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boeingdvr
12-07-2018, 09:22 AM
We are hiring !! Need all the bodies we can find. Come on over, the water is warm.

- 21 day trips around the world. If you want, you can bid back to back for 40 days on the road.
- 4.85 trip rig ( not per day ) half day = half pay.
- Day / night patterns
- day sleeping
- ready reserve from 3am - 9am ( no sleep rooms )
- Union Assement of $50 bucks a month mandatory
- 5 year upgrade on 767
- 1 year upgrade on 737 ( all nighters all the time ) 20 hours a month flying. Need 1k pic before upgrade.
- not a time building airline.
- Min guaranteed 62 hours.
- vacation & training months 62 hours. No way to break 62 unless working on days off
- DH to Asia on the 747 ( 4.85 ) hours of pay
- Atlas has deal with AA and Delta for ultra deep discounted fares. Not easy to accrue points and miles now.
- Most hotels crew member doesn't keep points.
- Plan on 1600 per month for first 5 months as new hire.
- OT is seniority based. New hires rarely get OT.

- We need all hands on deck. Come on over !!


nitefr8dog
12-07-2018, 09:28 AM
We are hiring !! Need all the bodies we can find. Come on over, the water is warm.

- 21 day trips around the world. If you want, you can bid back to back for 40 days on the road.
- 4.85 trip rig ( not per day ) half day = half pay.
- Day / night patterns
- day sleeping
- ready reserve from 3am - 9am ( no sleep rooms )
- Union Assement of $50 bucks a month mandatory
- 5 year upgrade on 767
- 1 year upgrade on 737 ( all nighters all the time ) 20 hours a month flying. Need 1k pic before upgrade.
- not a time building airline.
- Min guaranteed 62 hours.
- vacation & training months 62 hours. No way to break 62 unless working on days off
- DH to Asia on the 747 ( 4.85 ) hours of pay
- Atlas has deal with AA and Delta for ultra deep discounted fares. Not easy to accrue points and miles now.
- Most hotels crew member doesn't keep points.
- Plan on 1600 per month for first 5 months as new hire.
- OT is seniority based. New hires rarely get OT.

- We need all hands on deck. Come on over !!
Reading that sounds like as much fun as shoving a pencil through your eardrum...sounds alot like working at ABX

JohnBurke
12-07-2018, 09:55 AM
We are hiring !! Need all the bodies we can find. Come on over, the water is warm.

- 21 day trips around the world. If you want, you can bid back to back for 40 days on the road.
- 4.85 trip rig ( not per day ) half day = half pay.
- Day / night patterns
- day sleeping
- ready reserve from 3am - 9am ( no sleep rooms )
- Union Assement of $50 bucks a month mandatory
- 5 year upgrade on 767
- 1 year upgrade on 737 ( all nighters all the time ) 20 hours a month flying. Need 1k pic before upgrade.
- not a time building airline.
- Min guaranteed 62 hours.
- vacation & training months 62 hours. No way to break 62 unless working on days off
- DH to Asia on the 747 ( 4.85 ) hours of pay
- Atlas has deal with AA and Delta for ultra deep discounted fares. Not easy to accrue points and miles now.
- Most hotels crew member doesn't keep points.
- Plan on 1600 per month for first 5 months as new hire.
- OT is seniority based. New hires rarely get OT.

- We need all hands on deck. Come on over !!

That was tongue in cheek and meant to turn people away, right?

If not, you might want to reassess the selling points.


Jurassic Jet
12-07-2018, 10:34 AM
That was tongue in cheek and meant to turn people away, right?

If not, you might want to reassess the selling points.


Your sarcasm detector needs a shot of deice fluid. :D

LotsaTypes
12-07-2018, 10:38 AM
Yep....the water is fine!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=An55GOPXn_M

RyeMex
12-07-2018, 11:12 AM
I thought the requirement was that you couldnít recruit for the company unless you hadnít started OE yet?

Reactivity
12-07-2018, 11:50 AM
Yep....the water is fine!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=An55GOPXn_M

Is she part of the deal?

Birdsmash
12-07-2018, 01:39 PM
Awesome! Southern is getting 747s back and adding 767s? Pretty soon we will be bigger than Atlas. Lol

boeingdvr
12-07-2018, 01:55 PM
Awesome! Southern is getting 747s back and adding 767s? Pretty soon we will be bigger than Atlas. Lol

Yes! Southern is the place to be. We also have same pay scale for years 1-4 on the FO side.

But it doesn't matter. You will be a captain in 2 years. Lol. The only problem. You need 1k PIC. @ 20 hours a month. You do the math

MySaabStory
12-07-2018, 02:34 PM
Is the international DH business or better?

Twin Wasp
12-07-2018, 02:55 PM
- vacation & training months 62 hours. No way to break 62 unless working on days off


You left out call in sick for three days and you're down to guarantee.

boeingdvr
12-07-2018, 03:31 PM
You left out call in sick for three days and you're down to guarantee.

Yes. Oh- 75 hour line. They put you on R1. 62 hours BITACHES

CCpounder
12-07-2018, 03:44 PM
Yes! Southern is the place to be. We also have same pay scale for years 1-4 on the FO side.

But it doesn't matter. You will be a captain in 2 years. Lol. The only problem. You need 1k PIC. @ 20 hours a month. You do the math


Pretty sure itís 1000 PIC, OR 1500 SIC, with 500 at the company

boeingdvr
12-07-2018, 03:45 PM
Is the international DH business or better?

When they commercial you, it's BIZ class. However, seeing we are a global airline. I would say MAYBE once or twice a year you will get BIZ class intl. Otherwise, it's a freighter for you, and no you won't be getting that bunk- that's for the operating crew.

boeingdvr
12-07-2018, 03:48 PM
Pretty sure itís 1000 PIC, OR 1500 SIC, with 500 at the company

We do need bodies ! One great advantage, once we merge the seniority lists, all the junior southern captains on the 737, have the opportunity of being bumped from their seats for senior Atlas Pilots.

Come on over. We need pilots. Come get your 62 hours while it's hot !!!

CCpounder
12-07-2018, 03:56 PM
We do need bodies ! One great advantage, once we merge the seniority lists, all the junior southern captains on the 737, have the opportunity of being bumped from their seats for senior Atlas Pilots.

Come on over. We need pilots. Come get your 62 hours while it's hot !!!


Welcome to the airlines

thesandbox
12-07-2018, 04:07 PM
Welcome to the airlines


What's up Charlie?

boeingdvr
12-07-2018, 04:07 PM
Welcome to the airlines

Eh. I don't know about that. Delta, FedEx, UPS, United, SWA, AA, Alaska, Spirit, Frontier, Hawaiian, K4, OMNI, and most the of regionals- All seem to have new CBA's. In fact, Delta and AA are ready for their next CBA, and I've been told the 777 will go for 400 an hour.

I'm sure Atlas and Southern are days away !! Come on. We need bodies !! 80 bucks an hour an 62 hours a month !!

boeingdvr
12-07-2018, 04:07 PM
What's up Charlie?

My thoughts

CCpounder
12-07-2018, 04:22 PM
Eh. I don't know about that. Delta, FedEx, UPS, United, SWA, AA, Alaska, Spirit, Frontier, Hawaiian, K4, OMNI, and most the of regionals- All seem to have new CBA's. In fact, Delta and AA are ready for their next CBA, and I've been told the 777 will go for 400 an hour.

I'm sure Atlas and Southern are days away !! Come on. We need bodies !! 80 bucks an hour an 62 hours a month !!


In all honesty, not trying to be a d*ck, whatís keeping you here? Iím all for people leaving / not getting hired to show Atlas management how badly we need a new contract. This is night and day from my last job doing Ad-Hoc cargo though, so Iím pretty content for the time being

boeingdvr
12-07-2018, 04:25 PM
One more point !

We have these really great trips.

Day 1:
1230am wake up call. 330am departure.
CVG-STL-XXX. Land at 8am.
Sleep ( airport hotel )
Day 2 ( really day 1 ) 6pm Wakeup call.
XXX-STL-CVG. Arrive @ 2am.
Day 3. See day 1
Day 4. See day 2
Day 5-9999. See Day 1.

The trips are really sweet. You show up in the middle of the night after being awake all day. Fly 1-3 legs. Sleep in the middle of the day, and repeat. For your entire time on the 737!!!

boeingdvr
12-07-2018, 04:36 PM
In all honesty, not trying to be a d*ck, whatís keeping you here? Iím all for people leaving / not getting hired to show Atlas management how badly we need a new contract. This is night and day from my last job doing Ad-Hoc cargo though, so Iím pretty content for the time being

I'm here for the catering, the night flying, the min pay, the lowest pay in the industry, the constant schedule changes, the imputed income, R3 at the hub @
3am, the non GPS, non CPDLC ocean flying, the HAZMAT, 1am wakeups, and beers with my buds.


How about you ?

ps2sunvalley
12-07-2018, 04:42 PM
I'm here for the catering, the night flying, the min pay, the lowest pay in the industry, the constant schedule changes, the imputed income, R3 at the hub @
3am, the non GPS, non CPDLC ocean flying, the HAZMAT, 1am wakeups, and beers with my buds.


How about you ?

Sounds like military strategic airlift. Just kidding, we have GPS, and CPDLC works most of the time.

boeingdvr
12-07-2018, 04:44 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FswmNSov_JY

CCpounder
12-07-2018, 04:45 PM
I'm here for the catering, the night flying, the min pay, the lowest pay in the industry, the constant schedule changes, the imputed income, R3 at the hub @
3am, the non GPS, non CPDLC ocean flying, the HAZMAT, 1am wakeups, and beers with my buds.

How about you ?


Iím here because I was tired of doing 28+ hour duty days with only 6-8 hours of block time, loading my own 20,000-30,000lbs of freight, no catering, less pay, flying with a Trimble GPS, on call 24/7 with a 20 minute show time, paying for my own crash pad, and a few other minor things. I didnít have the time for big K or other cargo operations and I didnít wanna go back to pax flying. So I guess you can say this was my only option. I donít regret my decision. I like flying around the world and getting paid to do it. Could it be better? Of course, but, I know it could be much worse

useless
12-07-2018, 04:58 PM
Flying around the world can be lonely enough without alienating yourself from all your coworkers.

Luckily the 73 doesn't fly around the world. It only goes about 60į left and right.

Lawn Boy
12-07-2018, 07:54 PM
Pretty sure itís 1000 PIC, OR 1500 SIC, with 500 at the company

And also 2500 hrs in group II aircraft, iirc.

Elevation
12-08-2018, 01:03 AM
I think guys are responding to the new recruiting ads on this site. I also used to fly single pilot freight and do a lot of loading and unloading. We've probably been to a number of same places, etc. Of course, so have a lot of other guys. I think most of us have much more in common than we think.

CandlerKid
12-08-2018, 05:04 AM
Not directed at anybody here, but just a general observation from my time at Atlas. We all worked crappy jobs at some point. If you want a better contract you need to be looking across the ramp at the other international widebody pilots and asking “why don’t I make as much as they do flying the same plane?” not looking at the C208 and thinking “man this is better than that!” 90% get it and are doing everything they can for a new contract but it’s an uphill battle convincing some there that they are worth more (see pre-OE 737 pilots for example). Frustrating to hear if you’re going there hoping for a new CBA and have it be the final career stop.

boeingdvr
12-08-2018, 05:35 AM
Not directed at anybody here, but just a general observation from my time at Atlas. We all worked crappy jobs at some point. If you want a better contract you need to be looking across the ramp at the other international widebody pilots and asking ďwhy donít I make as much as they do flying the same plane?Ē not looking at the C208 and thinking ďman this is better than that!Ē 90% get it and are doing everything they can for a new contract but itís an uphill battle convincing some there that they are worth more (see pre-OE 737 pilots for example). Frustrating to hear if youíre going there hoping for a new CBA and have it be the final career stop.

Winner Winner.

WhipWhitaker
12-08-2018, 06:55 AM
Not directed at anybody here, but just a general observation from my time at Atlas. We all worked crappy jobs at some point. If you want a better contract you need to be looking across the ramp at the other international widebody pilots and asking ďwhy donít I make as much as they do flying the same plane?Ē not looking at the C208 and thinking ďman this is better than that!Ē 90% get it and are doing everything they can for a new contract but itís an uphill battle convincing some there that they are worth more (see pre-OE 737 pilots for example). Frustrating to hear if youíre going there hoping for a new CBA and have it be the final career stop.

All very good points. I would venture a guess that not a single person coming to Atlas/Southern these days comes with the intention of staying as their, ďfinal career stop.Ē We will/have become the regionals of the freight world.

CandlerKid
12-08-2018, 09:43 AM
All very good points. I would venture a guess that not a single person coming to Atlas/Southern these days comes with the intention of staying as their, ďfinal career stop.Ē We will/have become the regionals of the freight world.

Sad but true. Hoping for the best for the people who have been hearing that nightmare wake up call noise for years and years and deserve to get paid.

boeingdvr
12-10-2018, 07:15 AM
Based on new numbers and what I've been hearing from fellow pilots. A new hire today would be lucky to see 767 Captain in 6 years.

There are nearly 250 767 FO's in the 3-4 year mark waiting for their slots. There is currently no more 767 growth.

iropman
12-10-2018, 01:07 PM
I have a CJO and class date for Southern, but wondering what realistic upgrade time might look like? In the presentation they said about 1 1/2 yrs... But is that current news or old? I currently have over 1,000 hrs 121 from another carrier to fill that requirement.

I also have a CJO from another 121 operation that operates DC9's and they have indicated that I would be able to upgrade within a couple months after finishing OE.

Pluses and minuses to both jobs from my vantage point. Trying to figure out which one to take.

boeingdvr
12-10-2018, 01:12 PM
I have a CJO and class date for Southern, but wondering what realistic upgrade time might look like? In the presentation they said about 1 1/2 yrs... But is that current news or old? I currently have over 1,000 hrs 121 from another carrier to fill that requirement.

I also have a CJO from another 121 operation that operates DC9's and they have indicated that I would be able to upgrade within a couple months after finishing OE.

Pluses and minuses to both jobs from my vantage point. Trying to figure out which one to take.

We need all bodies. Our last new hire class had 2 people in it. That should tell you what you need to hear.

Upgrade could happen quick- but once we merge the seniority lists with Atlas, you're very likely to get bumped down to junior RSV FO.

Come on over !

iropman
12-10-2018, 01:41 PM
We need all bodies. Our last new hire class had 2 people in it. That should tell you what you need to hear.

Upgrade could happen quick- but once we merge the seniority lists with Atlas, you're very likely to get bumped down to junior RSV FO.

Come on over !


I was told once before that "upgrade could happen quick." Now upgrade is at 2 years from date of hire.

Back it up and show me that upgrade is currently happening 5-6 months after hire date (for those with 121 time to upgrade) and I'll gladly come over.

The only other downside for me is the training pay. Ouch! but I can suck that up if the quick upgrade is a reality

Sailfish234
12-10-2018, 02:01 PM
We need all bodies. Our last new hire class had 2 people in it. That should tell you what you need to hear.

Upgrade could happen quick- but once we merge the seniority lists with Atlas, you're very likely to get bumped down to junior RSV FO.

Come on over !

What you should be curious about is WHY only 2 people showed up. Do some homework on what is going on with Atlas/Southern. The recruiters will paint everything as sunshine and unicorns. Trust me it is far from the truth.

RyeMex
12-10-2018, 02:24 PM
I have a CJO and class date for Southern, but wondering what realistic upgrade time might look like? In the presentation they said about 1 1/2 yrs... But is that current news or old? I currently have over 1,000 hrs 121 from another carrier to fill that requirement.

I also have a CJO from another 121 operation that operates DC9's and they have indicated that I would be able to upgrade within a couple months after finishing OE.

Pluses and minuses to both jobs from my vantage point. Trying to figure out which one to take.

Recruiters at Atlas told me that Iíd be a captain in 2 years. Iím now a 3rd year FO and at least another 2 years away from an upgrade. Be very suspicious about what any recruiter promises you.

If you canít survive on FO pay for at least 4-5 years, Iíd look elsewhere.

WhipWhitaker
12-10-2018, 02:37 PM
Recruiters at Atlas told me that Iíd be a captain in 2 years. Iím now a 3rd year FO and at least another 2 years away from an upgrade. Be very suspicious about what any recruiter promises you.

If you canít survive on FO pay for at least 4-5 years, Iíd look elsewhere.


^ For those trying to make an informed decision, all this is correct. Upgrade on every fleet besides the 73 is 5+ years (assuming no growth, which is the safest assumption.) First year 50hr guarantee hurts, that being said, I spent 3 months of this year on 1st year pay, remainder on 2nd year pay and will just miss 100k by the end of December, plus another $11,500 in per diem. I did 1 extra trip, live in base. If you donít live in base, the 17 days gets long or longer quick, be aware.

121guy
12-10-2018, 03:43 PM
We need all bodies. Our last new hire class had 2 people in it. That should tell you what you need to hear.

Upgrade could happen quick- but once we merge the seniority lists with Atlas, you're very likely to get bumped down to junior RSV FO.

Come on over !

I bet theyíre gambling on being seat protected if they can get in to upgrade class before the merger happens.

iropman
12-10-2018, 06:06 PM
^ For those trying to make an informed decision, all this is correct. Upgrade on every fleet besides the 73 is 5+ years (assuming no growth, which is the safest assumption.) First year 50hr guarantee hurts, that being said, I spent 3 months of this year on 1st year pay, remainder on 2nd year pay and will just miss 100k by the end of December, plus another $11,500 in per diem. I did 1 extra trip, live in base. If you donít live in base, the 17 days gets long or longer quick, be aware.


You must not be on the 737...
Still would like to know when the most junior captain was hired with Southern flying the 737 side.

thesandbox
12-10-2018, 06:12 PM
you'll need 1)2500 on larger group II a/c 41,000lb or more AND 1000PIC on those a/c or... 2)1500hr on those a/c and 500 as SIC at the company....and that will take you about 2 1/2 -3 years based on flying about 20-30 hr a month if you hold a line. If you come on with their hiring mins and haven't flown a larger aircraft then as you see you are looking at 5-7 years....with no pay raise until year 4.

atpcliff
12-10-2018, 06:33 PM
If you want some specific info, or have specific questions, feel free to contact me.

My opinion only:
737: The pay is so pitiful, I don't see how this makes sense. Maybe if you need a 737 type rating relatively soon...
767: The pay is terrible, especially for a 767. IF you live in CVG, or want to move there, then you can be home for a lot of nights, IF you do the DHL hub flying. If you can hold JFK, you can do a lot of pax flying all over the world.
777: The pay is awful (better than terrible). You go to about 6 destinations...over and over and over. You don't fly much.

WhipWhitaker
12-10-2018, 06:56 PM
You must not be on the 737...
Still would like to know when the most junior captain was hired with Southern flying the 737 side.

I am definitely not, however, looking at their seniority list...the JR 73 CA has a DOH of 06/17.



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