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fireSHAD0W
12-25-2018, 12:12 AM
Hey guys,

Iím a Cadet (sold my soul) and will probably finish my hours by March. Wondering how the QOL is in MIA and whatís a reasonable timeframe for getting transferred/line there? Would I be better off bidding on the 175 if it pops up and commuting to ORD from MIA?


MD-11Loader
12-25-2018, 02:13 AM
Youíll hold MIA within a couple bid cycles. If you live there then bid the 145. Our reserve system is terrible, but if you live in base it is much better. Go for quality of life not quality of jet. The 145 is a good airplane, take it and enjoy being in base. The 175 has tremendous movement and youíll hold a line quickly in ORD, but you have to weigh all the options.

Pedro4President
12-25-2018, 02:27 AM
Hey guys,

Iím a Cadet (sold my soul) and will probably finish my hours by March. Wondering how the QOL is in MIA and whatís a reasonable timeframe for getting transferred/line there? Would I be better off bidding on the 175 if it pops up and commuting to ORD from MIA?

When it mattered I'd pour over the flow plan and sift through all the data to help predict company events. It is extremely difficult to predict and forecast reserve and line times due to a company that doesn't always plan staffing levels accurately. When I fly with guys in the 1600-1900 range they are only months apart in seniority but some are about to upgrade and some only have 250ish hours due to a company hiring binge.

With that said many people here will tell you pick the 145 and drive to work. It's what I wish I could tell you to do. If I were you I would look at the time it would take to hold a line in ORD 175 vs 145 reserve MIA/ 145 line MIA. You could likely be in ORD145 for 6-8 months followed by another 6-8 months of MIA145 reserve before you hold a line. ORD 175 would get you more time faster based on current hiring trends. Good luck if you have any specific questions or anything you are unsure feel free to ask. It's a crazy and weird time at Envoy.


pitchattitude
12-25-2018, 06:21 AM
Both NY and MIA are roughly 20-25% of the size of ORD and DFW. Thatís good when a base is junior, bad when it is senior. MIA is relatively senior. But either way, the ability to drive to work, especially if you are within one hour, and being on reserve, priceless.

Either way you choose, you will be commuting to ORD or DFW for a while, but the 145 is the most likely way to get the drive to work.

Cyio
12-25-2018, 12:44 PM
Drive to work. Itís really that simple.

highfarfast
12-25-2018, 07:12 PM
I'm of the opinion that you pick the drive to work which means picking whatever 145 options that are available and bid back to MIA asap. If you find that your seniority doesn't get as much flying as you want to do, at least you have the option to vacancy bid to more junior bases if you don't mind the commute.

If you pick the 175, you'll be commuting no matter what, no choices.

Pedro4President
12-25-2018, 08:09 PM
I'm of the opinion that you pick the drive to work which means picking whatever 145 options that are available and bid back to MIA asap. If you find that your seniority doesn't get as much flying as you want to do, at least you have the option to vacancy bid to more junior bases if you don't mind the commute.

If you pick the 175, you'll be commuting no matter what, no choices.

Picking the 175 will get him to a 1000 hours 6-8 months sooner than the 145 if he transfers to Miami and stays.

We had 15-20 DFW guys move to NY for more time and to hold a line and most actually live here.

QOL choice is 145 without question.
175 is the better choice for career progression.

Cyio
12-26-2018, 04:13 AM
Picking the 175 will get him to a 1000 hours 6-8 months sooner than the 145 if he transfers to Miami and stays.

We had 15-20 DFW guys move to NY for more time and to hold a line and most actually live here.

QOL choice is 145 without question.
175 is the better choice for career progression.
I mean money aside, a new hire isnít going to flow that quick anyway so career progression in my opinion is less of a factor. If you think you can get hired outside of the flow in a quicker time frame then yes, you will save 6 months. However, I wouldnít want to commute again, regardless of the extra time as in the long run those six months wonít matter that much if things stay the same, but if things change for the worse flying a jet that is based where you live would be huge.

Thankfully we are on good times right now and you have options. Just understand that most will tell you not to commute but there are tons and tons that still do it. Good luck.

NoValueAviator
12-26-2018, 05:06 AM
Youíd be crazy not to pick the 145 from my perspective, if its offered. Everything theyíre saying about the advantages of the 175 is true, and youíll hold a line right out of IOE with ok commutabity in ORD on it, but nothing could possibly beat living in base. MIA has much of the best flying in the company, by far the best on the 145. It is very senior though, and you likely wonít be able to hold it until youíve been here 9 mos, probably 4-6 of which will be spent commuting to reserve in ORD anyway.

Cyio
12-26-2018, 05:32 AM
Youíd be crazy not to pick the 145 from my perspective, if its offered. Everything theyíre saying about the advantages of the 175 is true, and youíll hold a line right out of IOE with ok commutabity in ORD on it, but nothing could possibly beat living in base. MIA has much of the best flying in the company, by far the best on the 145. It is very senior though, and you likely wonít be able to hold it until youíve been here 9 mos, probably 4-6 of which will be spent commuting to reserve in ORD anyway.
Yeah I agree and while this may be just a hunch, I feel those saying commute are either single or have never done it. Commuting is pretty hell and it robs you of time from your family and friends. This is time you wonít ever be able to get back. If I was single with nothing to go home too, sure commuting could be great, however I value the time with my wife and kids more than 6 months of quicker hours.

Not to mention island flying out MIA. Sure beats the hell out of 175 ORD to DSM.

Pedro4President
12-26-2018, 08:06 AM
Yeah I agree and while this may be just a hunch, I feel those saying commute are either single or have never done it. Commuting is pretty hell and it robs you of time from your family and friends. This is time you wonít ever be able to get back. If I was single with nothing to go home too, sure commuting could be great, however I value the time with my wife and kids more than 6 months of quicker hours.

Not to mention island flying out MIA. Sure beats the hell out of 175 ORD to DSM.

Four kids and I commuted for more than a year. This really isn't a mysterious topic we are talking about. We all know about commuting reserve and what that entails with QOL. We have had almost two dozen DFW guys transferred up to LGA that actually live in DFW simply to hold a line.

If he chose the 175 how many extra months would he be commuting?? 6 months? The only question is would it be worth it to commute to a line for 12-13 months vs commuting to reserve for three months then a crappy line for another three months folllowed by 6 months of reserve in base with airport stand by shifts?
He could hit 950 hours then go to the 145 CA in MIA.

Cyio
12-26-2018, 09:46 AM
Four kids and I commuted for more than a year. This really isn't a mysterious topic we are talking about. We all know about commuting reserve and what that entails with QOL. We have had almost two dozen DFW guys transferred up to LGA that actually live in DFW simply to hold a line.

If he chose the 175 how many extra months would he be commuting?? 6 months? The only question is would it be worth it to commute to a line for 12-13 months vs commuting to reserve for three months then a crappy line for another three months folllowed by 6 months of reserve in base with airport stand by shifts?
He could hit 950 hours then go to the 145 CA in MIA.

Like I stated it a previous post, people do whatís best for them. He asked an opinion and I stated mine. I value not commuting and donít mind sitting reserve if it meant I donít have to commute. To each their own.

NoValueAviator
12-26-2018, 10:02 AM
I don't know that anyone really answered OP's question so in January most Jr. FO holding MIA is approximately 9/18 hire, most Jr. lineholder is approximately a 10/17 hire. Good luck w/ your decision.

bigtime209
12-26-2018, 10:09 AM
I mean money aside, a new hire isnít going to flow that quick anyway so career progression in my opinion is less of a factor. If you think you can get hired outside of the flow in a quicker time frame then yes, you will save 6 months. However, I wouldnít want to commute again, regardless of the extra time as in the long run those six months wonít matter that much if things stay the same, but if things change for the worse flying a jet that is based where you live would be huge.

Thankfully we are on good times right now and you have options. Just understand that most will tell you not to commute but there are tons and tons that still do it. Good luck.

You're making the assumption that he's happy to just sit around waiting for the flow instead of trying build time quickly to get on with a major sooner than later. We'd need more info from the OP on what his goals are.

NoValueAviator
12-26-2018, 10:22 AM
Enjoying sky high QOL and getting a real flying job before your flow number comes up in 8-12 years aren't mutually exclusive. A lot of guys on here talk like gunners commuting across 3 timezones and sleeping in the most roach-infested crashpads, picking up every dog**** turn down to 8 days off in merciless pursuit of 1000 hrs TPIC but you never run into anyone doing that in real life.

Cyio
12-26-2018, 11:30 AM
You're making the assumption that he's happy to just sit around waiting for the flow instead of trying build time quickly to get on with a major sooner than later. We'd need more info from the OP on what his goals are.

Read up a couple posts, I stated to each their own. We all have different priorities. I ďassumeĒ flow because I know lots of people who have the time, degree and resume to get out to a major and are not receiving calls. Unless he/she is prior military and just needs the 121 check box I am going to assume they are here for at least a couple years, otherwise why bother. Lots of other regionals have higher monthly flight lines.

pitchattitude
12-26-2018, 03:10 PM
Read up a couple posts, I stated to each their own. We all have different priorities. I ďassumeĒ flow because I know lots of people who have the time, degree and resume to get out to a major and are not receiving calls. Unless he/she is prior military and just needs the 121 check box I am going to assume they are here for at least a couple years, otherwise why bother. Lots of other regionals have higher monthly flight lines.
OP clearly states (s)he sold soul to become a cadet. Not military. Didnít mention 4 year degree. The only (possible) evidence, at least on this site, of someone possibly getting picked up outside the flow low time was E175 Driver. While I do believe he legitimately is who he has claimed, he had a ERU degree, and I believe his (her?, but doubtful) daddy is at AA. I recall an early post from him. Nepotism is alive at AA. I sat on the JS with an interviewer and he told me specifically it has come into play recently.

While I believe the chances are getting better, you have to check a lot of boxes to get hired by a major. What those boxes are just depends on the person. But one way or the other, you have a lot of check marks to fill in before you get there. Some you can control, some you canít and some just take longer to check. Up to the individual how they want to go about checking those boxes.

bh539
12-26-2018, 04:42 PM
OP clearly states (s)he sold soul to become a cadet. Not military. Didnít mention 4 year degree. The only (possible) evidence, at least on this site, of someone possibly getting picked up outside the flow low time was E175 Driver. While I do believe he legitimately is who he has claimed, he had a ERU degree, and I believe his (her?, but doubtful) daddy is at AA. I recall an early post from him. Nepotism is alive at AA. I sat on the JS with an interviewer and he told me specifically it has come into play recently.

While I believe the chances are getting better, you have to check a lot of boxes to get hired by a major. What those boxes are just depends on the person. But one way or the other, you have a lot of check marks to fill in before you get there. Some you can control, some you canít and some just take longer to check. Up to the individual how they want to go about checking those boxes.

When are you going to realize this guy is a troll. You don't frequent many online forums do you?

pitchattitude
12-26-2018, 04:59 PM
When are you going to realize this guy is a troll. You don't frequent many online forums do you?
Youíre right. I donít. And I certainly believe he IS trolling, BUT that doesnít mean he isnít truthful. He has stayed in character VERY accurately and just gave up his story line if he was JUST making his story up.

And if he was just playing a character, then that gives all the more credence to my point, you have a LOT of boxes to check to get hired by a major.

SilentLurker
12-26-2018, 05:27 PM
Youíre right. I donít. And I certainly believe he IS trolling, BUT that doesnít mean he isnít truthful. He has stayed in character VERY accurately and just gave up his story line if he was JUST making his story up.



And if he was just playing a character, then that gives all the more credence to my point, you have a LOT of boxes to check to get hired by a major.


You were correct overall...
His uncle or family being a 777 LCA at AA, plus a second AA Mgmt type he knew. So 2 or more LORís and a ďERAUĒ degree he believes helped him stand out (cough cough), and a lot of supposed ďnetworkingĒ [/QUOTE]

Dilly dilly to him/her!

*We all know by now in aviation itís not so much what you know, but how you appear, who you are, who you know, and who the person is with power throws your way, and a little bit of luck.

NoValueAviator
12-27-2018, 07:22 AM
As someone who watches AA hiring closely, I'd be very surprised if that guy's story is accurate. Unless he's a visible minority, in which case all bets are off, but he seems to credit his "networking" ability lol.

fireSHAD0W
12-30-2018, 08:22 AM
Thanks for the answers guys, as expected there’s not one single best bet and kinda boils down to 175=hours 145=QOL. It’s given me lots to think about but I’m pretty sure it’s a choice that I could only appreciate after 6 months of actually working reserve/line. I’ve nonreved a few trips and can imagine the hell when that’s on the tail of a long trip.

If it helps I am indeed not military, but yes 4 year degree. Married, no kids, 26 and rent an apartment in Miami.

As of now I think I’d prefer the E175 commute for the 1000 and then possibly back to MIA as 145 CA. But I’ll report back with what I get.

fireSHAD0W
12-30-2018, 08:31 AM
Oh and just a few more clarifications on how reserve works.

If I were to go 145 and commute ORD until Iím senior enough to transfer to MIA, do I again have to do reserve until Iím senior enough to hold a line?

If instead I pick 175 and commute until I can upgrade, then Iím not seatlocked so I pick 145, I would have to continue to commute until Iím senior enough to MIA and then reserve there until I can bid a line, correct?

MD-11Loader
12-30-2018, 08:39 AM
Oh and just a few more clarifications on how reserve works.

If I were to go 145 and commute ORD until Iím senior enough to transfer to MIA, do I again have to do reserve until Iím senior enough to hold a line?

If instead I pick 175 and commute until I can upgrade, then Iím not seatlocked so I pick 145, I would have to continue to commute until Iím senior enough to MIA and then reserve there until I can bid a line, correct?

Youíre reserve in the base youíre in until you can hold a line in that base. Same with when you upgrade. You probably wonít hold MIA right away and would be in ORD and have to transfer in and youíd very well be on reserve then as well.



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