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Kilroy
12-11-2018, 05:21 AM
Hey guys been out of the GA side of Aviaiton for a lot of years. Currently a airbus driver in the 121 world and was thinking about getting back into the GA side for fun in a Cessna 310. Was woundering (for legal reason only, not safety) technically Iím legal to fly a Cessna 310 without any check outs or flight instruction received if I was bold enough to just jump in one and fly since itís the same category and class?


JohnBurke
12-11-2018, 06:05 AM
Hey guys been out of the GA side of Aviaiton for a lot of years. Currently a airbus driver in the 121 world and was thinking about getting back into the GA side for fun in a Cessna 310. Was woundering (for legal reason only, not safety) technically Iím legal to fly a Cessna 310 without any check outs or flight instruction received if I was bold enough to just jump in one and fly since itís the same category and class?

That's really completely unrelated to this thread. Your question is a legal one as asked, though in reality it's safety related, and should be in it's own thread.

If you are legal insofar as currency in category and class (landings), you're legal to fly the airplane.

If you are not familiar, you should seek the necessary checkout, and you should treat it the same as the airbus you're flying now. It's sometimes said that a Piper Cub will still kill you, just a bit more slowly (which is not always true); the 310 will kill you just as the airbus...but faster. Understand the fuel system, understand the limitations, understand that Vmca is critical and the ability to get there easier and faster than in the Airbus, and you don't have second segment performance that you can depend on in the airbus. All likely familiar, but if you're not current in light airplanes or checked out in the airplane with recent experience, easy to get you in trouble, too.

Remember that in the airbus, you're looking for a return to the runway with an engine out. In the 310, depending on circumstance, you may not have that option. The 310 does better than many light twins on one engine, but it's still a light twin; if you're not current or checked out, approach it seriously, get the checkout and know the airplane.

Read the thread; your question has absolutely nothing to do with the subject.

rickair7777
12-11-2018, 07:46 AM
As JB said, this technically belongs in legal, but is really a safety topic.

You're legal in any non-jet AMEL which doesn't require type specific-training (ie MU-2).

61.56(d)(1) gets you out of the FR.

You will need the landings per part 61, but you can count landings in the bus.

If flying in the system you will also need instrument currency per part 61. You can be legal to fly an airliner but at the same time not instrument current in GA.


It would be a very bad idea safety-wise, and a very, very bad idea if you have no previous time in type.

Also no insurance would cover that, and no FBO would rent it to you. So you'd need a friend who owns one, and doesn't care that his insurance would not be valid.


67Creek
12-11-2018, 08:45 AM
The answer is "yes".

Flying Boxes
12-11-2018, 01:01 PM
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If flying in the system you will also need instrument currency per part 61. You can be legal to fly an airliner but at the same time not instrument current in GA.

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Please elaborate on this!?

viper548
12-12-2018, 11:37 AM
Please elaborate on this!?
If it's been more than 6 months since your last time in the sim AND you haven't logged 6 instrument approaches, holding, etc. then you wouldn't be current.

PerfInit
12-12-2018, 03:41 PM
Several years ago I investigated a Baron BE-55 hard landing accident that resultd in no injuries but Substantial damage. Turns out both pilots were currently flying for a 121 airline. The PIC just bought it and was letting his buddy fly it. His buddy flew an approach speed that was familiar to him (way too fast for a Baron). Flared high, bounced hard and then ďforced itĒ to stay on the ground.

The moral is, please get some transition training from a competent instructor that has recent time in type. Please donít think that you can just step into an unfamiliar aircraft and ďknowĒ how to fly it.

4V14T0R
12-12-2018, 07:02 PM
Did basically everyone here NOT read what this guy/gal said. He/She specifically stated legal and in parens not safety. If he/she has the awareness to state this, canít we just answer the question as asked without giving a lecture stating reasons that this person probably is already aware.

End lecture.

To answer the question, yes you would be legal assuming youíve managed 3 takeoffs and landings in 90 days in the Airbus.


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joepilot
12-12-2018, 08:07 PM
Did basically everyone here NOT read what this guy/gal said. He/She specifically stated legal and in parens not safety. If he/she has the awareness to state this, canít we just answer the question as asked without giving a lecture stating reasons that this person probably is already aware.

End lecture.

To answer the question, yes you would be legal assuming youíve managed 3 takeoffs and landings in 90 days in the Airbus.


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Note: Part 121 pilots are not required to maintain night currency to fly at night. All other pilots are required to maintain night currency to fly at night.

Joe

JohnBurke
12-13-2018, 12:41 AM
Did basically everyone here NOT read what this guy/gal said. He/She specifically stated legal and in parens not safety. If he/she has the awareness to state this, canít we just answer the question as asked without giving a lecture stating reasons that this person probably is already aware.

End lecture.


Take your counsel and read the replies, which you clearly haven't.

Or you simply read and didn't understand. It doesn't matter.

We've replied that yes, he's legal to do it, but that he needs the checkout anyway.

Now you've just stated that the original poster told us he's legal, and we should have read and understood this. The original poster didn't say that, at all. In fact, he asked if he's legal. The question has been addressed.

You don't get to put words in our mouths or limit the scope of what we have to say, and it's unfortunate for you, perhaps, that we haven't parroted the words you think we should have said. Gotta love the thought police.

To recap, as you've missed it:
I said the original poster is legal.
Rickair7777 said the original poster is legal.
67Creek said the original poster is legal.
You chimed in to say he's legal.

The original poster has received pointed counsel that didn't ask or care if the original poster is aware, reminding him that while he may. be legal to jump in the light twin and go, it may not be a good idea. Most of us are keenly aware of mishaps and fatalities resulting from pilots doing exactly what the original poster proposes, and felt, in our own wisdom, inclined to reply that while the original poster is legal, he should get the checkout anyway.

Very good counsel indeed, despite your need to come urinate on it.

TheFly
12-13-2018, 02:12 AM
If no type rating is required for currency (which it isnít), then the short answer is ďyesĒ, itís legal.

Kilroy
12-13-2018, 05:34 AM
This was a 100% hypothetical question. I am going to fly one but with a CFI. No way I would jump in a small plane without a CFI. I was just curious since itís same category and class. Thanks for all the replyís.

TiredSoul
12-13-2018, 07:22 AM
Legal yes.
Buy one and fly one.

USMCmech
12-14-2018, 03:48 PM
Was wondering (for legal reason only, not safety) technically I’m legal to fly a Cessna 310 without any check outs or flight instruction received if I was bold enough to just jump in one and fly since it’s the same category and class?

Despite what many think, there is no such thing as a "checkout" in the eyes of the FAA. If you are rated SEL, MEL you can fly anything that doesn't float and the wings don't spin.

Hop in any airplane not requiring a type (or the MU-2) and fire it right up. Not a safety issue for most fixed gear single engine airplanes, but anything exotic or twins it's not a good idea.

Triva time, what prop airplane over 12,500 doesn't require a type?

Cirrus2turbine
12-14-2018, 04:38 PM
That's really completely unrelated to this thread. Your question is a legal one as asked, though in reality it's safety related, and should be in it's own thread.

If you are legal insofar as currency in category and class (landings), you're legal to fly the airplane.

If you are not familiar, you should seek the necessary checkout, and you should treat it the same as the airbus you're flying now. It's sometimes said that a Piper Cub will still kill you, just a bit more slowly (which is not always true); the 310 will kill you just as the airbus...but faster. Understand the fuel system, understand the limitations, understand that Vmca is critical and the ability to get there easier and faster than in the Airbus, and you don't have second segment performance that you can depend on in the airbus. All likely familiar, but if you're not current in light airplanes or checked out in the airplane with recent experience, easy to get you in trouble, too.

Remember that in the airbus, you're looking for a return to the runway with an engine out. In the 310, depending on circumstance, you may not have that option. The 310 does better than many light twins on one engine, but it's still a light twin; if you're not current or checked out, approach it seriously, get the checkout and know the airplane.

Read the thread; your question has absolutely nothing to do with the subject.

I think he made it clear about safety and check out, etc etc etc. Why do people here feel the need to proselytize on and on about why he shouldn't without a check out. Was a simple question he was asking. What he legal. Yep, you are.

Cirrus2turbine
12-14-2018, 04:39 PM
Did basically everyone here NOT read what this guy/gal said. He/She specifically stated legal and in parens not safety. If he/she has the awareness to state this, canít we just answer the question as asked without giving a lecture stating reasons that this person probably is already aware.

End lecture.

To answer the question, yes you would be legal assuming youíve managed 3 takeoffs and landings in 90 days in the Airbus.


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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Should have seen this before I chimed in, but good on you!

dustrpilot
12-14-2018, 04:42 PM
Despite what many think, there is no such thing as a "checkout" in the eyes of the FAA. If you are rated SEL, MEL you can fly anything that doesn't float and the wings don't spin.

Hop in any airplane not requiring a type (or the MU-2) and fire it right up. Not a safety issue for most fixed gear single engine airplanes, but anything exotic or twins it's not a good idea.

Triva time, what prop airplane over 12,500 doesn't require a type?



An MU-2 requires type specific training under an SFAR to fly it legally.
An AT-802 is a 16500 pound prop plane that can be flown without a type rating


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JamesNoBrakes
12-14-2018, 05:04 PM
Did basically everyone here NOT read what this guy/gal said. He/She specifically stated legal and in parens not safety. If he/she has the awareness to state this, canít we just answer the question as asked without giving a lecture stating reasons that this person probably is already aware.

End lecture.

To answer the question, yes you would be legal assuming youíve managed 3 takeoffs and landings in 90 days in the Airbus.


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Welcome to the internet. You must be new here.

TiredSoul
12-14-2018, 05:49 PM
Light twin ?
Ainít nothing but two singles tied together....

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/P-82_Twin_Mustang.jpg/220px-P-82_Twin_Mustang.jpg

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii120/Duggy009/Duggy009-2/Twin%20Mustang/F-82-test.jpg

http://warbirdsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/4561390081_eb84dc5791_z.jpg

dustrpilot
12-14-2018, 06:39 PM
An MU-2 requires type specific training under an SFAR to fly it legally.
An AT-802 is a 16000 pound prop plane that can be flown without a type rating


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Edit for the weight



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4V14T0R
12-14-2018, 07:12 PM
Welcome to the internet. You must be new here.



[emoji849] Yep.


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JohnBurke
12-14-2018, 09:24 PM
Triva time, what prop airplane over 12,500 doesn't require a type?

Air Tractor 802, for one. 16,000 lbs.

--Just noted that Dustrpilot mentioned the same.