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FlyRight2876
12-23-2018, 12:00 PM
Now that he is the new CEO of Expressjet some of you have been commenting on his relationship with the pilots of Commutair. Can anyone further elaborate on this guys relationship with his subordinates? Sounds like he doesn't like pilots too much?

"Subodh frequently, when talking to new hire classes at C5, has said that he hates pilots, criticized them for not doing well enough to give him a bigger bonus, isn't interested in making any QOL improvements and said that of they dont like it they can leave. Good luck."

"I didnt hear that specific thing but at a new hire dinner at C5 he was proud of his time running Delta Connection during the whole Comair debacle. He also ran 2 Indian airlines into the ground."

"Yes, there are several on here that heard it. He was talking specifically about his on time performance bonus being more than a pilot makes in a year."

"I heard him say many things. He even dropped the F bomb a few times to new hire classes. During his presentation about growth he said, "If we can't hire, F it. We'll go out of business." Another infamous quote of his was about our ability to retain pilots. He said, "I like to think of C5 like a college. People come in, get their education, and leave." The problem is he treated pilots as C5 like they were students as ITT Tech, not Harvard.

Good luck to you guys."



With the moral at Expressjet being as bad as it is on top of a really bad pilot shortage here I don't think his tenure is going to go well at all. Seems he already has a sorted past with other airlines as well.... I can't believe United Airlines would pick someone like this to be the leader of one of their feeder airlines. Oscar's good will and relationship with the mainline employees seems to be paying off. Why not extend those successes?


TFAYD
12-23-2018, 06:58 PM
Now that he is the new CEO of Expressjet some of you have been commenting on his relationship with the pilots of Commutair. Can anyone further elaborate on this guys relationship with his subordinates? Sounds like he doesn't like pilots too much?

"Subodh frequently, when talking to new hire classes at C5, has said that he hates pilots, criticized them for not doing well enough to give him a bigger bonus, isn't interested in making any QOL improvements and said that of they dont like it they can leave. Good luck."

"I didnt hear that specific thing but at a new hire dinner at C5 he was proud of his time running Delta Connection during the whole Comair debacle. He also ran 2 Indian airlines into the ground."

"Yes, there are several on here that heard it. He was talking specifically about his on time performance bonus being more than a pilot makes in a year."

"I heard him say many things. He even dropped the F bomb a few times to new hire classes. During his presentation about growth he said, "If we can't hire, F it. We'll go out of business." Another infamous quote of his was about our ability to retain pilots. He said, "I like to think of C5 like a college. People come in, get their education, and leave." The problem is he treated pilots as C5 like they were students as ITT Tech, not Harvard.

Good luck to you guys."



With the moral at Expressjet being as bad as it is on top of a really bad pilot shortage here I don't think his tenure is going to go well at all. Seems he already has a sorted past with other airlines as well.... I can't believe United Airlines would pick someone like this to be the leader of one of their feeder airlines. Oscar's good will and relationship with the mainline employees seems to be paying off. Why not extend those successes?


I seriously doubt that he said those things - at least not in public with rank and file employees around and for sure not at a new hire pep talk.

He may think along those lines but absolutely nobody - regardless how incompetent - has that little situational awareness to go on the record in such a way.

DirkDiggler
12-23-2018, 10:26 PM
Some people just don't care. When you have a few mil tucked away, and have vast amounts of experience, there's always another door opening. So either the commutair guys who said they heard some of these things first hand are lying, or he did actually say these things. He's not a pilot himself, I don't doubt he hates pilots. Pilots are a bunch of pains in the arses.


rogersmith
12-24-2018, 05:11 AM
I am no longer at C5, but during my time there I saw Subodh address our new hire class and talked to him one on one at the new hire dinner/ open tab at a brew pub in Dulles. He is very open about not liking pilots. When he addressed the new hire class, he was somewhat professional, but still did manage to work in a few anti pilot digs. At the brew pub he told me to my face that he knows pilots are selfish and only care about themselves, that we are terrible at working as a team, and are not loyal. In one way, isn’t that better then the normal management bs of calling us a family to our face then undercutting us? Don’t get me wrong I don’t like the man and he should not be trusted. Good luck all

CBreezy
12-24-2018, 06:33 AM
I am no longer at C5, but during my time there I saw Subodh address our new hire class and talked to him one on one at the new hire dinner/ open tab at a brew pub in Dulles. He is very open about not liking pilots. When he addressed the new hire class, he was somewhat professional, but still did manage to work in a few anti pilot digs. At the brew pub he told me to my face that he knows pilots are selfish and only care about themselves, that we are terrible at working as a team, and are not loyal. In one way, isn’t that better then the normal management bs of calling us a family to our face then undercutting us? Don’t get me wrong I don’t like the man and he should not be trusted. Good luck all

I mean, in general, he isn't wrong.

dead meat
12-24-2018, 07:33 AM
I seriously doubt that he said those things - at least not in public with rank and file employees around and for sure not at a new hire pep talk.

He may think along those lines but absolutely nobody - regardless how incompetent - has that little situational awareness to go on the record in such a way.

I wouldn't have posted it if I hadn't heard it straight from the horse's mouth. And yeah, that's a double negative on Xmas Eve. Sorry, baby Jesus.

TFAYD
12-24-2018, 09:05 AM
I am no longer at C5, but during my time there I saw Subodh address our new hire class and talked to him one on one at the new hire dinner/ open tab at a brew pub in Dulles. He is very open about not liking pilots. When he addressed the new hire class, he was somewhat professional, but still did manage to work in a few anti pilot digs. At the brew pub he told me to my face that he knows pilots are selfish and only care about themselves, that we are terrible at working as a team, and are not loyal. In one way, isn’t that better then the normal management bs of calling us a family to our face then undercutting us? Don’t get me wrong I don’t like the man and he should not be trusted. Good luck all

Wow that is pretty inept on his part to not even pretend....

At least you know what you get then.

FlyRight2876
12-24-2018, 09:26 AM
I am no longer at C5, but during my time there I saw Subodh address our new hire class and talked to him one on one at the new hire dinner/ open tab at a brew pub in Dulles. He is very open about not liking pilots. When he addressed the new hire class, he was somewhat professional, but still did manage to work in a few anti pilot digs. At the brew pub he told me to my face that he knows pilots are selfish and only care about themselves, that we are terrible at working as a team, and are not loyal. In one way, isn’t that better then the normal management bs of calling us a family to our face then undercutting us? Don’t get me wrong I don’t like the man and he should not be trusted. Good luck all


Pretty sure the crews at Southwest, Skywest and others are loyal and hard working. You cannot treat your employees like garbage and expect them to produce for you. You get out of them what you put in to an extent. Who is he to talk about loyalty?

FlyRight2876
12-24-2018, 09:29 AM
I seriously doubt that he said those things - at least not in public with rank and file employees around and for sure not at a new hire pep talk.

He may think along those lines but absolutely nobody - regardless how incompetent - has that little situational awareness to go on the record in such a way.

I totally agree. It seems so hard to believe someone would be dumb enough to say that kinda stuff. Heard it from multiple sources so wasn't sure what to believe. Hence the thread.

John Carr
12-24-2018, 09:35 AM
I seriously doubt that he said those things - at least not in public with rank and file employees around and for sure not at a new hire pep talk.

He may think along those lines but absolutely nobody - regardless how incompetent - has that little situational awareness to go on the record in such a way.

Actually, there and have been;

Jim Ream/Jim Nides
Hulas Kanodia
Tom Moore
Orenstein.

Just to name a few.

v1valarob
12-24-2018, 10:48 AM
“Subodh, this summer we had really bad issues with extensions, it was almost guaranteed that you would be extended after a trip. What’s being done about that?”

His response, roughly: “we are working on it, we need more pilots. But at the end of the day if being extended to do your job is too much, then leave. There’s nothing I can do. But you can leave.”

This was in MY new hire class presentation.

Commutair is a great little airline. We’re a family. I’m glad he’s gone.

Our leadership is changing for the better. Getting who we have now as a CP is the first step.

DirkDiggler
12-24-2018, 04:06 PM
“Subodh, this summer we had really bad issues with extensions, it was almost guaranteed that you would be extended after a trip. What’s being done about that?”

His response, roughly: “we are working on it, we need more pilots. But at the end of the day if being extended to do your job is too much, then leave. There’s nothing I can do. But you can leave.”

This was in MY new hire class presentation.

Commutair is a great little airline. We’re a family. I’m glad he’s gone.

Our leadership is changing for the better. Getting who we have now as a CP is the first step.

Did he bail C5 under mysterious circumstances?

v1valarob
12-24-2018, 04:55 PM
Did he bail C5 under mysterious circumstances?

I think he found an opportunity, and went for it. Good luck to him. But I hope the expressjet pilots and flight attendants give him hell.

Pickle
12-24-2018, 06:55 PM
I was not a fan of him when he ran the show at ATA while I was there.

boyracer
12-24-2018, 07:52 PM
The company gave us at expressjet a chart showing the extension rate at other regionals and we had the highest non-extension rate amongst all of them. All we have to do is fill out a 5 question form , no questions asked , it’s paid, a non-event. The form shouldn’t even be required but whatever. This new CEO is gonna hate that.

DirkDiggler
12-24-2018, 11:07 PM
Our people at XJT are too seasoned to let some guy start treating them like crap. With a median CA longevity over 17 years, he'll probably just end up getting told to pound sand. He can't fire everyone, and this isn't 2001 where there more were pilots on the street than cockroaches. People will just refuse like they do now. "Hey we're gonna need you to do this turn at the end of your trip" "no thanks, buh bye" Real conversations.

Nevjets
12-25-2018, 03:57 PM
I am no longer at C5, but during my time there I saw Subodh address our new hire class and talked to him one on one at the new hire dinner/ open tab at a brew pub in Dulles. He is very open about not liking pilots. When he addressed the new hire class, he was somewhat professional, but still did manage to work in a few anti pilot digs. At the brew pub he told me to my face that he knows pilots are selfish and only care about themselves, that we are terrible at working as a team, and are not loyal. In one way, isn’t that better then the normal management bs of calling us a family to our face then undercutting us? Don’t get me wrong I don’t like the man and he should not be trusted. Good luck all






Did he bail C5 under mysterious circumstances?



I think he found an opportunity, and went for it. Good luck to him. But I hope the expressjet pilots and flight attendants give him hell.


Sounds like he was selfish and only cares about himself, that he is terrible at working as a team, and is not loyal.


Good luck to any pilot who finds and opportunity and goes for it.

/hypocrisy

Group W Bench
12-25-2018, 03:57 PM
He also threw an absolute tantrum about this time last year when he found out that about 6 pilots in the training department made more than he did due to the ineptitude of his management team.

FlyingMaryJane
12-26-2018, 04:35 AM
I am no longer at C5, but during my time there I saw Subodh address our new hire class and talked to him one on one at the new hire dinner/ open tab at a brew pub in Dulles. He is very open about not liking pilots. When he addressed the new hire class, he was somewhat professional, but still did manage to work in a few anti pilot digs. At the brew pub he told me to my face that he knows pilots are selfish and only care about themselves, that we are terrible at working as a team, and are not loyal. In one way, isn’t that better then the normal management bs of calling us a family to our face then undercutting us? Don’t get me wrong I don’t like the man and he should not be trusted. Good luck all


Your response to him face to face should have been.."Every american citizen HATES CEO's because they are selfish, greedy, and only care about themselves and just take huge bonuses and leave their employees with crumbs'.... Would have loved to see the look on his face after saying that! hahah

rogersmith
12-26-2018, 09:52 AM
I responded with something along the lines of “The only motivation anyone has to put on pants at 3am, is their mortgage”. Then I attempted to get him to expalin how loyalty works in a furlough. He pretended he needed to talk to someone and walked away. He really reminded me of the company sleeze balls I dealt with on the 135 side of life. I hope you all find a way to box him out, but United installed him. Best of luck.

DownInPetaluma
12-26-2018, 04:23 PM
It just doesn’t smell like a serious effort

sky jet
01-03-2019, 11:58 AM
I left CommutAir after 7 years in 1998 for ATA and when they shut down worked in India for 3 years so I'm watching this play out with morbid curiosity. Subodh has a lot of nerve talking about loyalty to anyone. He has moved from airline to airline for the last 20 years leaving a wake of failures and unhappy people in his trail. I hope the people at XJT don't have to pay for his hubris like so many others before them.

Docskoli
01-04-2019, 06:06 PM
He’s a scum bag period. XJT has a solid contract and has seen this before. You guys will eat him alive. As for C5? W are so better off wo him. He almost ruined this place.



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