue here or go to a factory

I booked an Airbnb a few miles from the airport. 10 days, was about $700. I believe they also provide shared housing for the duration of the class for $500. As far as the class, I believe they just increased their prices to $8000 for the CFI class. Check with them to be sure.

I hear ya. I started preparing with the King Schools course for CFI too and overall, I think it's a great way to get the ball rolling and get your mind in the right place. However, in the end what you need to work on is the CFI PTS, Area 1, 2, 3 and 4 for the oral. I certainly used some of my notes from the King course to build my outlines for each Task in the PTS but in the end, I would say King is insufficient. You're going to have to use the FAA books (PHAK, AFH, etc.), some advisory circulars (61-98D, 91-73B, 61-65H, etc.), FAR/AIM, etc. If you go with Blue Line, they will send you some study material you will need to complete before your arrival. It is essentially a series of questions on each task that forces you to look up the reference materials. Once you have that done, you will pretty much have all of your outlines done for Area 1 and 2... It is very efficient.

To be clear, the purpose of an accelerated course like the one proposed at Blue Line is not to teach you the material. As a commercial pilot, you should already have the knowledge so the goal is to help you organize the material in a way that makes teaching efficient. The whole point is to make you apply the Fundamentals of Instructing to the material. They're going to have you present each Task of Area 1 through 3 in front of the class at least once so by the end of the class if you study like they tell you and come prepared, I can say with confidence you will be ready for the checkride.

As a side note, I wouldn't exactly call Blue Line "a factory". They have 1 accelerated CFI class per month, so roughly 12 a year, with about 4 people attending in each. It is a family owned business, CFIs are well treated, pay is good, airplanes are top notch with some brand new 172s with all the bells and whistles (G1000 NXi). They also give you a good chunk of time for each lesson so you and your instructor don't feel rushed getting in and out. Give them a call or visit the school if you can.

PM me if you have any other questions. Happy to help.

Ecotone
11-10-2018, 06:48 AM
I’m in the same boat. I don’t know if those cram classes are any good, but I’m interested. If anything, I need a study buddy. Have you bought lesson plans or do you plan on making them?

Look up my reply above. This actually is not a "cram" class because the study work and preparation starts way ahead of the start date. Sure it is fast paced, but it's definitely manageable. Just to give you an idea, I started preparing for the class (FOI & FIA writtens, PTS outlines, etc.) about 2 months before the class. Granted, I work full time so I could only work evenings and some weekends but you get the idea. But then when I showed up to class, I pretty much had everything ready and it was just a matter of getting feedback from the instructors and other students, polishing my presentations and some of the content a bit, and then jumping in the airplane for the flying portion.

As far as the lesson plans, for what it's worth, I strongly encourage you to build your own outlines... Just follow the PTS and look up the reference material. This will help you tremendously for the test.

Knudiee
11-10-2018, 03:56 PM
Look up my reply above. This actually is not a "cram" class because the study work and preparation starts way ahead of the start date. Sure it is fast paced, but it's definitely manageable. Just to give you an idea, I started preparing for the class (FOI & FIA writtens, PTS outlines, etc.) about 2 months before the class. Granted, I work full time so I could only work evenings and some weekends but you get the idea. But then when I showed up to class, I pretty much had everything ready and it was just a matter of getting feedback from the instructors and other students, polishing my presentations and some of the content a bit, and then jumping in the airplane for the flying portion.

As far as the lesson plans, for what it's worth, I strongly encourage you to build your own outlines... Just follow the PTS and look up the reference material. This will help you tremendously for the test.

I appreciate your input. By ďputting together an outlineĒ do you mean like a frame of each lesson, (like what will be taught, what you need, how long will it take, etc.) or making all the lessons from scratch?

I bought the pilot nick binder, Iíve heard good things.
I already have my written exams done, and sorry to the guy who started the forum, I didnít mean to hijack. Iím sure it will be helpful to us both.

Ecotone
11-12-2018, 03:29 AM
I appreciate your input. By ďputting together an outlineĒ do you mean like a frame of each lesson, (like what will be taught, what you need, how long will it take, etc.) or making all the lessons from scratch?

I bought the pilot nick binder, Iíve heard good things.
I already have my written exams done, and sorry to the guy who started the forum, I didnít mean to hijack. Iím sure it will be helpful to us both.

What I meant by outline is just a summarized version of what you will need to talk about for each task of the PTS, which is pretty much what you would include in an actual lesson, content wise.
Take Area II Task A Aeromedical factors for instance. The list of things youíll need to cover is already pretty well laid out. Now just expand on it to make sure you hit all the points.
The examiner may ask you to give a formal lesson about one of the tasks, or may have more of a free form dialogue with you about it, ymmv.

flybub
11-12-2018, 08:17 AM
I booked an Airbnb a few miles from the airport. 10 days, was about $700. I believe they also provide shared housing for the duration of the class for $500. As far as the class, I believe they just increased their prices to $8000 for the CFI class. Check with them to be sure.

I hear ya. I started preparing with the King Schools course for CFI too and overall, I think it's a great way to get the ball rolling and get your mind in the right place. However, in the end what you need to work on is the CFI PTS, Area 1, 2, 3 and 4 for the oral. I certainly used some of my notes from the King course to build my outlines for each Task in the PTS but in the end, I would say King is insufficient. You're going to have to use the FAA books (PHAK, AFH, etc.), some advisory circulars (61-98D, 91-73B, 61-65H, etc.), FAR/AIM, etc. If you go with Blue Line, they will send you some study material you will need to complete before your arrival. It is essentially a series of questions on each task that forces you to look up the reference materials. Once you have that done, you will pretty much have all of your outlines done for Area 1 and 2... It is very efficient.

To be clear, the purpose of an accelerated course like the one proposed at Blue Line is not to teach you the material. As a commercial pilot, you should already have the knowledge so the goal is to help you organize the material in a way that makes teaching efficient. The whole point is to make you apply the Fundamentals of Instructing to the material. They're going to have you present each Task of Area 1 through 3 in front of the class at least once so by the end of the class if you study like they tell you and come prepared, I can say with confidence you will be ready for the checkride.

As a side note, I wouldn't exactly call Blue Line "a factory". They have 1 accelerated CFI class per month, so roughly 12 a year, with about 4 people attending in each. It is a family owned business, CFIs are well treated, pay is good, airplanes are top notch with some brand new 172s with all the bells and whistles (G1000 NXi). They also give you a good chunk of time for each lesson so you and your instructor don't feel rushed getting in and out. Give them a call or visit the school if you can.

PM me if you have any other questions. Happy to help.

Is the Examiner in-house or do you go somewhere else to do the checkride?

Ecotone
11-12-2018, 08:29 AM
Is the Examiner in-house or do you go somewhere else to do the checkride?

We go somewhere else. They have 3-4 DPEs that they use most of the time. Mine was at MYR. Not sure about the other locations.