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Radar25
11-17-2018, 09:31 PM
Hey guys. Theres a lot of talk about ATP mins as far as the multi hours. How many do we need for indoc?

Some say 44 hours and others say you can get in for 25 hours on the forums. Can't get anything done with different answers from different departments from the company...gotta be sure about things like this ya know..


DarkSideMoon
11-17-2018, 09:38 PM
Hey guys. Theres a lot of talk about ATP mins as far as the multi hours. How many do we need for indoc?

Some say 44 hours and others say you can get in for 25 hours on the forums. Can't get anything done with different answers from different departments from the company...gotta be sure about things like this ya know..

If you canít get an answer from the company what makes you think youíll get a credible answer from the APC brain trust?

dera
11-17-2018, 10:31 PM
44 hours unless grad from 141 school was what we were told.


BosoxH60
11-18-2018, 04:58 AM
I wouldnít contact multiple departments. Iíd ask recruiting/hiring. If they say you canít get hired with only 25, you should probably get a few more hours done.

Radar25
11-18-2018, 05:01 AM
44 hours unless grad from 141 school was what we were told.

141 flight school or college?

Radar25
11-18-2018, 05:03 AM
If you canít get an answer from the company what makes you think youíll get a credible answer from the APC brain trust?

True that. Wishful thinking I suppose..

pilot2804
11-18-2018, 06:22 AM
44 before you start ATP/CTP unless you have a 141 bachelors with a restricted ATP then itís 25 at the beginning of Indoc

Itís proven that 141 students donít struggle as much as other students and therefore can set back their oral date. But now weíre switching to AQP so itíll probably change

TheWeatherman
11-18-2018, 07:17 AM
I would also expect it to get more stringent in the future. It is no longer a hiring market out there. Right now most Regionals are flush with applicants and backed up in sims. Where as just 18 months ago there were struggling to fill classes. Not sure where these rash of applicants came from, I mean the last pay increase wasn't that much to draw people out of dormancy.

rickair7777
11-18-2018, 07:35 AM
I would also expect it to get more stringent in the future. It is no longer a hiring market out there. Right now most Regionals are flush with applicants and backed up in sims. Where as just 18 months ago there were struggling to fill classes. Not sure where these rash of applicants came from, I mean the last pay increase wasn't that much to draw people out of dormancy.

Regional pay increases are not really drawing people out, it's major airline retirements and projected hiring.

The regionals raised pay just to compete with each other, although that does enable a few career-changers or folks from other segments of aviation to take the 121 leap.

Arliss
11-18-2018, 07:46 AM
I would also expect it to get more stringent in the future. It is no longer a hiring market out there. Right now most Regionals are flush with applicants and backed up in sims. Where as just 18 months ago there were struggling to fill classes. Not sure where these rash of applicants came from, I mean the last pay increase wasn't that much to draw people out of dormancy.

Certain regionals like Endeavor, Envoy, and Republic are like this because they offer something good. The pilots going there are pilots not going to other regionals. Places like Xjet and Mesa are still begging for people to show up.

MrFriendly7
11-18-2018, 08:22 AM
Its 50 hours before you start SYSTEMS and SIMS. Some like me are short with 48.7 and they will pay during my break to go fly that 1.3 before I return. I went to ATP CTP with 42.7 and got 6 hours in sims to 48.7

Longhornmaniac8
11-18-2018, 08:29 AM
You're going to be told you need to come in with 44 hours. As far as anyone knew, that was and still is true. I believe the 141/military guys were being told they could come in with 25 hours.

However, the last several Indoc classes have had people who were short on TT or multi time. I was one of those. During our first 3 days, we were told that Republic would pay for the remainder of the time during the break, and that it would not come out of our bonus like the Flight Time Initiative would. This was unfortunate for those that used the FTI to get their hours, only to be told if they hadn't, they'd be no worse off with respect to class dates, but wouldn't be out the money off the back end of the bonus.

I would say no one can say if that will continue, and if so, for how long. It seems, based on other things posted in here about class date postponements, that Republic is actively working towards a solution to reduce or eliminate the training delays. It is logical that once those go away (or nearly so), the accommodation for those short on hours would, too.

Bottom line is I'd try to come in with 44 before ATP-CTP. If that's not going to happen, and you're in a class that will have a delay, call and talk to one of the pilot training managers; they'll likely be able to give you some guidance. In my case, I called them when it became clear I was going to be a few hours short before ATP-CTP, and asked them if they wanted me to try to get it during ATP-CTP at a nearby flight school, or if I could just finish up the hours during the long break (which seemed both reasonable and practical). They were fine with me finishing it up during the break. I was short less than 10 hours.



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