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K92plane
12-15-2018, 06:26 PM
Hey- if I may - 1st year f/oís may I ask what is your actual take home pay per check if youíre just getting the minimum 75hrs?

Thank you !


injun21
12-15-2018, 07:27 PM
Itís almost impossible to answer your question. Very few people get the minimum 75 hours and it also depends on how you fill out your W-4

It also depends on how many hours you are away from base because that can pay you a lot of per diem.

WhiskyWhisky
12-15-2018, 08:43 PM
$57,000 in bonus pay plus monthly earnings.

Hard to believe just a few years ago guys were will to do this for under $20k a year with no bonus. Times have changed.


K92plane
12-16-2018, 07:37 AM
Itís almost impossible to answer your question. Very few people get the minimum 75 hours and it also depends on how you fill out your W-4

It also depends on how many hours you are away from base because that can pay you a lot of per diem.


Okay - I guess then what is a good average?

CaptDave
12-16-2018, 01:00 PM
Okay - I guess then what is a good average?


paycheckcity . com

TheWeatherman
12-16-2018, 01:21 PM
Okay - I guess then what is a good average?
https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/regional/air_wisconsin

Av8tor8710
12-16-2018, 03:35 PM
Itís almost impossible to answer your question. Very few people get the minimum 75 hours and it also depends on how you fill out your W-4

It also depends on how many hours you are away from base because that can pay you a lot of per diem.

ďGet the minimumĒ as in fly more than the guaranteed 75 or less?

DarkSideMoon
12-16-2018, 04:12 PM
ďGet the minimumĒ as in fly more than the guaranteed 75 or less?

As in fly less than 75 hours. Granted I work a lot extra but I averaged 115 hours of credit a month.

Donít plan on that though. Budget for min guarantee and if you get extra itís a bonus. We went from reserves flying 90+ hours a month to next to nothing. It ebbs and flows.

John Carr
12-16-2018, 04:39 PM
$57,000 in bonus pay plus monthly earnings.

Hard to believe just a few years ago guys were will to do this for under $20k a year with no bonus. Times have changed.

Agreed.

On year 1 pay, in a ďnormalĒ month taking home $13-1500

On year 2, $22-2400/mo.

lavMan
12-16-2018, 04:48 PM
$57,000 in bonus pay plus monthly earnings.

Hard to believe just a few years ago guys were will to do this for under $20k a year with no bonus. Times have changed.

Hard to believe in this time and age, guys would work for for a regional that only has 50 seat jets?

DarkSideMoon
12-16-2018, 05:42 PM
Hard to believe in this time and age, guys would work for for a regional that only has 50 seat jets?


There are guys here on track to make 85k+ their first year and upgrade at 1,000 121. Is going somewhere with only 50 seat jets a gamble? Sure. Are current new hires going to make that much? Probably not.

But Iíll make more money, drive to work, and upgrade faster than most of my 70/76 seat friends.

Excargodog
12-16-2018, 05:51 PM
Hard to believe in this time and age, guys would work for for a regional that only has 50 seat jets?

Why not? It's over 12.5 GTOW, isn't it? Get your 1000TPIC and move on.

If you can live in base and work for Air Whisky, why not? It's a rung in the ladder, not a career.

Cessnaflyer1213
12-18-2018, 06:42 PM
I'll take a stab at giving a straight answer. Yes, the variables are many. It depends on how many tax exemptions you want, what level of benefits you sign up for, etc. The AW payroll is bimonthly. The first and 15th of each month. During each paycheck you are paid half of your "base" salary. Which is half of the 75 hour minimum guarantee. The check on the 1st of the month is only the half month. I have 4 exemptions and got the best health insurance, my take home check after taxes and deductions has been around $900 for that first payroll. On the 15th paycheck, they again pay half of the base then add all of the extra pay you earned from the month before (per diem, extra time above minimum, etc.). My average 15th check has been about $2,600 take home plus or minus. I've been working the 85-90 hour lines and tried to pick up 2-4 days of open flying every month, so my number might be above average. But, I also pay more for better benefits.

The others are correct that there are a lot of variables. During the first few months of training, it was monthly minimum every check. If you sit on reserve and don't fly much, you could be looking at as little as $2,000 a month take home. If you have to commute to base from anywhere, crashpads, hotels, food, and other expenses will eat hard into what little you are bringing home. The bonus offer helps, but you have to be disciplined enough to use it wisely. If you are young, single, and don't need the expensive insurances you can increase these amounts by several hundred dollars a month.

WhiskyWhisky
12-19-2018, 06:54 AM
For family Health ins, roughly $280 is taken out of each paycheck, or $560 a month. That seems high. My last employer was $250 a month, total, for same family coverage!!
Lots of chatter about how good the health insurance is at AirWhisky...may be good for low deductibles, but man, we sure 'pay' for it.

Cessnaflyer1213
12-19-2018, 07:52 AM
For family Health ins, roughly $280 is taken out of each paycheck, or $560 a month. That seems high. My last employer was $250 a month, total, for same family coverage!!
Lots of chatter about how good the health insurance is at AirWhisky...may be good for low deductibles, but man, we sure 'pay' for it.

Yes, my last employer had better coverage for less money also. It was similar at about $250 per month. But ... this is one of the best in this industry from my research. Maybe not saying as much as you would like, but when you hunt around to other regional carriers no one is offering much to begin with.

CanWeGetTheLeft
12-19-2018, 07:57 AM
Hard to believe in this time and age, guys would work for for a regional that only has 50 seat jets?

Hard to believe that people go to carriers with 70+ seats where it’s a constant scope clause shell game as to who gets to fly them.

Take a swing by the gojet and Mesa forums, I bet a few of those guys would be happy to have 50 seaters on property right now.

DarkSideMoon
12-19-2018, 10:05 AM
Yes, my last employer had better coverage for less money also. It was similar at about $250 per month. But ... this is one of the best in this industry from my research. Maybe not saying as much as you would like, but when you hunt around to other regional carriers no one is offering much to begin with.

Where on earth are you getting better insurance than $50 hospital visits and $25 doctorís appointments?

lavMan
12-19-2018, 11:59 AM
Hard to believe that people go to carriers with 70+ seats where itís a constant scope clause shell game as to who gets to fly them.

Take a swing by the gojet and Mesa forums, I bet a few of those guys would be happy to have 50 seaters on property right now.


Well thatís a fine and dandy. But one class configurations are not the trend. And what if you canít get out? Thatís my point. Have a back up plan.

Retirements aside, not everyone gets to where they want to be. You may not even have the opportunity.

Soxfan1
12-19-2018, 12:21 PM
Well thatís a fine and dandy. But one class configurations are not the trend. And what if you canít get out? Thatís my point. Have a back up plan.

Retirements aside, not everyone gets to where they want to be. You may not even have the opportunity.

I agree with Canwegettheleft on this. UA is scoped out on 70 and 76 seat ac. Negotiation committee at mainline will not even consider (nor should they) any scope relief. So whipsaw for the current amount of 70-76 ac will continue. 50 seaters are not scoped out. UA is giving 50 seat flying to anyone of their FFD airlines who can staff it.

If you are working for any FFD UAX carrier, having all or at least some 50 seaters is good and is the only true growth that isnít moving flying around.

Even if UA buys the E2 or the 220 and opens up more 76 seaters - that would not happen soon.

All that said, Deltaís approach to 50 seaters is more in line with your point so I would agree with you there however that is not applicable to us.

DarkSideMoon
12-19-2018, 12:27 PM
I agree with Canwegettheleft on this. UA is scoped out on 70 and 76 seat ac. Negotiation committee at mainline will not even consider (nor should they) any scope relief. So whipsaw for the current amount of 70-76 ac will continue. 50 seaters are not scoped out. UA is giving 50 seat flying to anyone of their FFD airlines who can staff it.

If you are working for any FFD UAX carrier, having all or at least some 50 seaters is good and is the only true growth that isnít moving flying around.

Even if UA buys the E2 or the 220 and opens up more 76 seaters - that would not happen soon.

All that said, Deltaís approach to 50 seaters is more in line with your point so I would agree with you there however that is not applicable to us.

Exactly. Will we get more 50 seat flying? Maybe, maybe not. But it can occur organically under unitedís current economic situation. Any 70/76 seat flying has to be shuffled around and is intrinsically unstable.

53driver
12-25-2018, 08:47 AM
I'll take a stab at giving a straight answer. Yes, the variables are many. It depends on how many tax exemptions you want, what level of benefits you sign up for, etc. The AW payroll is bimonthly. The first and 15th of each month. During each paycheck you are paid half of your "base" salary. Which is half of the 75 hour minimum guarantee. The check on the 1st of the month is only the half month. I have 4 exemptions and got the best health insurance, my take home check after taxes and deductions has been around $900 for that first payroll. On the 15th paycheck, they again pay half of the base then add all of the extra pay you earned from the month before (per diem, extra time above minimum, etc.). My average 15th check has been about $2,600 take home plus or minus. I've been working the 85-90 hour lines and tried to pick up 2-4 days of open flying every month, so my number might be above average. But, I also pay more for better benefits.

The others are correct that there are a lot of variables. During the first few months of training, it was monthly minimum every check. If you sit on reserve and don't fly much, you could be looking at as little as $2,000 a month take home. If you have to commute to base from anywhere, crashpads, hotels, food, and other expenses will eat hard into what little you are bringing home. The bonus offer helps, but you have to be disciplined enough to use it wisely. If you are young, single, and don't need the expensive insurances you can increase these amounts by several hundred dollars a month.

CessnaFlyer, can you check my math. If your monthly take home pay is $3,500 then your monthly gross pay should be approx $4,760 assuming the following:
Health Insurance = $560/mo
Uncle Sam deduction = $500/mo
401k deduction = $200/mo

Is that correct?
How much flight time vs credit hours are you getting?

Flaps8posrate
12-28-2018, 09:04 AM
3500 gross per month is more realistic, start deducting from there.
CessnaFlyer, can you check my math. If your monthly take home pay is $3,500 then your monthly gross pay should be approx $4,760 assuming the following:
Health Insurance = $560/mo
Uncle Sam deduction = $500/mo
401k deduction = $200/mo

Is that correct?
How much flight time vs credit hours are you getting?

dino87
12-28-2018, 03:35 PM
what is the present cost of insurance for a single person?

DarkSideMoon
12-28-2018, 03:47 PM
what is the present cost of insurance for a single person?

Depends on the plan. I pay roughly $90 a check for probably the best health insurance anyone in the private sector could dream of.



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