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View Full Version : 20 AA 763s to ATSG


FlyPurdue
12-19-2018, 09:25 AM
I promise I am not trying to stir the pot - I just saw this in our daily company email blast. All this info is for public consumption, otherwise I would not have posted it.

This week, we signed an agreement to sell all 24 of our Boeing 767s as they leave the American fleet over the next few years. All 24 are being sold to Jetran, with 20 planned to subsequently undergo cargo conversion and be operated by ATSG.


Boris Badenov
12-19-2018, 09:57 AM
Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas!

Now, who would like the presents Santa Soaper has in his big sack? More importantly, what would you GIVE him?

mukalel
12-19-2018, 10:36 AM
I heard this news weeks ago.. they are not for abx use. They are primarily for leasing to offshore carriers as well as carriers that abx is in competition with.


zerozero
12-19-2018, 11:20 AM
Neither ATSG carrier (ATI nor ABX) would be able to staff that many airframes with the pilot contracts currently in force.

Sad, but true.

JetRage
12-19-2018, 11:44 AM
First year pay is $42000 at ABX with 17 days on. It roughly doubles second year if the airline isnt shut down.

wjcandee
12-19-2018, 12:00 PM
The most recent AA retirement schedule for these aircraft is apparently 6 in 2019, 13 in 2020, and 5 in 2021. Given that they're only committing to 20, this means it's most likely 6, 9, and 5, which is actually a schedule that's completely doable if the demand is there. Smart to tie these up, for fleet consistency and the potential for a resale if necessary. There will be plenty of similar aircraft coming off of other carriers in the same time period, so it's not like they're cornering the market, but they will have a largely consistent base of feedstock to convert. Apparently, the onesie-twosie nature of the 767 fleet at GTI adds some additional challenges for the crews and maintainers.

Jurassic Jet
12-19-2018, 12:28 PM
Don’t forget the Airbuses start coming online Q3 this year too.

skengdon
12-19-2018, 03:21 PM
This morning in BOG operated by ati...

Boris Badenov
12-19-2018, 05:26 PM
<small voice> Also, Omni </small voice>

A whipsaw isn't a whipsaw without at least three!

wjcandee
12-19-2018, 07:17 PM
This morning in BOG operated by ati...

Yeah, that's the latest CAM conversion, and UPS wanted to ACMI it for Peak, so ATI put it into service unpainted for now. IAI sprayed some silver over the green parts before delivery so it wouldn't look too terrible.

JustOvIt
12-20-2018, 03:20 AM
Heard plane down for two days from one crew flying it . Nice job abx. Mutiple flights cancelled. Planes all junk anymore

Formerbuspilot
12-20-2018, 04:07 AM
https://www.aircargonews.net/events/air-cargo-news-events/cay-2014/news/atsg-swoops-for-20-b767-passenger-aircraft-as-feedstock-for-freighter-conversion.html

“US-based freighter operator Air Transport Services Group (ATSG) is to acquire 20 Boeing 767-300 extended-range passenger aircraft from lessor Jetran as potential feedstock for freighter conversion over the next three years.

ATSG, which operates B767Fs for Amazon Air, currently expects to begin freighter modification of six of the twenty 767-300s during 2019, up to nine during 2020, and no fewer than five in 2021.

ATSG said that it may choose to refurbish and lease one or more of them internally as passenger aircraft to its recently acquired subsidiary, Omni Air International, for charter or ACMI service with Omni Air’s government and commercial customers.

The Jetran aircraft are currently operated by American Airlines. They were manufactured between 1993 and 2003, and are powered by General Electric CF6-series engines.

Added ATSG: “On that anticipated schedule, and apart from any other transactions involving 767-300s, ATSG projects that it would own at least fifty-nine 767-300 freighter aircraft by the end of 2021, compared with thirty-nine at the end of 2018.”

ATSG also owns six other passenger 767-300s, all currently operated by Omni Air International, and owns other Boeing 737, B757, B767 and B777 aircraft.

Joe Hete, president and chief executive of ATSG, said: “As the world’s leading source of mid-sized converted 767 freighters, we have the appetite and financial strength to respond when a large fleet of commonly configured, high quality feedstock aircraft becomes available.

“Our discussions with a number of customers about leasing multiple 767-300s from us for deployment in new and expanding networks give us confidence that the market will remain strong.

"Contracting to acquire these aircraft at good value, along with our unique abilities to convert, lease, operate and maintain them for our customers, is proof of our commitment to serve that market growth for several more years to come.”

Cargo Aircraft Management, ATSG’s aircraft leasing subsidiary, will purchase, manage freighter conversion, and lease the 20 aircraft.”

airbus300
12-20-2018, 09:21 PM
Amazon’s Air Network Expands to Support the Growth of Prime Fast, Free Shipping for Customers

Amazon expands the long term partnership with ATSG – leases 10 additional 767-300 dedicated Amazon cargo aircraft, increasing the fleet to 50 aircraft

The Amazon Air operation launched two years ago and in that time, 40 aircraft have joined the fleet operating out of 21 air gateways, and more are on the way

December 21, 2018 12:00 AM Eastern Standard Time

SEATTLE--(BUSINESS WIRE)--(NASDAQ:AMZN) – Amazon continues to invest in ways to provide fast, free delivery for customers. Today, the company announced an expansion of its partnership with Air Transport Services Group, Inc. (ATSG) by leasing an additional 10 aircraft to support Amazon’s growth. Amazon previously leased 40 Boeing 767 freighter aircraft in 2016, 20 of those with ATSG, all of which are now flying serving customers in the Amazon Air network. The 10 additional cargo planes will consist of Boeing 767-300 aircraft, will be operated on Amazon’s behalf by an ATSG airline, and will join the air cargo operation over the next two years.

“By expanding the Amazon Air network through our partnership with ATSG we’re able to ensure we have the capacity to quickly and efficiently deliver packages to customers for years to come.”

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Amazon Air’s operation launched in 2016 supporting package delivery to the rapidly growing number of customers who love fast delivery, great prices and vast selection. With advanced algorithms and software used for capacity and route planning, the Amazon Air operation can transport hundreds of thousands of packages per day. In addition, with Amazon’s dedicated air network, Amazon is able to deliver packages to its customers faster – 40 aircraft are flying in and out of gateway operations at over 20 airports, making two-day shipping possible almost anywhere in the U.S.

“Our customers love massive selection and fast delivery, and the Amazon Air capacity we are building enables Prime delivery speeds for customers from Seattle, Washington to Miami, Florida,” said Dave Clark, Senior Vice President of Worldwide Operations at Amazon. “By expanding the Amazon Air network through our partnership with ATSG we’re able to ensure we have the capacity to quickly and efficiently deliver packages to customers for years to come.”

“We’re pleased to expand and extend our partnership in support of Amazon’s exceptional ability to provide reliable and fast delivery to its customers,” said Joe Hete, President and CEO of ATSG. “As the world’s leading source of customer-dedicated 767 cargo aircraft, we have the access to aircraft and are uniquely qualified to support Amazon for many years to come.”

Amazon will open a new Regional Air Hub next year at Fort Worth Alliance Airport, and the Air Hub at the Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport will open in 2021. Recently, Amazon also announced a gateway operation to launch in Wilmington, Ohio, in 2019 as well as an expanded operation in Rockford, Illinois. Since its launch, Amazon’s air cargo operation has invested millions of dollars and created thousands of new jobs at locations across the U.S.

Amazon has launched several initiatives to ensure fast delivery speeds and supply chain capacity for its customers, including its Delivery Service Partner program, Amazon Flex, the company’s mobile application that allows individuals to sign-up, be vetted and begin delivering for Amazon, a dedicated network of over 10,000 trailers to increase trucking capacity and, now, the expanded fleet of air cargo planes. These efforts join Amazon’s robust worldwide network of more than 185 fulfillment centers where the company uses high-end algorithms, robotics, machine learning and other technological innovations to increase delivery speeds for customers. Amazon is now bringing the same technological expertise to efforts in the transportation space to increase shipping capacity for customers.

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EndOfTimes
12-21-2018, 03:06 AM
Joe is warming up his whipsaw and a particular ATSG airline will be breaking out their knee pads. Can you guess which one?

qiutong
12-21-2018, 05:26 AM
Joe is warming up his whipsaw and a particular ATSG airline will be breaking out their knee pads. Can you guess which one?

If any of the ATSG airlines, ABX, ATI or Omni, “break out their knee pads”, I doubt they’ll be able to attract the pilots necessary to crew these ten additional aircraft. We’re already scraping the bottom of the pilot pool for our new hires....

Jurassic Jet
12-21-2018, 05:34 AM
ATI won’t need knee pads. The thick calluses already in place should suffice.

nitefr8dog
12-21-2018, 06:59 AM
Joe is warming up his whipsaw and a particular ATSG airline will be breaking out their knee pads. Can you guess which one?
I guessing it will not be the one that has already shown they have a pair....

dynap09
12-21-2018, 07:09 AM
I heard this news weeks ago.. they are not for abx use. They are primarily for leasing to offshore carriers as well as carriers that abx is in competition with.

That's odd, the company has been in Seattle talking, the timing is right for Amazon to announce an expansion of ATSG flying... weird that they'd just lease these to offshore carriers and competitors!

Edited: Got through rest of thread, not to doubt mukalel but looks like some flying may stay with ATSG.

gumpscheck
12-21-2018, 10:42 AM
Edited: Got through rest of thread, not to doubt mukalel but looks like some flying may stay with ATSG.

Did you all read the news release about AMZ adding 10 more airplanes to ATSG?

nitefr8dog
12-21-2018, 05:11 PM
Did you all read the news release about AMZ adding 10 more airplanes to ATSG?
Plus increased warrants up to possibly 39.9 % ownership with an additional 17 airframes for a total of 47.

WTFover
12-21-2018, 06:33 PM
Plus increased warrants up to possibly 39.9 % ownership with an additional 17 airframes for a total of 47.

Hadn’t seen that yet. Do you have a link?

Jurassic Jet
12-21-2018, 08:21 PM
Hadn’t seen that yet. Do you have a link?

ATSG : Air Transport Services Group, Inc. (http://www.atsginc.com/Press-Releases/2018/pr2018-12-21.html)

ACMItrash
12-22-2018, 01:00 AM
Plus increased warrants up to possibly 39.9 % ownership with an additional 17 airframes for a total of 47.

Good source says all of those planes going to Omni to get a third wheel in the cargo business. Also Omni has a stable contract that pays much better than ATI and Abx where they think they can fill new hire classes!

nitefr8dog
12-22-2018, 03:48 AM
Good source says all of those planes going to Omni to get a third wheel in the cargo business. Also Omni has a stable contract that pays much better than ATI and Abx where they think they can fill new hire classes!
Let me guess. Your "good source" has a friend who lives across the street from a guy who knows a person who works at 7-11 whose next door neighbor has a sister who works at the fish factory and delivers fresh fish to a local resturant and talked to the cook who lives next door to a guy who talked to the mechanic that fixed the alternator on cleaning lady's car at Omni HQ in KS who told the van driver she heard the company is really doing well...is that your source?

As usual with you I call Bu!!$hit

GraceMonth
12-22-2018, 12:40 PM
Let me guess. Your "good source" has a friend who lives across the street from a guy who knows a person who works at 7-11 whose next door neighbor has a sister who works at the fish factory and delivers fresh fish to a local resturant and talked to the cook who lives next door to a guy who talked to the mechanic that fixed the alternator on cleaning lady's car at Omni HQ in KS who told the van driver she heard the company is really doing well...is that your source?

As usual with you I call Bu!!$hit

Yeah. It’s OK, not KS. :D

nitefr8dog
12-23-2018, 03:27 AM
Yeah. It’s OK, not KS. :D
Whew! Thanks I was really sweating that....



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