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FGHJKL
12-20-2018, 02:06 PM
For those of us who do not nap well prior to all-nighters, crazy early pushes, double duty day trips, etc...

...according to this FAA web site, Sonata (zaleplon) is the only sleep aid with a short enough minimum pre-duty wait time (6 hours) to potentially help afternoon napping before a late-night or super-early-morning push:

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/pharm/sleepaids/

Anybody get a prescription for Sonata, and then manage to get along with your AME & FAA afterwards for Class I renewals? If not, why not? If the FAA allows it with more than 6 hours prior to duty, why is it not talked about & used more given the crazy hours many fly?

ALPA Aeromedical likely has the best answer, but thought social media might also generate some thoughts on this.

Thx.


Excargodog
12-20-2018, 03:51 PM
For those of us who do not nap well prior to all-nighters, crazy early pushes, double duty day trips, etc...

...according to this FAA web site, Sonata (zaleplon) is the only sleep aid with a short enough minimum pre-duty wait time (6 hours) to potentially help afternoon napping before a late-night or super-early-morning push:

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/pharm/sleepaids/
If the FAA allows it with more than 6 hours prior to duty, why is it not talked about & used more given the crazy hours many fly?


They donít EXACTLY allow it. Note the provisions:

Occasional or limited use of sleep aids, such as for circadian rhythm disruption in commercial air operations, is allowable for pilots. Daily/nightly use of sleep aids is not allowed regardless of the underlying cause or reason

In theory, ANY of these drugs can be used intermittently as long as legally prescribed and the clearance times are respected, and if you go into the hospital for something, youíll probably get something routine for a sleeping pill and no one will even care.

But as it indicates, daily or nightly use of sleep aids - even short acting ones, is NOT going to be allowed. And Sonata is a Class IV controlled drug IN THIS COUNTRY and is more severely restricted in other countries because of its addiction potential and because of misuse when mixed with alcohol. It reacts very poorly with ANY amount of alcohol including causing something called Transient Global Amnesia where you awaken not really knowing where youíve been, where you are, how you got there, or what youíve recently been doing. It has been used with alcohol as a date rape drug.


Would it be acceptable to help adjust circadian rhythm? Yes, rarely. Itís similar to the go/no-go medication that the USAF uses. But itís use is not without risk and I imagine any bad reaction to it, especially if mixed with alcohol, could easily be a career ending event for any airline pilot..

TiredSoul
12-20-2018, 04:04 PM
Tough it out and stay away from that sort of stuff.
Call in fatigued if you canít make it happen.
Resorting to pharmaceuticals is crazy.


sherpster
12-20-2018, 05:11 PM
I did, faa didnt care so dont listen these guys

Its a pretty lousy sleep aid btw

JohnBurke
12-23-2018, 04:22 PM
Don't start modifying your sleep patterns with drugs, or trying to make up for being off your circadian with sleeping medication. It's a bad idea.

FGHJKL
12-24-2018, 06:39 AM
And Sonata is a Class IV controlled drug IN THIS COUNTRY and is more severely restricted in other countries because of its addiction potential and because of misuse when mixed with alcohol. It reacts very poorly with ANY amount of alcohol including causing something called Transient Global Amnesia where you awaken not really knowing where you’ve been, where you are, how you got there, or what you’ve recently been doing. It has been used with alcohol as a date rape drug.


Thanks. If using it a little over 6 hours before duty, alcohol wouldn't be a factor.

I did, faa didnt care so dont listen these guys

Its a pretty lousy sleep aid btw

Thanks...good to know.

We had access to sleep aids when deployed to OIF and I think others said the same about Sonata.

Excargodog
12-24-2018, 07:16 AM
Thanks. If using it a little over 6 hours before duty, alcohol wouldn't be a factor.


Not so. Using it with alcohol at ANY TIME is a huge potential problem even if you won’t be flying until 12-24 hours later.

Unless you don’t mind waking up not knowing what country you are in and how you got there.

Droopy
12-24-2018, 07:25 AM
Unless you donít mind waking up not knowing what country you are in and how you got there.

Isn't that normal for long haul flying anyway? 😎

FGHJKL
12-24-2018, 09:43 AM
Not so. Using it with alcohol at ANY TIME is a huge potential problem even if you won’t be flying until 12-24 hours later.

Unless you don’t mind waking up not knowing what country you are in and how you got there.

Good grief.

...just asking about the legality and effectiveness of Sonata. For your reading, this question was posed with the assumption zero alcohol is involved.

Excargodog
12-24-2018, 05:22 PM
Good grief.

...just asking about the legality and effectiveness of Sonata. For your reading, this question was posed with the assumption zero alcohol is involved.


1. You arenít the only one reading this column. Note comment from Droopy (above).
2. Not accusing you of anything, merely regurgitating the published and well established cautions on this and similar medications.
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syV2LkGpQB0



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