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fly4fun
04-17-2007, 06:00 PM
http://www.jjgrantham.net/Allegiant758.mp3


You have to listen to this idiot in the seaplane (N358FS). If you would like to tell him he is an idiot, here is his web site: http://flyfloatplanes.com/ and here is his e mail: [email protected]

What a moron!!!!!


ryane946
04-17-2007, 06:11 PM
If I were the controller, next time that tail number wants to enter the airspace, I would say:
"N358FS, remain clear of class bravo airspace, that is all!"

yeahbaby
04-17-2007, 06:14 PM
wow, mildly comical but extremely professional controller. could've been handled differently


bluebravo
04-17-2007, 06:16 PM
If I were the controller, next time that tail number wants to enter the airspace, I would say:
"N358FS, remain clear of class bravo airspace, that is all!"

Seriously, grow up.

_____

I am the one who actually discovered that over at liveATC. I knew the incident occurred, and waiting for the archive. The older guy is a retired captain for American or United, can't remember which. There is no excuse for it, what so ever.

gregc9
04-17-2007, 06:28 PM
There is no excuse for it, what so ever.


hey man he's wasting fuel, but he's doing it.:D

Bri85
04-17-2007, 06:29 PM
flying down in florida i hear this all the time over comms. These retirees think they know it all. and what they do is flood the frequencies, sometimes i hear conversations between 2 a/c's if they are going to the burger stop later on. lol

crjav8er
04-17-2007, 06:42 PM
The controller did a fine job, the Seaplane pilot is a tool.

bluebravo
04-17-2007, 06:44 PM
flying down in florida i heard this all the time over comms. These retirees think they know it all. and what they do is flood the frequencies, sometimes i heard conversations between 2 a/c's if they are going to the burger stop later on. lol

Allllll weekend around KAVO, KSBF, KCHN, and even KBOW.Its like, will you guys shut up so I can let people who CARE I'm base to final rnwy 36 on uni.:rolleyes:

oldveedubs
04-17-2007, 07:23 PM
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/showthread.php?t=11354

sgrd0q
04-17-2007, 07:37 PM
Rude, pushy, out of line people do not surprise me. What surprises me is the patience of some controllers.

MD-11Loader
04-17-2007, 08:18 PM
What a douche bag of a pilot. If ATC says get the hell out of their airspace you say yes sir and follow instructions.

C-17driver
04-17-2007, 09:08 PM
Dudes like this give GA a bad name! Amazing! :mad:

HotMamaPilot
04-18-2007, 06:55 AM
just for arguments sake, at least he did follow the vectors; and at the price of gas these days, i can see where the fuel burn might agitate one. he said he was no where near the allegiant bird. atc controllers are still paid by our tax dollars and have a job because of us.....not the other way around. yes, a very professional controller, but i didn't think that the sea plane pilot was out of line. he didn't interfere with allegiant at all.

FliFast
04-18-2007, 08:09 AM
On two occasions I've heard American Airlines pilots tell (1) SoCal in LAX and (2) NY Center southbound towards San juan, how to run their airspace and told ATC how they would be sequenced...probably the same tool...but glad he is retired.

FlyerJosh
04-18-2007, 08:28 AM
just for arguments sake, at least he did follow the vectors; and at the price of gas these days, i can see where the fuel burn might agitate one. he said he was no where near the allegiant bird. atc controllers are still paid by our tax dollars and have a job because of us.....not the other way around. yes, a very professional controller, but i didn't think that the sea plane pilot was out of line. he didn't interfere with allegiant at all.

I have no problem with a pilot questioning a vector or asking about a delay. However I do have a problem with that pilot incessantly coming back, particularly DURING AN EMERGENCY.

There's enough on a controllers plate when they're handling the coordination between the aircraft in distress, company communications, ATC sector communications, coordinating with overlying Class B sectors, CFR coordination, etc.

The airspace around Sanford is Class C airspace. At its widest surface point it's 10 miles across. All this bozo needed to do is get clear, ask for cancellation of services and proceed on his way.

What the controller should have done is say "Attention all aircraft, emergency in progress at Orlando Sanford Airport. Orlando-Sanford Class C airspace is now closed to all non-participating emergency aircraft. Expect vectors to remain clear of the Class C airspace. The airspace will reopen in 15 minutes."

FliFast
04-18-2007, 08:39 AM
I used to fly into Sanford with TransMeridian in the 757 and I applaud the controllers there because of the volume and variety of traffic they control. From 747s to 767s to many Comair Academy planes to helos and anything else with wings, the controllers have their hands full trying to keep the traffic separated. Two other factors, Sanford is in close proximity to Orlando's traffic (mostly jets) and ERAU/FIT training flights so they were never at a loss for traffic.

In addition, with Rwy 9L/9C within what seems to me 200 feet of each other and 9R not too far away, how on Earth they keep student pilots and first-time visitors on the right runway, astounds me. Looking at the TCAS going into SFB is like look at a case of the measels.

Too bad the FAA doesn't follow-up on this rodent.

NoWake200
04-18-2007, 08:55 AM
just for arguments sake, at least he did follow the vectors; and at the price of gas these days, i can see where the fuel burn might agitate one. he said he was no where near the allegiant bird. atc controllers are still paid by our tax dollars and have a job because of us.....not the other way around. yes, a very professional controller, but i didn't think that the sea plane pilot was out of line. he didn't interfere with allegiant at all.

It is called controlled airspace for a reason. If you can not afford the fuel during an "emergency progress" then one should think about not flying.

He said he was no where near the Allegiant Aircraft....who is he to determan this? They could have been on fire or no flap config. doing a high speed approach. Who is more in the know during an emergency the controller or some transitioning light aircraft?

IMHO the Sea Plane pilot was way out of line. If your family was on board an emergancy aircraft and he was tying up the freq. over his "wasteful vector" how would you feel? Only necessary communications should have been going on at that point! What part of emergency in progress do you or the Sea Plane not understand?

HotMamaPilot
04-18-2007, 09:11 AM
It is called controlled airspace for a reason. If you can not afford the fuel during an "emergency progress" then one should think about not flying.

He said he was no where near the Allegiant Aircraft....who is he to determan this? They could have been on fire or no flap config. doing a high speed approach. Who is more in the know during an emergency the controller or some transitioning light aircraft?

IMHO the Sea Plane pilot was way out of line. If your family was on board an emergancy aircraft and he was tying up the freq. over his "wasteful vector" how would you feel? Only necessary communications should have been going on at that point! What part of emergency in progress do you or the Sea Plane not understand?

agree with you, but the controller should have said what flyer josh said, i.e. stay the hell out of my airspace.

WhiteH2O
04-18-2007, 09:35 AM
Just curious, has anyone contacted this guy about this?

NoWake200
04-18-2007, 10:03 AM
agree with you, but the controller should have said what flyer josh said, i.e. stay the hell out of my airspace.

HotMamaPilot, I think the controller did tell him remain clear but he still pushed his way into the airspace and the controller gave in.

At least that is what I got out of it.

HSLD
04-18-2007, 10:11 AM
This guy doesn't miss a beat, now you can pay to help him deliver an airplane!

http://www.seaplanes.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/display.cgi?Index=2828%26search=

HotMamaPilot
04-18-2007, 10:18 AM
just outta curiosity, how did you guys get his email and find out who he is?

SC-7
04-18-2007, 10:25 AM
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=368fs

sgrd0q
04-18-2007, 11:13 AM
just for arguments sake, at least he did follow the vectors; and at the price of gas these days, i can see where the fuel burn might agitate one. he said he was no where near the allegiant bird. atc controllers are still paid by our tax dollars and have a job because of us.....not the other way around. yes, a very professional controller, but i didn't think that the sea plane pilot was out of line. he didn't interfere with allegiant at all.

Just out of interest – are you a pilot at all? What part of "emergency in progress" do you not understand? How is tying up the frequency translate to "he didn't interfere with allegiant at all" and “i didn't think that the sea plane pilot was out of line”?

HotMamaPilot
04-18-2007, 11:21 AM
Just out of interest – are you a pilot at all? What part of "emergency in progress" do you not understand? How is tying up the frequency translate to "he didn't interfere with allegiant at all" and “i didn't think that the sea plane pilot was out of line”?

yes, indeed. i have over 11 years 121 time.........you?

SikPilot
04-18-2007, 11:33 AM
This guy doesn't miss a beat, now you can pay to help him deliver an airplane!

http://www.seaplanes.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/display.cgi?Index=2828%26search=


I emailed him and told him I would do it for $250 a day plus hotel and food expenses.

JoeyMeatballs
04-18-2007, 11:41 AM
too bad he didnt crash:eek:.......not die, just crash :)

labbats
04-18-2007, 11:52 AM
It just kept progressing worse and worse. How any pilot would whine like that, let alone tie up the freq after he was told it was due to an emergency is beyond my comprehension.


Totally unprofessional.

NoWake200
04-18-2007, 12:19 PM
***.Rich Hensch, owner, FLORIDA SEAPLANES, high performance seaplane training specialists and licensed MAULE Super Rocket dealers. **

And he is an instructor to top it off! GREAT!!!

sandman2122
04-18-2007, 12:30 PM
I know ONE PLACE I'm not going for my sea plane rating.

Baronpilot
04-18-2007, 01:13 PM
I just think the guy was a complete jerk for tying the frequency up when Allegiant needed the controllers attention the most.

The Chow
04-18-2007, 01:21 PM
Does anyone know how the emergency turned out?

Baronpilot
04-18-2007, 01:22 PM
Does anyone know how the emergency turned out?

The plane came to rest on its nose. I don't believe anyone was injured.

bluebravo
04-18-2007, 01:38 PM
A perfect landing, one minor injury during the evac.

Video of the landing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XluPCYX1Iiw

cma2407
04-18-2007, 01:51 PM
yes, indeed. i have over 11 years 121 time.........you?

Nothing like a extra-large slice of good old American pie-in-face.

Judging from the roaring silence, there are no further questions, your honor...:D

sgrd0q
04-18-2007, 02:23 PM
Whether HPM was a pilot was a rhetorical question, not an invitation for a mine-is-bigger-than-yours shouting match.

oldveedubs
04-18-2007, 04:22 PM
Just curious, has anyone contacted this guy about this?


Funny you ask.

A couple buddies of mine wanted to get our Commercial SES add-ons and I emailed a couple places here in Florida...one of them being Florida Seaplanes. The guy sent me literally...a 5 page email telling me all about his excellent business and why he was more expensive than others.

I ended up never responding because plans fell apart and in reality...his email was so long that it almost didn't seem like a legitimate business...too much verbage isn't the best.

Then i found that forum post here above and sent the guy an email with the link to the post stating I would never spend my money with him anyways...he has since responded to me twice (most recently two days ago) trying to defend why his airplane/pilot acted that way. He also has consistently said his competition uses low hour cfi's and is a ratings factory. He now says he is so busy that he doesn't even have time to fit me in...o well, looks like I'm going to jack brown's for 300 dollars less.

If you don't believe me, PM me and I'll get you a transcript.

9999
04-18-2007, 04:37 PM
Excellent job by the controller.

viking767
04-18-2007, 05:33 PM
Rich Hensch, owner, FLORIDA SEAPLANES, high performance seaplane training specialists and licensed MAULE Super Rocket dealers. **

He is not on the APA list of active or retired American Airlines pilots.

mking84
04-19-2007, 08:03 AM
Got this from expressjetpilots.com, thought it was pretty interesting to say the least. An allegiant air md80 had a gear failure and was doing a gear up landing. Here is the atc transcript....note the seaplane pilot during this.


http://www.jjgrantham.net/Allegiant758.mp3

His contact info is:

HENSCH RICHARD L
259 ROBIN CT
ALTAMONTE SPRINGS, FL, 32701-5021
http://flyfloatplanes.com/

[email protected]

Please feel free to send him any comments or suggestions.

JoeyMeatballs
04-19-2007, 08:06 AM
Yeah I heard this on another forum, is that guy ridiculous or what...........

Fly IFR
04-19-2007, 08:17 AM
"That was a very unreasonable vector" Yeah it was very unreasonable, there was a passenger plane with an emergency. What a loser...

texaspilot76
04-19-2007, 08:30 AM
I cannot believe this freaking guy. I hope Inspector Hardnasty gives him a very lengthy suspension.

Diver Driver
04-19-2007, 08:37 AM
Wow... what an a-hole. Kudos to the controller for keeping his cool, I would have made him call the tower, then chewed him out.

mking84
04-19-2007, 08:48 AM
Ya he is rediculous.....I cannot believe it. Send him an e-card from "Inspector Hardnasty"

Airplanes2Win
04-19-2007, 08:53 AM
What an idiot! Apparently 100+ people and a jetliner are less important than a couple gallons of fuel and 2 minutes of his time.

Sanchez
04-19-2007, 09:05 AM
Soooo let me get this straight...we miss a call particularly around ORD, ATL, or EWR, and we get crucified by ATC. This *sshole actually blocks the frequency during an emergency, and all he gets is "call back if you want!".

He could have compromised the safety of that flight, there is a reason why they have to sterilize the airspace for so many miles....what a tool, if it was up to me, he'd never touch an airplane again.

pete2800
04-19-2007, 09:09 AM
Honestly, that guy is a self-centered moron. How much fuel can he possibly waste by going around the airspace down low? Hats off to the controller, he couldn't have been much more professional.

mking84
04-19-2007, 09:12 AM
Send the man an email or give him a call....I did. He deserves any harassment he can take.

Sanchez
04-19-2007, 09:17 AM
I just sent him a copy of the FAR's. Nothing more, despite my personal feelings, as a professional pilot I represent the company I fly for, so is better if I don't let him know what an @sshole he is for potentially compromising an emergency.

Maybe, just maybe the feds will do their job and pay him a visit.

4N1flyr
04-19-2007, 09:23 AM
Best part is, the guy gets a freq change, then calls back with a rediculous complaint, then after no one responds (can't imagine why) he calls back to see if anyone copied!!! It's funny but i feel guilty about laughing.

Airplanes2Win
04-19-2007, 09:28 AM
I just sent him a copy of the FAR's.

That's awesome

B757200ER
04-19-2007, 10:12 AM
Rich Hensch, owner, FLORIDA SEAPLANES, high performance seaplane training specialists and licensed MAULE Super Rocket dealers. **

He is not on the APA list of active or retired American Airlines pilots.

I doubt an ex-AA pilot would do such a thing as tie up a radio frequency during an emergency.

WIPilot
04-19-2007, 10:49 AM
It amazes me how some people really cant see the big picture in life.

HoboPilot
04-19-2007, 11:09 AM
besides compromising the safety during the emergency, he's also given GA pilots a bad name. imagine what the two Allegiant pilots, controller, or anyone else on the frequency was thinking while this guy complained about the poor vectoring? I can only hope all the witnesses to this incident understand that this guy represents what I hope to be a minority of GA pilots. All this guy sccomplished was to provide a good argument for user fees.

Fokker28
04-28-2007, 04:56 PM
yes, indeed. i have over 11 years 121 time.........you?

Gee willikers! You're super neat!

Ps

I have more 121 time than that (whatever that's supposed to prove), and you're wrong. Hope that helps.

PPs That's still not your picture.

FliFast
04-28-2007, 06:10 PM
I doubt an ex-AA pilot would do such a thing as tie up a radio frequency during an emergency.

757,

You're right the professionals at AA would never do that. But they do have more than their fair share of emergency landings from what I have read in USA Today.

FF

av8r4aa
04-28-2007, 06:23 PM
I sent this bozo a email....funny thing he didn't
write back.
All I did was offer my services for his aircraft travel!

JethroFDX
04-28-2007, 06:55 PM
Anybody dare to guess how a controller from LGA :mad: would have handled this?????? :D

flappy
04-29-2007, 09:35 AM
yes, indeed. i have over 11 years 121 time.........you?

11 years 121 time. That is sooooo impressive. Now one of my best friends is an F/O on 757/767 over at UPS. Classy laid-back guy. Guess you didn't get the memo

msh168
04-29-2007, 06:39 PM
This is just an example of how many pilot's out there have a severe lack of understanding of their surroundings.

Maybe the controller wanted to clear the airspace to give the Allegiant A/C more options in case he wanted to maneuver the aircraft in an attempt to jostle the gear down etc...

Also, this guy is an ATP?!?!?! How about a little professional courtesy (does this guy have any superstitions at all?)

Bulletboy
04-29-2007, 07:06 PM
I bet this guy wished he took his lithium before this flight........sounds like his e-mail in box is full. Got to love the Info age...:)