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vagabond
04-16-2007, 04:47 PM
This is a commentary by John Schoen of MSNBC.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18098378/

Do YOU know where your paycheck goes? ;)


jungle
04-16-2007, 04:59 PM
The short version, a pie chart showing the so called "off budget" items as a portion of the whole.

MikeInTx
05-11-2007, 01:38 PM
The short version, a pie chart showing the so called "off budget" items as a portion of the whole.


I would really like to see that one blown up...too small to read. Link?


jungle
05-11-2007, 02:09 PM
Sorry about the graph, here is a link to the chart and full description. Enjoy.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/6/64/300px-Fbs_us_fy2007.png&imgrefurl=http://www.answers.com/topic/united-states-federal-budget-2007&h=300&w=300&sz=41&hl=en&start=28&sig2=VZQCPnCnWQnudLJRe0T9ww&tbnid=k2yKMUR7bpEwtM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=116&ei=AOlERpqaLJy4ggSDtJmVCw&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dfederal%2Bbudget%26start%3D21%26gbv%3 D2%26ndsp%3D21%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff %26sa%3DN




Total Spending
Graphical representation of the Total Spending for the 2007 United States Federal Budget. Social Security, Medicare and Defense together take up over half the total Federal expenditures.The President's budget for 2007 totals $2.8 trillion. This budget request is broken down by the following expenditures:

$586.1 billion (+7.0%) - Social Security
$466.0 billion (+4.0%) - Defense
$394.5 billion (+12.4%) - Medicare
$367.0 billion (+2.0%) - Unemployment and welfare
$276.4 billion (+2.9%) - Medicaid and other health related
$243.7 billion (+13.4%) - Interest on debt
$89.9 billion (+1.3%) - Education and training
$76.9 billion (+8.1%) - Transportation
$72.6 billion (+5.8%) - Veterans' benefits
$43.5 billion (+9.2%) - Administration of justice
$33.1 billion (+5.7%) - Natural resources and environment
$32.5 billion (-15.4%) - Foreign affairs
$27.0 billion (+3.7%) - Agriculture
$26.8 billion (+28.7%) - Community and regional development
$25.0 billion (+4.0%) - Science and technology
$20.1 billion (+11.4%) - General government
$1.1 billion (-47.6%) - Energy

sschlesinger
05-11-2007, 10:47 PM
IMO I think they should move some unemployment and welfare dollars to the education an training sector. I just hate to see deadbeats beating the system to stay home and drink their millwaukes best light ice and collect unemploynent. Also there are alot of unemployeed career changers out there that could use additional training an education so they can get a job. I would ramble more but i'm sure you all get the point.

MikeInTx
05-13-2007, 09:36 AM
IMO I think they should move some unemployment and welfare dollars to the education an training sector. I just hate to see deadbeats beating the system to stay home and drink their millwaukes best light ice and collect unemploynent. Also there are alot of unemployeed career changers out there that could use additional training an education so they can get a job. I would ramble more but i'm sure you all get the point.

HEY WATCH IT I like Milwaukee's Best.
:D

Thanks for the breakdown jungle and love your pics btw keep em comin

sschlesinger
05-13-2007, 06:47 PM
HEY WATCH IT I like Milwaukee's Best.
:D

Thanks for the breakdown jungle and love your pics btw keep em comin

So thats how you spell Milwaukee I was to lazy to find the correct spelling.

vagabond
05-14-2007, 02:11 PM
Many states have re-employment and training programs available, you just need to look hard for them and be creative with the advisor at the local community college. I don't know if you have ever collected unemployment benefits, but this money is usually the only thing separating the claimant from homelessness and welfare. It also has provisions for training and job search, so it's not like the claimants were sitting at home watching Oprah all day long. When I was still in the active practice of law, I would say 99.9% of my clients did whatever they could to get off the unemployment rolls. I had several clients in the airline industry, and they too wanted to go back to work as soon as practicable. These people were no deadbeats. I'm sure there are real losers out there, but they are in the minority.

sschlesinger
05-14-2007, 10:12 PM
Many states have re-employment and training programs available, you just need to look hard for them and be creative with the advisor at the local community college. I don't know if you have ever collected unemployment benefits, but this money is usually the only thing separating the claimant from homelessness and welfare. It also has provisions for training and job search, so it's not like the claimants were sitting at home watching Oprah all day long. When I was still in the active practice of law, I would say 99.9% of my clients did whatever they could to get off the unemployment rolls. I had several clients in the airline industry, and they too wanted to go back to work as soon as practicable. These people were no deadbeats. I'm sure there are real losers out there, but they are in the minority.

I understand what you are saying but wouldn't the training and anything that has to do with community college come out of the education fund. If an unemployed persons was to go to the local CC and collect unemployment at the same time it would be double dipping one from the education fund and one from the unemployment fund. If this is the case I think that the unemployed person should get his education funded through the unemployment/welfare fund. There is nothing wrong with an umeployed person going back to school to get an education in a different career field but keep in mind there are also your highschool grads that also need the education fund. This is just my two cents and I could be incorrect about any of the statements I have made.

vagabond
05-15-2007, 06:16 AM
I'm not sure what you mean by the education fund. Education in general is funded in part by both federal and state money. Unemployment benefits are generally state first, then depending on the economy, federal funds. In the context of unemployment in Washington state (I don't know anything about other states), a claimant would file and either be granted or denied benefits. If this person would like further education, there are some stringent rules regarding choice of school and degree program. The state's primary concern is to return this person into the workforce as soon as possible, so this person cannot use unemployment money to get himself a law degree or something. While in school, this person receives the same amount of money that regular unemployment would pay him anyway. There is no double dipping. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you on your point.

WhiteH2O
05-15-2007, 06:09 PM
IMO I think they should move some unemployment and welfare dollars to the education an training sector.

That is the first thing that I noticed when I saw the graph. Almost seems like those percentages could be swapped.

sschlesinger
05-15-2007, 09:31 PM
I'm not sure what you mean by the education fund. Education in general is funded in part by both federal and state money. Unemployment benefits are generally state first, then depending on the economy, federal funds. In the context of unemployment in Washington state (I don't know anything about other states), a claimant would file and either be granted or denied benefits. If this person would like further education, there are some stringent rules regarding choice of school and degree program. The state's primary concern is to return this person into the workforce as soon as possible, so this person cannot use unemployment money to get himself a law degree or something. While in school, this person receives the same amount of money that regular unemployment would pay him anyway. There is no double dipping. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you on your point.

$367.0 billion (+2.0%) - Unemployment and welfare
$89.9 billion (+1.3%) - Education and training

I guess maybe since you didn't understand my statement looking at these numbers an unemployed person would be getting both unemployment and education from to different government sources if they decided to go back to school and collect unemployment. But you have enlightened me to the fact that in your state it does not work this way for them which is good. I wouldn't mind if the said unemployed person was able to goto law school on tax payers money provided once he graduated he would have to work for a living wage as a public defender or some other lesser positions in the courts for a period of time (contract).

I believe education in this country is the last stand against poverty and welfare. The government is giving me a lot of grants to goto college (aviation) and once i'm done I plan to donate my time to help other people to achieve their goals.



That is the first thing that I noticed when I saw the graph. Almost seems like those percentages could be swapped.

You would think.

MikeInTx
05-16-2007, 09:07 AM
$367.0 billion (+2.0%) - Unemployment and welfare

...what would be REALLY interesting to see is the breakdown of the $367 billion...

There would be categories like cell phones, liquor, tobacco, cable TV, etc

I almost would rather not know.