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gijoe411
12-13-2018, 06:42 AM
Why does the 76 in PHL go so junior? Lowest Seniority number is 14,000


viper548
12-13-2018, 06:45 AM
Why does the 76 in PHL go so junior? Lowest Seniority number is 14,000


Pay isn't much higher than the airbus but you'll be on reserve much longer. Reserve on the 76 pays less than holding a line on the A320.

viper548
12-13-2018, 06:47 AM
Also, there are probably quite a few guys that don't want to incur a 2 year seat lock. 777 in LGA is going to guys at 5 years and dropping.


biigD
12-13-2018, 06:51 AM
Group 3 pay is only marginally higher than 2. Taking a quick look at 3XP, Iíd be about 25% more senior in a Group 2 seat. That extra bidding power is worth a lot more to me than the 7 bucks per hour.

Arado 234
12-13-2018, 07:12 AM
Group 3 pay is only marginally higher than 2. Taking a quick look at 3XP, Iíd be about 25% more senior in a Group 2 seat. That extra bidding power is worth a lot more to me than the 7 bucks per hour.

You forgot to add that you don't require that widebody ego.

mainlineAF
12-13-2018, 07:18 AM
Group 3 is crappy group 4 international flying (IMO) for slightly above group 2 pay.

Idc if itís only 2 legs a trip. Flying all night to then layover for 24 hours and then wake up at 0200 body clock would crush me. No thanks. Well at least not for anything less than g4 captain pay.

Sliceback
12-13-2018, 08:58 AM
It's great flying if you can swing the body clock stuff. It's two tough alarm clocks per trip.

The 'worst' trip is Shanwick. As one guy said "I love Shanwick!!" That's the worst layover. What's the next worst? Amsterdam?

Shanwick you can go golfing in a place called Ireland.
Bologna might be one of the worst. Near a place called Tuscany.

Berlin? Too much WWII history.
Dubrovnik? Too many tourists because it's such a cool town. UNESCO stuff.

But why is it junior? Right now less than 50% of the bid status has a schedule. So you sit at home waiting for the phone to ring, day after day after day. It's brutal. About 2/3's of the reserve guys have flown one day or less. 58% have yet to fly this month. Who wants to sit around and never fly? ;-)

mainlineAF
12-13-2018, 09:15 AM
It's great flying if you can swing the body clock stuff. It's two tough alarm clocks per trip.



The 'worst' trip is Shanwick. As one guy said "I love Shanwick!!" That's the worst layover. What's the next worst? Amsterdam?



Shanwick you can go golfing in a place called Ireland.

Bologna might be one of the worst. Near a place called Tuscany.



Berlin? Too much WWII history.

Dubrovnik? Too many tourists because it's such a cool town. UNESCO stuff.



But why is it junior? Right now less than 50% of the bid status has a schedule. So you sit at home waiting for the phone to ring, day after day after day. It's brutal. About 2/3's of the reserve guys have flown one day or less. 58% have yet to fly this month. Who wants to sit around and never fly? ;-)



I should have mentioned I wouldnít want to fly a block of international. 5 trips a month of that would suck.

Now living in base on short call and never flying would be different.

EMBFlyer
12-13-2018, 11:07 AM
The 'worst' trip is Shanwick. As one guy said "I love Shanwick!!" That's the worst layover.

Uh, it's Shannon. Shanwick is the Oceanic Control Center, split between Shannon, Ireland and Prestwick, Scotland.

Shannon is a fantastic layover! Limerick is a beautiful little town! The trip sucks because it's the only oceanic trip on the airplane with two pilots. You're exhausted!

EMBFlyer
12-13-2018, 11:09 AM
I think one of the prime reasons is that people realize it's a dying airplane. The flying is shrinking on it and its days are numbered. It's been that way for years...even back at US Airways. I'm extremely thankful I got to try the flying and I'll always cherish the 757/767 type on my certificate, but being on a dying fleet is no fun.

QuagmireGiggity
12-13-2018, 11:14 AM
If I lived local I would do it. Like said above shrinking fleet is going to accelerate. 78 starts Philly end of 2019.

Sliceback
12-13-2018, 03:31 PM
Uh, it's Shannon. Shanwick is the Oceanic Control Center, split between Shannon, Ireland and Prestwick, Scotland.

Shannon is a fantastic layover! Limerick is a beautiful little town! The trip sucks because it's the only oceanic trip on the airplane with two pilots. You're exhausted!

Duh. My bad. Only big jet pilots, as well as some light twin pilots and Atlantic RJ pilots, should know about Shanwick.

JFK two man flights are longer. About :45 minutes longer for the two legs.

Sliceback
12-13-2018, 03:33 PM
I think one of the prime reasons is that people realize it's a dying airplane. The flying is shrinking on it and its days are numbered. It's been that way for years...even back at US Airways. I'm extremely thankful I got to try the flying and I'll always cherish the 757/767 type on my certificate, but being on a dying fleet is no fun.

Being on a dying fleet can be a good deal. It's typically overmanned as it fades away so it can be an opportunity to fly less than normal on reserve if you live local.

Sliceback
12-13-2018, 03:34 PM
If I lived local I would do it. Like said above shrinking fleet is going to accelerate. 78 starts Philly end of 2019.

Supposedly flown by out of base pilots. No word when PHL 787 bid status will open.

EMBFlyer
12-13-2018, 05:40 PM
Being on a dying fleet can be a good deal. It's typically overmanned as it fades away so it can be an opportunity to fly less than normal on reserve if you live local.

I commuted and never flew. I was miserable. 500 hours on it in 18 months.

Al Czervik
12-13-2018, 05:48 PM
Supposedly flown by out of base pilots. No word when PHL 787 bid status will open.

Some of the A330 are supposed to end up in ORD in the fall as well. I would think a pilot base for both would happen soon after.

Al Czervik
12-13-2018, 05:49 PM
I commuted and never flew. I was miserable. 500 hours on it in 18 months.

Thatís a lot of Lou Turks.

Dolphinflyer
12-13-2018, 06:34 PM
Great airplane, great fleet, sad to see the end.
Flew it as FO in the mid-late 90's, relatively new jets, great to fly and reliable with good maintenance.

Came back to it around 2010, the results of Arpey's worthless leadership in allowing "Barbeque Bob" Reding, the former Reno air POS VP, to trash the fleet was a shock. Zero maintenance, every flight was/is a MEL dumpster fire.

Too bad, fun fleet to fly. Roll into CDG one day on a nice summer morning, a few days later stop with around 3000' of ground roll at St Martin in a 757.

Nice work Reding. Obviously the industry figured it out with his stunning resume since AMR.

Saabs
12-13-2018, 08:01 PM
Thatís a lot of Lou Turks.

Those were some run down strippers when I was there 2012-2013

Arado 234
12-13-2018, 08:34 PM
...
What's the next worst? Amsterdam?
...
Berlin? Too much WWII history.
...


Those are the dumbest statements I have read from you in a long time.

Floobs
12-13-2018, 09:09 PM
The 757/767 seems like hard old airplane.

Rawhide16
12-14-2018, 03:09 AM
Those are the dumbest statements I have read from you in a long time.

I think your sarcasm detector is MELíd.

meyers9163
12-14-2018, 06:00 AM
Some of the A330 are supposed to end up in ORD in the fall as well. I would think a pilot base for both would happen soon after.

Doubtful. Theyíve said they want 2 airplanes in ORD. 737 & 787. Thus no narrow body airbus.

Sliceback
12-15-2018, 07:27 AM
I think your sarcasm detector is MELíd.

LOL. I'm glad someone caught. :D

BOGSAT
12-17-2018, 05:49 PM
10 vacancies on the June announcement.

viper548
12-17-2018, 05:53 PM
10 vacancies on the June announcement.


And 16 Captains.



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