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Sliceback
12-18-2018, 06:41 AM
Approx 15,150 is the junior seniority number. Subtract retirement data from apc's airline profile to project future availability as a new hire.

Total pilot count, after retirements between July 1st to date, would put the total pilot corps size closer 14,900.

Guys hired through November are on the seniority list but don't show up in the bid status information below.

Guys hired in December aren't on the lastest seniority list. That's updated monthly.

DOH's between roughly 8,000 - 11,300 aren't provided. They're all over the map (mostly 1999-2001 but also 1989-2008) after the merger of two airlines, that had three seniority lists, that included six airlines.

Nearest 100 -

Junior seniority numbers -

n/b FO -

BOS 737 - 14,300 2/18
CLT 320 - 13,800 3/17
DCA 737 - 14,600 6/18
UDC 320 - 13,800 4/17
DFW 737 - 14,200 1/18
320 - 14,100 11/18
LAX 737 - 15,000 10/18
320 - 15,000 10/18
LGA 737 - 14,900 10/18
320 - 15,000 10/18
PHL 320 - 14,000 7/17
PHX 320 - 14,500 5/18
MIA 737 - 14,900 10/18
320 - 14,600 6/18
ORD 737 - 13,800 4/17


767 FO -

DFW - 12,800 2/15
LGA - 14,000 7/17 fleet closure in 2019
PHL - 13,900 6/17
PHX - 12,400 5/14
MIA - 13,600 11/16


330 FO -

CLT - 9,800
PHL - 11,400 4/13


777 FO -

DFW - 11,700 4/13
LAX - 9,400
LGA - 11,700 6/01
MIA - 10,900


787 FO -

DFW - 10,000
LAX - 10,200
ORD - 9,100


Sliceback
12-18-2018, 06:57 AM
MIA 767 slots reserved for TWA pilots not included.

G4 positions reserved for LUS pilots through 12/31/2020 not included.

If the junior guy is a former LUS guy I've converted his DOH to the DOH of the LAA guys around him since LAA guys are the majority, especially in the more senior bid statuses.


CA -

N/B -

BOS 737 - 9,100
CLT 320 - 9,000
DCA 737 - 9,300
UDC 320 - 9,100
DFW 737 - 9,000
320 - 8,400
LAX 737 - 10,200
320 - 9,900
LGA 737 - 10,800
320 - 11,400 6/13
PHL 320 - 10,100
PHX 320 - 7,000
MIA 737 - 10,600
320 - 9,800
ORD 737 - 9,900


767 -

DFW - 6,400 1998
LGA - 6,400 1998
PHL - 6,200 1998
PHX - 7,400 1998
MIA - 5,100 1991


330 -

CLT - 2,300 1988
PHL - 2,500 1989


777 -

DFW - 2,000 1988
LAX - 1,400 1987
LGA - 2,700 1989
MIA - 1,900 1987


787 -

DFW - 1,200 1986
LAX - 1,300 1986
ORD - 2,500 1989

Sliceback
12-18-2018, 06:57 AM
End of 2017 data for comparison.

The thread has some interesting comments, to include predictions. Some good, some bad.

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/american/109173-end-2017-base-equipment-seniority.html


kdogger
12-18-2018, 09:05 AM
Agreed. Itís wrong to think if you get to X seniority youíll be able to bid into a base/equipment/seat. Sometimes it goes junior and takes a long time, or perhaps never, to reach that seniority again. Or guys never cycle out and the bid status stagnates. BOS is an example of that. It tends to be hard to get into because there are few opportunities.

I browsed the old thread for a couple of pages. This was the prediction/comment that jumped out the most to me when you look back at this year. Especially for the October bid.

dera
12-18-2018, 09:40 AM
30 years to hold G4 CA? I wonder how large of %age of them will retire in the next 5 or so years, and how drastically will that number drop.

viper548
12-18-2018, 09:47 AM
30 years to hold G4 CA? I wonder how large of %age of them will retire in the next 5 or so years, and how drastically will that number drop.
It should be 16-17 years for a 2014 hire. That's assuming 3000 seniority number to hold it and zero growth of G4 CA. We are currently at 131 group 4 planes and it looks like plans have us at 171 in 2025 when the rest of the 787s get delivered. That also includes a fleet of 15 A330's, which I doubt we will keep once they park the first 9.

aa73
12-18-2018, 11:36 AM
DCA 737 CA is down to 10,920, effective March 1 2019. (I know, it’s not part of the snap shot today but just pointing out the trend.)