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MEFLIGHT
11-20-2018, 05:44 AM
Could anyone list here the most junior pilot TODAY for CA & FO in their bases? Regardless of equipment.

Example: DFW - APR/95 & JUN/15

ORD - __/__ & __/__
BOS - __/__ & __/__
LAX - __/__ & __/__
DCA - __/__ & __/__
DFW - __/__ & __/__
LGA - __/__ & __/__
MIA - __/__ & __/__
PHL - __/__ & __/__
CLT - __/__ & __/__
PHX - __/__ & __/__

Thank you!


viper548
11-20-2018, 06:01 AM
DOH isn't a very good reflection of seniority for each base/seat because of the mergers. A 2001 hire could be junior to a 2013 hire. I'll give you what I have on hand in seniority numbers. There are about 14500 active pilots on the seniority list. These numbers are from the March bid.

DFW CA 9715 (there are junior guys on the MD80 but they are protected positions)
PHX CA 7691
LAX CA 11213
ORD CA 9671
CLT CA 9541
PHL CA 10110 (A-320 CA. E-190CA can be had as soon as you're off probation)
LGA CA 11446
MIA CA 11060
DCA CA 9096


Newhires can get LAX, MIA, LGA. the rest of the bases can be had within a year. CLT might be longer.

QuagmireGiggity
11-20-2018, 06:07 AM
The bottom
Base Bottom
Seniority
CLT - INT 13777
DFW - DOM 14123
DFW - INT 13828
LAX - INT 14901
LGA - DOM 14920
MIA - INT 14751
PHL - INT 13971
PHX - INT 14515
UDC - INT 14326

All airbus I think from Mutual exchange page.


MEFLIGHT
11-20-2018, 06:23 AM
Wow, thank you both for sharing the information.

Regionalsuck
11-20-2018, 08:25 AM
DFW dom junior pilot is actually 14522 (S80).

Current vacancy just came out dropped things in most statuses except CLT. Some changes below showing movement from above list:

DFW 320 - 14496
DFW 737 - 14291
DCA 737 - 14914
BOS 737 - 14777
ORD 737 - 13848
MIA 320 - 14920
PHL 320 - 14912
UDC 320 - 14782

Everthing else not listed for narrowbody a new hire can pretty much hold right away. Or by end of training. (Except CLT) Just over #15,000 total on list currently.

aa73
11-20-2018, 07:20 PM
DCA CA just went down to 10,920 on this latest vacancy bid.

RNO Flyer
11-25-2018, 01:32 PM
Anybody have the junior CA numbers?

viper548
11-25-2018, 02:42 PM
Anybody have the junior CA numbers?
Read posts 2&6. E-190 CA is about to be junior assigned to someone just off probation.

TankerDriver
11-25-2018, 03:09 PM
Read posts 2&6. E-190 CA is about to be junior assigned to someone just off probation.What are the stipulations of being "junior assigned". Are there seat locks associated with it? I assume one could be junior assigned and then withheld?

viper548
11-25-2018, 06:02 PM
What are the stipulations of being "junior assigned". Are there seat locks associated with it? I assume one could be junior assigned and then withheld?
The stipulations are the pilot to be junior assigned will be the most junior pilot, in that base, off probation. They must also meet PIC requirements (1000 121 or 500 MIL crew airplane). So Junior PHL FO off probation that meets PIC requirements. There won't be a seatlock if the pilot is displaced into that position. They will hold an entitlement to whatever position they are moved out of. They could very well be awarded a different position on the next bid BUT the company can withhold them for a year.

OzoneRanger
04-28-2019, 11:32 AM
Can someone give a quick breakdown on what aircraft are at which base? I.e. what bases are not 737/320 bases (and likely wouldn’t be available to a new hire).

I’m interested in LGA and BOS specifically. Thanks!

Dobbs18
04-28-2019, 01:15 PM
These are the seniority numbers straight from the May PBS award reports....bottom FO for each base(PHL is bottom 320 FO not E190 although its about the same)

CLT-13779
ORD-14377
DFW-14729
PHX-15340
PHL-15360
MIA-15361
LAX-15371
DCA-15373
LGA-15375
BOS-15376

Looks like a new hire could get any base in first year except CLT and ORD....

viper548
04-28-2019, 01:26 PM
Can someone give a quick breakdown on what aircraft are at which base? I.e. what bases are not 737/320 bases (and likely wouldn’t be available to a new hire).

I’m interested in LGA and BOS specifically. Thanks!

BOS 737
LGA 737/320/767/777 (767 closing soon)
PHL 190/320/767/330
DCA 737/320
MIA 737/320/767/777
ORD 737/787
DFW 80/737/320/767/777/787 (80 closing in Sept)
PHX 320/767 (I think 767 closing next year)
LAX 737/320/777/787
CLT 320/330 (at least a year wait to get in)

Kevin
04-28-2019, 02:24 PM
These are the seniority numbers straight from the May PBS award reports....bottom FO for each base(PHL is bottom 320 FO not E190 although its about the same)

CLT-13779
ORD-14377
DFW-14729
PHX-15340
PHL-15360
MIA-15361
LAX-15371
DCA-15373
LGA-15375
BOS-15376

Looks like a new hire could get any base in first year except CLT and ORD....

Can I get an explanation of what these numbers mean?

AAfng
04-28-2019, 03:09 PM
Can I get an explanation of what these numbers mean?

Its how much you get paid per month, gross not net.

OVBIII
04-28-2019, 03:26 PM
Can I get an explanation of what these numbers mean?

That is the most junior seniority number at each base. The plug, if you will

Cheddar
04-28-2019, 06:54 PM
BOS 737
LGA 737/320/767/777 (767 closing soon)
PHL 190/320/767/330
DCA 737/320
MIA 737/320/767/777
ORD 737/787
DFW 80/737/320/767/777/787 (80 closing in Sept)
PHX 320/767 (I think 767 closing next year)
LAX 737/320/777/787
CLT 320/330 (at least a year wait to get in)



PHX/767 closes this year as all the classics are gone in Dec, unless they invest $$$$$$. If need be they will send in DFW crews/jets.


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Kevin
04-29-2019, 09:04 AM
That is the most junior seniority number at each base. The plug, if you will

Thanks for the response! So those numbers are the minimum an FO will get paid at each base?

highflyer87
04-29-2019, 09:09 AM
Thanks for the response! So those numbers are the minimum an FO will get paid at each base?


You missed his sarcasm. Those are pilot seniority numbers. Nothing to do with pay.

Kevin
04-29-2019, 09:19 AM
You missed his sarcasm. Those are pilot seniority numbers. Nothing to do with pay.

Dang.

Excuse my ignorance but I'm still not sure what "pilot seniority numbers" mean. That isn't the amount of pilots there are per base, is it? seems like a lot.

Riverside
04-29-2019, 09:52 AM
Dang.

Excuse my ignorance but I'm still not sure what "pilot seniority numbers" mean. That isn't the amount of pilots there are per base, is it? seems like a lot.

I can't tell if you're being serious....

Kevin
04-29-2019, 10:02 AM
I can't tell if you're being serious....

I'm serious, I mean I'm brand new to aviation. Apparently it's something pretty obvious so I'll just pretend like I know what's going on.

Dobbs18
04-29-2019, 10:28 AM
I'm serious, I mean I'm brand new to aviation. Apparently it's something pretty obvious so I'll just pretend like I know what's going on.

You don't know what seniority numbers mean and are "new" to aviation yet your avatar says I'm ready to strike???

Kevin
04-29-2019, 10:30 AM
You don't know what seniority numbers mean and are "new" to aviation yet your avatar says I'm ready to strike???

If I changed my avatar to "moron" would it make you feel better?

Al Czervik
04-29-2019, 10:48 AM
If I changed my avatar to "moron" would it make you feel better?

If you’re brand new to aviation and you’re ready to strike you’re always welcome here. We currently have a bunch of old guys that are mission hackers (not all) that won’t wear a lanyard because it flops around and lands in their salad. Sorry, rant over.

PRS Guitars
04-29-2019, 01:32 PM
I'm serious, I mean I'm brand new to aviation. Apparently it's something pretty obvious so I'll just pretend like I know what's going on.

I saw your thread in the career forum, so Iím guessing you are legitimately new and will answer your question. And yes, great avatar, you are welcome here.

This industry is seniority based. So each airline has a seniority list, mostly itís based on the day you were hired, but lots of exceptions to that (from mergers). Anyway, the most senior guy...number 1 on the list was theoretically hired the longest time ago on the list...78í at AA. He gets first pick of equipment to fly, where to be based, schedule, gets to bang newhireís wives:eek: (only in his own mind), etc. the next senior guy is number 2, he gets to choose from whatís leftover. This goes on through the entire list (about 15,000 at AA) the newest guy was hired last week and has the highest seniority number.

Your seniority will have a huge impact on your QOL and earnings, one number can make a huge difference.

The numbers posted earlier are the number of the Jr guy in each base. Iím too lazy to look them up but they were mostly hired within the last few months.

Kevin
04-29-2019, 02:26 PM
I saw your thread in the career forum, so Iím guessing you are legitimately new and will answer your question. And yes, great avatar, you are welcome here.

This industry is seniority based. So each airline has a seniority list, mostly itís based on the day you were hired, but lots of exceptions to that (from mergers). Anyway, the most senior guy...number 1 on the list was theoretically hired the longest time ago on the list...78í at AA. He gets first pick of equipment to fly, where to be based, schedule, gets to bang newhireís wives:eek: (only in his own mind), etc. the next senior guy is number 2, he gets to choose from whatís leftover. This goes on through the entire list (about 15,000 at AA) the newest guy was hired last week and has the highest seniority number.

Your seniority will have a huge impact on your QOL and earnings, one number can make a huge difference.

The numbers posted earlier are the number of the Jr guy in each base. Iím too lazy to look them up but they were mostly hired within the last few months.

Thank you so much!

Warhawg01
04-29-2019, 06:10 PM
Ok. Iíll bite.

If you are so new that you donít know what a seniority number is, why exactly are you ready to strike? For what?

My curiosity is overruling my troll indicator, so you have that going for you.

Kevin
04-29-2019, 10:20 PM
Ok. Iíll bite.

If you are so new that you donít know what a seniority number is, why exactly are you ready to strike? For what?

My curiosity is overruling my troll indicator, so you have that going for you.

Training and a career in aviation. I've been getting a lot of crap for this avatar, is it meant to mean something?

Warhawg01
04-29-2019, 10:39 PM
Umm... itís your avatar...you picked it...and you are asking me ďwhat it means?Ē

Al Czervik
04-30-2019, 01:33 AM
Training and a career in aviation. I've been getting a lot of crap for this avatar, is it meant to mean something?

It means youíre a cobra on reserve. Ready to strike with that short call assignment!

Dobbs18
04-30-2019, 04:24 AM
Training and a career in aviation. I've been getting a lot of crap for this avatar, is it meant to mean something?

There are just a lot of trolls/media types on here that are digging for some "inside" info sometimes, so some of us can pick up on this pretty easily. You kind of checked some of the boxes a little bit. But what PBS told you is correct, good luck in your training and young career.

Kevin
04-30-2019, 10:02 AM
Umm... itís your avatar...you picked it...and you are asking me ďwhat it means?Ē

I told you what the avatar means to ME, I asked what the avatar meant to the rest of the forums because there clearly was a separate meaning I was unaware of.

ORDinary
04-30-2019, 11:21 AM
I told you what the avatar means to ME, I asked what the avatar meant to the rest of the forums because there clearly was a separate meaning I was unaware of.

Have you never heard of unions? You don't have to have any aviation experience to know anything about labor history.

blastoff
04-30-2019, 01:14 PM
I told you what the avatar means to ME, I asked what the avatar meant to the rest of the forums because there clearly was a separate meaning I was unaware of.

There is only one meaning for your Avatar in this industry. Maybe you should change it until you understand it, otherwise itís very weird for you to make people think youíre ďready to strikeĒ when you donít understand the basics of unionism in this industry. (Your avatar was created and spread by union workers)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strike_action

Kevin
04-30-2019, 02:29 PM
Have you never heard of unions? You don't have to have any aviation experience to know anything about labor history.

This is the last time I'm going to respond because this tangent is useless and taking away from the original post. I just didn't know the "strike" meant protest, I was military oriented prior to pursuing a career in commercial aviation. Anyway, I changed my avatar and hopefully order can be brought upon this thread.

Al Czervik
04-30-2019, 04:19 PM
Kevin goes from “ready to strike” to Sam Rothstein. Seems like a good dude to me.

Cheddar
04-30-2019, 04:56 PM
How can anyone even see his avatar? Am I that old???


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Al Czervik
04-30-2019, 05:18 PM
How can anyone even see his avatar? Am I that old???


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Ditch the flip phone Grandpa

Cheddar
05-01-2019, 04:11 AM
Ditch the flip phone Grandpa


But itís paid for!!!

But really, the damn avatars are so small on my iPhone 3G.


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