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donpizmeov2
12-02-2018, 05:52 AM
How's QOL in Sunny? Easy commutable rosters? Friendly approach to problem solving?


Mciflyboy
12-02-2018, 07:43 AM
Nope. Not commutable friendly at all. I think itís insane that some try and commute for this airline. Reserve days are only 10 off in a 30 day month and 11 in a 31 day month.

With that being said though, they are trying to push for new pilot bases. But most pilots are against this . No idea why because itís the only way they are going to grow . A new contract is most likely around the corner with the troubles they are having hiring.

If you live in msp itís a great gig though

donpizmeov2
12-03-2018, 03:21 AM
Thanks and what are the mj improvements in the new contracts if any? And what's the current hiring rate vs new pilot requirements?
How is the expansion real or just a figment of imagination?


ecam
12-08-2018, 06:44 AM
What's everyone think of Jude over there? Holding employee confidence?

42jeff
12-10-2018, 02:23 PM
Just talked to a recruiter there today. Guess theyíre looking at bringing in 10 new aircraft next year also. Would be interested in hearing how new hires there are feeling about the place.

beech1980
12-10-2018, 04:33 PM
Just talked to a recruiter there today. Guess theyíre looking at bringing in 10 new aircraft next year also. Would be interested in hearing how new hires there are feeling about the place.

That recruiter has no idea what is going on. He is probably told to say crap like that. Itís the only way they can recruit. Management said they werenít able to hire as many pilots in 2018 as they planned. From what management is telling the pilots there are a limited number of upgrades and only hiring to cover attrition.

I think a net zero gain in aircraft as well as they are getting rid of the -700ís and retrofitting all the -800ís with 183 seats, an on board WiFi based entertainment system and power in seats.

Retaining is their problem. Pay and benefits at half of other LCCís and majors will eat them alive. The disconnect on the pulse of the industry is scary.

Buyer Beware
12-10-2018, 08:16 PM
Just talked to a recruiter there today. Guess they’re looking at bringing in 10 new aircraft next year also. Would be interested in hearing how new hires there are feeling about the place.

Can confirm, a little comical from the recruiter. All recruiters can develop a touch of selective amnesia when it helps their metrics.

Beech nailed it, word from the insiders is that there will be no growth upgrades in 2019. Which is vastly different from a few months ago.

-You may also want to ask the recruiter about the new hire fail rate over the last few months.

3rdGen
12-11-2018, 05:59 AM
Can confirm, a little comical from the recruiter. All recruiters can develop a touch of selective amnesia when it helps their metrics.

Beech nailed it, word from the insiders is that there will be no growth upgrades in 2019. Which is vastly different from a few months ago.


-You may also want to ask the recruiter about the new hire fail rate over the last few months.

The training for me, was one of the easiest training. From day 1 to my IOE it was 2 months. You get what you put in, if you choose to slack off and not study, you are going to suffer, you are paid to study during training, nothing else should be on your mind during that point. It is not the instructors jobs to hold your hand and tell you step by step how you should fly. You need to know flows, procedures, limitations and knowledge of systems, if you can not do that, then you have no business flying a jet. Instructors will help you if you are having a difficult time. Really not that hard, study study study.

42jeff
12-11-2018, 09:31 AM
The training for me, was one of the easiest training. From day 1 to my IOE it was 2 months. You get what you put in, if you choose to slack off and not study, you are going to suffer, you are paid to study during training, nothing else should be on your mind during that point. It is not the instructors jobs to hold your hand and tell you step by step how you should fly. You need to know flows, procedures, limitations and knowledge of systems, if you can not do that, then you have no business flying a jet. Instructors will help you if you are having a difficult time. Really not that hard, study study study.

I read something somewhere about the training but not sure of the source. Was hotel paid for? Min guarantee during training?

Starlifter
12-11-2018, 09:51 AM
I read something somewhere about the training but not sure of the source. Was hotel paid for? Min guarantee during training?

No hotel. 75hrs during year one including training.

Mciflyboy
12-11-2018, 12:14 PM
The training for me, was one of the easiest training. From day 1 to my IOE it was 2 months. You get what you put in, if you choose to slack off and not study, you are going to suffer, you are paid to study during training, nothing else should be on your mind during that point. It is not the instructors jobs to hold your hand and tell you step by step how you should fly. You need to know flows, procedures, limitations and knowledge of systems, if you can not do that, then you have no business flying a jet. Instructors will help you if you are having a difficult time. Really not that hard, study study study.

I second this . Iím not sure why everyone keeps going back to this point , saying their training program is tough.

If youve been through any other 121 training program, and got through without major issues, I donít see why you cannot get through their training.

The manuals, training material etc isnít perfect , but even they admit to it and are constantly making changes .

Now if your coming from a non 121 environment (cfi,135 etc) I can maybe see where you would have troubles .

PSFT
12-13-2018, 03:43 PM
How much can one expect to fly on reserve? Obviously not many days off, but how many days do you get used?

Starlifter
12-13-2018, 04:21 PM
How much can one expect to fly on reserve? Obviously not many days off, but how many days do you get used?

I would say this varies greatly. I know some who are rarely used and others used often. Some of the variance is due to seasonal peaks and valleys and some of the variance is unexplainable. All of this may be OBE as the number of reserves on call have been reduced greatly.
I believe once the fleet has been fully refurbed ~mid Feb, we might get a better grasp of reserve usage That being said, March typically has lines between 80-90 blk hours so reserve usage then could peak.

YMMV

Noisy1
12-13-2018, 04:58 PM
Sun Country is very dependent on seasonal flying, so winter is the busy season. March is all sorts of crazy with college basketball charter. Summer is pretty slow. How much you fly is very dependent on the month. Reserves do a lot of charter flying.

A typical military charter might be a 2.5 hour deadhead (100% pay) and a :40 minute taxi rice (unpaid) to get into position where you sit for 29 hours. Then, you fly a 3.0 hour leg that departs at 2 AM out of Charleston and arrives in Fort Collins at 3 AM. You then take a :40 minute (unpaid) cab to Denver and go into rest for 14 hours and then take a 1.75 hour deadhead (100% paid) back to MSP the evening of day three. I bring this up because it is hard to understand what this means from outside looking in and it highlights the difference between Sun Country and a typical regional flying life going hub to hub. You just did a three day reserve trip with 7.25 hours of pay, the rig will bump that up some closer to 11:00 hours. But, you only flew 3.0 over three days.

If you get saddled with this kind of flying - and you might well as a reserve - you might fly 18 hours and work 18 days for 66 hours credit. You can be sure you will never break guarantee, so 75 hours pay (at least year one).

PSFT
12-13-2018, 06:14 PM
Thanks for the responses. Seems like an interesting gig that could mix up the routine.

Noisy1
12-13-2018, 07:43 PM
The flying and the crews are great. I really love the mix of military charter, sports charter, casino flying and scheduled service. Not a lot of places you can fly that will rotate through all of that stuff so regularly. Never bored!

speedbird618
12-13-2018, 08:13 PM
Do Sun Country conduct new hire training during the busy winter season, I thought I read somewhere that all the instructors fly when it is busy. If so when does the hiring start again. Thanks, happy holidays.

Noisy1
12-13-2018, 08:45 PM
The latest all-pilot-call stated they were going to stop for a month. Can't remember, but likely March as it is our busiest month. Otherwise, the plan is to continue hiring to meet attrition. The company is not meeting hiring targets, so there is likely room in class.

Bwipilot
12-14-2018, 03:53 PM
If youve been through any other 121 training program, and got through without major issues, I don’t see why you cannot get through their training.

The manuals, training material etc isn’t perfect , but even they admit to it and are constantly making changes .

Now if your coming from a non 121 environment (cfi,135 etc) I can maybe see where you would have troubles .

All good points. . . Except that some companies work to avoid failing anyone during training--while others have no problem busting pilots since that is a good retention tool in lieu competitive compensation.

Pull and Rotate
12-14-2018, 04:08 PM
All good points. . . Except that some companies work to avoid failing anyone during training--while others have no problem busting pilots since that is a good retention tool in lieu competitive compensation.

From what I understand they have been very generous with extra training and assistance to those who have struggled. It's not like they are trying to purposefully bust someone. In fact, they aren't "retaining" the ones who can't make it. So there goes your theory...



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