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Lumberg823
12-25-2018, 11:03 AM
I saw a thread like this last year and thought it was helpful when making a decision on which airline is best for each person who isn’t at their last job yet. I’m perfectly happy at UAL although only here less than 6 months so my figures are not the greatest for determing which airline is best for each person. This is not meant to be a _____ measuring contest, rather a realistic survey of what it is like at every airline. If you could post your; airline, years for pay, take home salary, airframe, hours flown, days worked, in domicile or out, bonus and other compensation for a total compensation. Thanks and Merry Christmas everyone!

UAL
1st year (<6 months)
~44k (training pay of 90 hours a month in the beginning)
320
165 in 4 months on the line
52 (18 a month while on rsv and last month only 4 while in domicile and on rsv)
3 months out of domicile and 1 in
No bonus yet 1st year but the standard 16% 401k contribution for an approx total compensation of 53k for almost 6 months with United.


ZapBrannigan
12-25-2018, 12:11 PM
SWA
4th year FO
Gross pay on the last pay stub of the year $189,746
752 hours in the last 365 days. (one trip left this year)
$26,140 contributed via the NEC (B fund)

Not sure how many total days at work. Iím usually bidding 15-17 days off per month. I donít fly extra very often.



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Floobs
12-25-2018, 12:20 PM
Ah yes, the yearly **** measuring contest.


StayFrosty
12-25-2018, 12:29 PM
SWA
1st Year FO (1.5 months on 2nd year pay)
Gross of $116,105
Block 746:10 in last 365

I pickup a bit (a lot) so the amount of days off fluctuated but around 2 weeks off per month just scattered about. Not the greatest for QOL but I had no choice due to the pay cut required to come to SWA.

14.2% in 401K

We shall see what the profit sharing will be but the experts (whoever they are) say it should be around 10% this year.

Hope this info helps. It helped me a lot when I was thinking of making the switch. Please donít look at these surveys as a measuring contest but a real world way to gauge what can be put into your account to feed your families and put a roof over their heads. We are professionals, live as such, and should be compensated accordingly. Anyways my $0.02.

Safe flying everyone.

Macjet
12-25-2018, 12:29 PM
Ah yes, the yearly **** measuring context.

Contest

...

RJSAviator76
12-25-2018, 12:43 PM
Southwest

Year 2-3 FO living in the domicile
Gross pay on the final pay stub: $207,037 (includes PS excess check from 2017)
Per Diem: $7,414
401k NEC company contribution: $28,525
2018 Profit Sharing: still unknown.

Total compensation: $242,976

Block: 781 hours


I will echo StayFrosty and also say that this is not a yearly **** measuring contest, but rather useful real-life data for those doing homework and pondering their next move.

PotatoChip
12-25-2018, 01:57 PM
I honestly LOVE this thread. I donít think anyone (at least 98% of posters) are bragging or attempting to show off. Itís just good, useful info for all involved!! And itís motivation for those of us in our 40s still trying to make the jump into the big leagues.
Thank you for posting!

viper548
12-25-2018, 02:35 PM
AA-year 5 airbus FO. $204k (including per diem and profit sharing) 401k was an additional 31k. I had a couple premium trips. First 7 months commuted to a line, last 5 lived in base and bid short call reserve. As a line holder I probably averaged 90 hours a month and 18 days away from home. As a reserve I've averaged 53 hours a month, flying an average of 10 days.

ChecklistMonkey
12-25-2018, 03:57 PM
DAL 2/3 Year FO (70/30)

Total Taxable compensation: $145,000
Block < 550 hours
Average days off 18-20
No premium trips
401k: $36,000 (16% DC + 8% personal)
Commuter
2017 Profit Sharing $13,000

GogglesPisano
12-25-2018, 04:07 PM
Ah yes, the yearly **** measuring contest.

Itís a valuable metric. Consider the fact that in other professions corporations go to great lengths to keep the information secret.

at6d
12-25-2018, 05:08 PM
SWA end of year 3
$148,700 pay only with per diem.
No premium, no extra flying.
720 block in 365.
NEC $20K.

BeechPilot33
12-25-2018, 05:26 PM
Piedmont CA 2/3

Total Compensation: $93,000
Average days off: 9-11
Block: >800
3x Premium 1x or 2x per month
401k DC: $726
Vacation: 34 days

Deductions: FICA + union dues + med and dental= 24% . (22K)

slavetotheman
12-25-2018, 06:13 PM
All but one month on year 2 at SW.

370 block (habitual reserve bidder)
~$140k gross
~$20k NEC
Usually averaged 12-13 days not on call but 22-23 days off if you include unused reserve days. The perks of living in domicile.
Profit sharing TBD

Ducttape
12-25-2018, 06:36 PM
Spirit

5 year CA
$273,000 gross
$5700 per diem
$23,595 DC

640 block

DENpilot
12-25-2018, 06:36 PM
F9 4 yr FO
741 block hrs
$153,225.44

fadec
12-25-2018, 07:45 PM
Youknigted 3 years. 3,4 year pay. Reserve. Sovereign Citizen.
Total compensation: 42 BTC and a Christmas meal.
Taxable income: 0

ELAC321
12-25-2018, 10:23 PM
Yr 2 ALK FO

120k Taxable income
15% 401K (15.5 next yr)
Guessing around 6% for profit sharing
Don't work much drop everything I can.

iHateAMR
12-25-2018, 11:45 PM
Year 2/3 FO FDX (May)

Line Holder Commuter, 8 months of work (4 months mil leave) havenít flown a night hub turn all year.

$149,562.03 Gross Pay
$13,070.12 Company B Fund Contribution

570 hours of flight time.

Missing Half of December pay stub and unused vacation hour payouts.

Estimate ~100 hours at 3rd year pay rate missing from above numbers. So $17,800 + $1,602 B Fund.

Good luck!

seekingblue
12-26-2018, 03:35 AM
Piedmont CA 2/3

Total Compensation: $93,000
Average days off: 9-11
Block: >800
3x Premium 1x or 2x per month
401k DC: $726
Vacation: 34 days


Deductions: FICA + union dues + med and dental= 24% . (22K)

Just a heads up..... Flica and union dues are no longer deductable under the new tax law.

Silver02ex
12-26-2018, 03:55 AM
Spirit 4 year CA
$225,000 Gross
$19,700 DC (should be $21,000 at the end)
8 days of 200% pay trips
515 block
Commuter

biigD
12-26-2018, 04:10 AM
Mostly year 5 (few months of year 4) AA 737 FO:

Gross (everything but 401k): $207,200
Companyís 401k DC: $32,400

No premium and I take my vacation, but I did work 171 days for the year. Thatís a little more than 14 per month. I favor high value trips, so while 14 days per month isnít bad, itís a lot of flying while out on the road - almost 800 block hours.

nuball5
12-26-2018, 04:38 AM
Jetblue E190 FO
Half 2nd yr pay pre-CBA rate
Half 3rd yr pay CBA rate
Gross: $120,000
15% DC
550 block

wilco811
12-26-2018, 05:18 AM
Allegiant 2/3 yr FO
live in base
Fly a lot in busy months bid reserve slow months
130K
525 hrs flown
Plus 10% 401K

Learjet driver
12-26-2018, 05:48 AM
UAL A320 Capt. 12 year pay
4 months as a 756 FO/ 2 months in training
287K gross
36.5K 401K b&c fund
13K spill over to health retirement acct.
blocked 580

GogglesPisano
12-26-2018, 05:57 AM
DL 717 CA
Year 12
$340K not including per diem, not including 16%DC until 401k limit.
720hrs block

flyguy81
12-26-2018, 06:17 AM
Swa yr 3 FO
$179k
$6400 of that is per diem, $2800 is cash from profit sharing spillover
$25k to the 401k - B fund
$14.5k profit sharing (from 2017)
~ total for 2018 - $218,500

Around 780 hrs flown. Pick up a couple day trips or a 2 day a month. Avg 15 or so off a month.

e6bpilot
12-26-2018, 07:27 AM
I personally find this thread enlightening every year and use to as a sort of measuring stick for how everyone stacks up in the industry, certainly not to make myself feel better. It always amazes me how different people with different bidding strategies and flying habits at different places are doing pay wise. You always hear this and that or read things but until people lay it out here, it is hard to add context.

e6bpilot
12-26-2018, 07:43 AM
For me:
SWA year 4/5 FO commuter so rarely sit reserve.
Kid in private college and I am writing checks to pay for tuition so I work more than that average pilot but am not a varsity level ďplayerĒ. Average 135tfp per month.
This year has seen a big manning swing in the right seat (hopefully temporary) so a plentiful inventory of open time used to mean I could manipulate my schedule and work 14-15 days and end up in the 130-140 tfp range, but that has changed and since summer there has been zero premium open time.

Total gross on paystub - $218,114
Perdiem - $7,173
Company 401k - $30,972
Profit sharing - $23,518 (2017 contribution paid this year)
Block - used to hover around 700-750 but since October has been above 800.
Days worked - depends on the month. Summer 14-16 days, now around 16-18 days to make up for lack of quality open time.

Therealeagle
12-26-2018, 07:53 AM
American Eagle "Envoy"
-21 years
-166k
-108 days worked (no weekends, no holidays)
-81 overnights
-commuter
-31.7k 401k, (8% match and 18.5k contribution)

Spicy McHaggis
12-26-2018, 08:05 AM
12 year UAL guy


Jan through early June a 777FO
Late June mid July training
Late July through Dec 320CA


Total gross including per diem and profit sharing in addition to the regular earnings: $313,300


B-Plan: $46,000


Total $359,300 more or less.


Block for the year: 675hrs


Don't know the days off. Training jacked that up anyway. 2019 will be a better judge.





On paper looking only at total earnings, I made five grand less this year by upgrading... whoops... So that's why I'm more senior as a 320CA than a 777FO :confused::o:D






In actuality, it has a lot to do with the $14k less profit sharing between 2017 and 2018 along with not working hard..er playing the game.. on the 777 the first half of the year like I did the year prior. The delta between the two seats should be considerably better in 2019.


As it stands my regular earnings for 2018 is $285,600 for 1125hrs of pay (with a sizable portion of the 2018 hrs being on the lower 777FO pay rate) vs $279,500 for 1234hrs of pay in 2017.

dawgdriver
12-26-2018, 08:50 AM
I disagree with the 'measuring' analogy. Although some may be guilty, most are not and provide valuable insight for those looking to make vital career decisions. It's hard for applicants, particularly those coming from the military, to decipher the work rules of every airline. Pay scales can be misleading when applied to W-2s.

Good stuff

Skypilotsv1984
12-26-2018, 09:43 AM
Year 2 NK FO

Still one more pay check to go for 2018

Line holder, in base, hustled some months, took it easy other months.

$115.3k gross pay
$11.1k employer 401k contribution
$9.5k medical/dental/vision/ STD
$6.1k per diem

$142k total compensation

Warhawg01
12-26-2018, 10:00 AM
Year 2 Southwest

Gross: 133K
Per Diem: $5700
Company NEC: $18.9K
Assumed PS of 10%: $13K
TOTAL: $171K

No Open Time pick ups. Grabbed a trip from pilot give away every other month of so. Live in base, so all numbers below assume an unused reserve day as a day off (about 24 for the year).

Total Work Days: 147
Total TAFB: 2,532 Hours = 105 Days
Average work days per month: 12.3
Average days off per month: 18.2

Total Block: 670 Hours

Total TFP (hours): 1300 (1130)
Average per month: 109 TFP (95 hours)

Marathon Man
12-26-2018, 10:42 AM
13 year B6 A320 CA

Worked my ass off some months, total slacker (reserve in base, or minimum line) others...

645 block for the year, average of 14 days off/month.

$365.7K total, broken out as follows:

$290K Regular, vacation and per diem.
$21K in PTO sellback, basically selling back sick/vacation bank.
$35K company 401(k) contribution.
$19.7K "signing bonus" for new CBA.

FWIW live in base, can't hold weekends in the bid but drop or sacrifice credit during the month to improve QOL.

hoover
12-26-2018, 11:11 AM
Year 2 Southwest

Gross: 133K
Per Diem: $5700
Company NEC: $18.9K
Assumed PS of 10%: $13K
TOTAL: $171K

No Open Time pick ups. Grabbed a trip from pilot give away every other month of so. Live in base, so all numbers below assume an unused reserve day as a day off (about 24 for the year).

Total Work Days: 147
Total TAFB: 2,532 Hours = 105 Days
Average work days per month: 12.3
Average days off per month: 18.2

Total Block: 670 Hours

Total TFP (hours): 1300 (1130)
Average per month: 109 TFP (95 hours)

Does swapa break it down like that for us or did you have to do the math?
Ie days worked /off tfp etc

hoover
12-26-2018, 11:33 AM
Sw FO yr 2/3
Live in base only picked up 13 days for the yr. Average 17 days off a month
Gross- 142,306
Per diem - 5272
NEC - 20,207
Total- 167,785
Block- 657

Easiest flying job I've ever had

Warhawg01
12-26-2018, 12:01 PM
Does swapa break it down like that for us or did you have to do the math?
Ie days worked /off tfp etc

I tracked it myself.

p3flteng
12-26-2018, 02:01 PM
11 yr DL 717 Cap
268k including 30 k in profit sharing
Does not include 36.5 in 401k contributions from DL

Worked 280 hrs,
Mostly sat reserve in base and did not work much as I am 60 % ish in category. On call for 17 days usually with 3 average days per month of short call. Usually only worked a 4 day trip every month on average , had a line 3 total months in 2018 because I was bored or currency tending or just needed to get out of the house.

I aspire to be on the less work more pay program...

BoilerUP
12-26-2018, 02:10 PM
UPS FO, year 4/5

$214,235 gross earnings excluding perdiem
---$5,101 in Open Time & JA pay
---$7,897 in Premiums and Late Arrival Pay
---$12,116 in sick check

$23,918 into MPP (DC Plan)

<470 block hours
134 total days worked
19 hotel layovers

Aero1900
12-26-2018, 02:29 PM
5th/6th year Frontier FO

$92,500 in income & per diem. One pay check to go

$8,000 in company contributions to my 401K

Almost exactly 100k in total compensation with about $11,000 in deductions for Health ins, Ltd, vision, hsa, union dues, etc.

godsnotapilot
12-26-2018, 03:11 PM
Trans States FO
1st year

$60,000 Total

$4,500 per diem
$10,000 new hire bonus

1,200 hours of block
700 flight hours in 9 months

seekingblue
12-26-2018, 03:20 PM
Trans States FO
1st year

$60,000 Total

$4,500 per diem
$10,000 new hire bonus

1,200 hours of block
700 flight hours in 9 months

congrats! My first year at 9E was right at 19k on the Saaab. Glad to see regional airlines are paying decent wages

marcal
12-26-2018, 03:48 PM
Large Southeastern Legacy
Year 4/5 320CA
Live in Base
About 500 block

*This includes an estimate for my one remaining check:

Total Comp: $352K see below for breakdown

Salary: $272K
Per Diem: $5K
Profit Share: $39K(From 2017, but paid in 2018)
DC 401k Contributions: $36K
Maxed out 401K by also contributing 9% of my salary.

Mostly 1 and 2 day trips so physically in my home most days.

Aero1900
12-26-2018, 03:53 PM
5th/6th year Frontier FO

$92,500 in income & per diem. One pay check to go

$8,000 in company contributions to my 401K

Almost exactly 100k in total compensation with about $11,000 in deductions for Health ins, Ltd, vision, hsa, union dues, etc.

I should have mentioned that I did not fly over my vacations nor did I fly any incentive trips or junior assignments. Basically did the bare minimum

Ducttape
12-26-2018, 04:24 PM
I should have mentioned that I did not fly over my vacations nor did I fly any incentive trips or junior assignments. Basically did the bare minimum

The villagers with pitchforks in the Frontier forums would have been on your doorstep if you hadn't clarified...

ShyGuy
12-26-2018, 06:32 PM
I made one hundred bajillion dollars.


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ShyGuy
12-26-2018, 06:40 PM
It is a **** measuring context. AA narrowbody FO guy says he made 204k. And then writes he flew 18 days a month (so 12 off) and averaged 90 hrs. Sorry, but how is that even remotely reflective of the average line holder? And more importantly, how does that help any current 40 yr old guy on the outside looking in? News flash, some pilots over work themselves and sellout vacation/personal time to pad their pockets more.

Someone decided to start this thread on Christmas Day, because when you wake up on the 25th of December, the first thought is ďI wonder what all pilots made this year.Ē :rolleyes:

PilotJ3
12-26-2018, 06:45 PM
DAL 320 FO 2nd yr

176k, still missing one check

That includes Profit Sharing, 401k (16%Dal and 5% mins), per diem and bonus rewards ($800 so far this year)

Net home income so far for this year 100k. AvG 80-85hrs cdt a month and 16-18 days off.

PotatoChip
12-26-2018, 06:46 PM
It is a **** measuring context. AA narrowbody FO guy says he made 204k. And then writes he flew 18 days a month (so 12 off) and averaged 90 hrs. Sorry, but how is that even remotely reflective of the average line holder? And more importantly, how does that help any current 40 yr old guy on the outside looking in? News flash, some pilots over work themselves and sellout vacation/personal time to pad their pockets more.

Someone decided to start this thread on Christmas Day, because when you wake up on the 25th of December, the first thought is ďI wonder what all pilots made this year.Ē :rolleyes:

You can read between the lines, right?? So can I.
Those of us who use this thread also have a reasonable amount of understanding of what weíre reading.

Also, relax and let the rest of us enjoy it/use it.

Thrust Hold
12-26-2018, 07:19 PM
It is a **** measuring context. AA narrowbody FO guy says he made 204k. And then writes he flew 18 days a month (so 12 off) and averaged 90 hrs. Sorry, but how is that even remotely reflective of the average line holder? And more importantly, how does that help any current 40 yr old guy on the outside looking in? News flash, some pilots over work themselves and sellout vacation/personal time to pad their pockets more.

Someone decided to start this thread on Christmas Day, because when you wake up on the 25th of December, the first thought is “I wonder what all pilots made this year.” :rolleyes:

I didn’t think that this had anything to do with “Average Line Holders.” It’s a swath of the industry and reflects everyone from Line Holders to Reserves, from FO’s to Capt’, Hustlers to Slackers, etc. Take from it what you will, but it shows you what’s possible for each/every walk of life.

Thank goodness some of these places allow the Schedule Flexibility that enables those that prioritize QOL to do so, while others can earn some extra coin if they desire.

nuball5
12-26-2018, 07:48 PM
It is a **** measuring context. AA narrowbody FO guy says he made 204k. And then writes he flew 18 days a month (so 12 off) and averaged 90 hrs. Sorry, but how is that even remotely reflective of the average line holder? And more importantly, how does that help any current 40 yr old guy on the outside looking in? News flash, some pilots over work themselves and sellout vacation/personal time to pad their pockets more.

Someone decided to start this thread on Christmas Day, because when you wake up on the 25th of December, the first thought is ďI wonder what all pilots made this year.Ē :rolleyes:

Then some also include their per diem and 401K DC contributions in with their total compensation, which I find a little cringeworthy. Might as well include your monthly airport parking reimbursement if we're gonna add tax exempt items like per diem. Could be just me though.

mainlineAF
12-26-2018, 07:50 PM
It is a **** measuring context. AA narrowbody FO guy says he made 204k. And then writes he flew 18 days a month (so 12 off) and averaged 90 hrs. Sorry, but how is that even remotely reflective of the average line holder? And more importantly, how does that help any current 40 yr old guy on the outside looking in? News flash, some pilots over work themselves and sellout vacation/personal time to pad their pockets more.



Someone decided to start this thread on Christmas Day, because when you wake up on the 25th of December, the first thought is ďI wonder what all pilots made this year.Ē :rolleyes:



No. Itís a good comparison.

m3113n1a1
12-26-2018, 08:05 PM
Then some also include their per diem and 401K DC contributions in with their total compensation, which I find a little cringeworthy. Might as well include your monthly airport parking reimbursement if we're gonna add tax exempt items like per diem. Could be just me though.

Probably because that's how their paystub presents it and they're too lazy to subtract out the per diem? 401k contributions are important though.

ImperialxRat
12-26-2018, 08:29 PM
Alaska 2nd year FO

$145.3k gross
$20k employer 401k contribution

One paycheck to go as well as performance based pay (our cheaper version of profit sharing)

I don’t have my block hours handy but average days off was about 14, and I didn’t pick up any premium. (Not out of principle, we just don’t have much premium flying and I live 2 hours from the airport)

MudhammedCJ
12-26-2018, 08:37 PM
SWA 11 year lazy FO
Worked 109 days after vacation and a couple of sick calls
About 9 days a month on average
Flew 654 hours
185K (after removing PS overage from 2017)
Not counting per diem because that's crazy
26K company 401k contribution
18.5K profit sharing (guess based on 10%)
229.5K total
I'm a real underachiever

Spicy McHaggis
12-26-2018, 09:30 PM
Then some also include their per diem and 401K DC contributions in with their total compensation, which I find a little cringeworthy. Might as well include your monthly airport parking reimbursement if we're gonna add tax exempt items like per diem. Could be just me though.



I see no problem in that as long as itís broken down. $45,000 thrown into a B fund isnít exactly chump change and should be mentioned when talking compensation. Per diem and 401k matches while not as much as a percentage in total comp still have a monetary value.

OOfff
12-26-2018, 10:07 PM
Legacy FO
549k
Worked 36 days total
3 overnights, all in June, all at the family cabin, all 96 hours long
13 steak dinners purchased by captains
And my wife still finds me sexually appealing

m3113n1a1
12-26-2018, 10:18 PM
Legacy FO
549k
Worked 36 days total
3 overnights, all in June, all at the family cabin, all 96 hours long
13 steak dinners purchased by captains
And my wife still finds me sexually appealing

13 steak dinners on 3 overnights?! That's a lot of steak!!

hilltopflyer
12-26-2018, 10:30 PM
13 steak dinners on 3 overnights?! That's a lot of steak!!

He gets captains to buy steaks for him while at home.

OOfff
12-26-2018, 10:33 PM
He gets captains to buy steaks for him while at home.

Itís contractual

feltf4
12-27-2018, 02:37 AM
Legacy FO
549k
Worked 36 days total
3 overnights, all in June, all at the family cabin, all 96 hours long
13 steak dinners purchased by captains
And my wife still finds me sexually appealing

Just out of curiosity, do you happen to wear a white t-shirt with a college logo on it tucked into a pair of Levi jeans and white new balance tennis shoes? I think I might have seen you before.

Xtreme87
12-27-2018, 03:26 AM
Just out of curiosity, do you happen to wear a white t-shirt with a college logo on it tucked into a pair of Levi jeans and white new balance tennis shoes? I think I might have seen you before.

He also has a pager attached to his belt.

feltf4
12-27-2018, 04:11 AM
He also has a pager attached to his belt.

Oh darn, wrong guy.. I donít remember seeing the pager. I do believe he had a Bluetooth in his ear... you are right not a pilot... everyone can go back to comparing their wages!

nuball5
12-27-2018, 04:19 AM
I see no problem in that as long as itís broken down. $45,000 thrown into a B fund isnít exactly chump change and should be mentioned when talking compensation. Per diem and 401k matches while not as much as a percentage in total comp still have a monetary value.

I know 401k isn't chump change, but it still cannot be taken out until 10-30 years later for most or taken out tomorrow with a steep tax penalty. I guess you could also take a 401k loan if there's a hardship.

Sputnik
12-27-2018, 04:48 AM
... Might as well include your monthly airport parking reimbursement if we're gonna add tax exempt items like per diem. Could be just me though.

Who gets airport parking reimbursement?

Airhoss
12-27-2018, 04:52 AM
Legacy FO
549k
Worked 36 days total
3 overnights, all in June, all at the family cabin, all 96 hours long
13 steak dinners purchased by captains
And my wife still finds me sexually appealing

Only 549k? You must be on the old contract.

iHateAMR
12-27-2018, 06:09 AM
Who gets airport parking reimbursement?

FedEx, up to something like $350/quarter.

DisbandtheRLA
12-27-2018, 06:39 AM
Alaska 2nd year FO

$145.3k gross
$20k employer 401k contribution

One paycheck to go as well as performance based pay (our cheaper version of profit sharing)

I don’t have my block hours handy but average days off was about 14, and I didn’t pick up any premium. (Not out of principle, we just don’t have much premium flying and I live 2 hours from the airport)

You don't have a paycheck to go at Alaska. Your 12/20 check is your last one for 2018. The rest will reflect on your 2019 pay. I understand what you're thinking in your head right now, but thats how the eskimo does it. You also need to take your 2017 PBP out of there. It is reflected in your gross.

VnavPath
12-27-2018, 06:49 AM
Who gets airport parking reimbursement?

At United we can expense it if we donít use the domicile parking.

ParrotBay031
12-27-2018, 06:50 AM
JetBlue

1st year E190 FO

$91,000 Gross (1/2 the year on pre CBA pay)
*Projected (130k if on CBA pay entire year)

$4,500 Per Diem

$10,000 401k contribution @ 15% (1/2 the year)

516 hrs flying (tons of soft pay)

averaged 16 days working a month (10 away from home)

*No profit sharing to report as of yet (comes in April of following year)

Total: $105,500

Long Landing
12-27-2018, 07:04 AM
Endeavor ( 8 months YR 2 FO, 1 month YR 3 FO, 3 months YR 3 CA)
Gross: $92,673.28 including $6,990.71 in per diem
Block: 389:41
Some premium and lots of soft pay
17-18 days off per month as an FO and 10-12 days off per month as a CA

Spicy McHaggis
12-27-2018, 07:34 AM
Who gets airport parking reimbursement?




At UAL if you're EWR based and park in LGA you are reimbursed for the parking garage cost (and something like $90 for cross town pay)

badflaps
12-27-2018, 08:00 AM
Endeavor ( 8 months YR 2 FO, 1 month YR 3 FO, 3 months YR 3 CA)
Gross: $92,673.28 including $6,990.71 in per diem
Block: 389:41
Some premium and lots of soft pay
17-18 days off per month as an FO and 10-12 days off per month as a CA

Boy, that is totally different than a few years ago.:)

Peacock
12-27-2018, 08:30 AM
SWA FO, year 1 for 2/3 of the year, year 2 for the rest.

103k gross
16.3k 401k DC
5k per diem
profit sharing TBD
About 125,000 plus profit sharing.

I mostly bid reserve, and flew 425 block hours. I also am a military reservist and spent two months on orders plus some occasional dropped trips to drill. Thatís also why the DC is a little high.

nuball5
12-27-2018, 08:38 AM
Who gets airport parking reimbursement?

Jetblue.....

ImperialxRat
12-27-2018, 08:49 AM
You don't have a paycheck to go at Alaska. Your 12/20 check is your last one for 2018. The rest will reflect on your 2019 pay. I understand what you're thinking in your head right now, but thats how the eskimo does it. You also need to take your 2017 PBP out of there. It is reflected in your gross.

Okay thanks, that changes things. I also didn't separate per diem.

Alaska Second year FO
$134k
$5k per diem
$20k employer contribution 401k

navigatro
12-27-2018, 09:07 AM
UPS domestic 12+ year F/O

Bid reserve. about 280 hours block.


232K base pay
45K overtime/JA/premium
15K sick payout
32K B fund

total $324K plus 5K per diem.

RJSAviator76
12-27-2018, 09:07 AM
Keep them coming folks.

Per diem isnít income per se, but it also provides gouge into time spent away from home.

Otters
12-27-2018, 09:15 AM
legacy fo
549k
worked 36 days total
3 overnights, all in june, all at the family cabin, all 96 hours long
13 steak dinners purchased by captains
and my wife still finds me sexually appealing

a350 dal..."...............................................

Thrust Hold
12-27-2018, 09:44 AM
Year 2 NK FO

Still one more pay check to go for 2018

Line holder, in base, hustled some months, took it easy other months.

$115.3k gross pay
$11.1k employer 401k contribution
$9.5k medical/dental/vision/ STD
$6.1k per diem

$142k total compensation

This guy even counted Insurance as Income/Compensation. :rolleyes:

DisbandtheRLA
12-27-2018, 09:56 AM
4th year Eskimo FO

Total Gross 175k

per diem: 6.5k

2017 Performance based bonus: 8.2k

company contribution 401k: 23k



I had a healthy mix of 74 hour months and 100 hour months.

Dragon7
12-27-2018, 10:20 AM
Half year 5, half year 6 UAL NB FO
Live in base. LH.
Work hard 6 months a year
Coast 6 months a year, 3 months on reserve.
6 months above 105 pay
6 months below 80.
Flew 850/paid 1140
Donít know days worked but less than 170
Gross regular pay 201 not including PS.
B/C contribution 32+
PD 8500
A good bidder.

Duckdude
12-27-2018, 10:24 AM
Trans States FO
1st year

$60,000 Total

$4,500 per diem
$10,000 new hire bonus

1,200 hours of block
700 flight hours in 9 months

Wow, I made $15,608 my first year at TSA. Max landing weight of the Jetstream I was flying was 15,609 lbs. so I missed earning $1/pound by $1. Second year was much better though, I broke $17,000.

4V14T0R
12-27-2018, 10:34 AM
This guy even counted Insurance as Income/Compensation. :rolleyes:



You must not understand the difference between income and compensation. Generally benefits are included into the conversation with compensation and wages is just income.


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sobo
12-27-2018, 10:46 AM
PDT 2 year FO pay

Guarantee ~ $37,000
ABV Guarantee ~ $23,000
Bonuses ~ $18,000
Per Diem ~ $5300
Total gross: $84,000

Credit: 1457 hours
Block: 708 hours

Days off per month 11 guaranteed, most months I’d go down to about 7.

at6d
12-27-2018, 10:51 AM
Oh I forgot, we paid zero in health care premiums this year.

Thrust Hold
12-27-2018, 11:18 AM
You must not understand the difference between income and compensation. Generally benefits are included into the conversation with compensation and wages is just income.


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So itís just an oddity that nobody else listed it in the previous 9 pages?

4V14T0R
12-27-2018, 11:28 AM
So itís just an oddity that nobody else listed it in the previous 9 pages?



Thereís no standard everyone is keeping to here except wages. People choose to add what they want. I admit itís a little unnecessary to add medical but 401K is nice to see.


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All In
12-27-2018, 11:32 AM
UAL 6yr WB FO
Reserve

208275 Pay
12300 PS
4980 PD
33325 401k

258,880 total

-if helps anyone considering WB vs NB
516 block hours (zzz in bunk for 200+/- of them)
18 trips (1.5 monthly average for the mathematically challenged)
46 legs (3.8 monthly average)
28 layovers (2.3 monthly average)

symbian simian
12-27-2018, 11:49 AM
Then some also include their per diem and 401K DC contributions in with their total compensation, which I find a little cringeworthy. Might as well include your monthly airport parking reimbursement if we're gonna add tax exempt items like per diem. Could be just me though.

I might be the stupid minority here, but I think as long as you post your numbers you might as well include other benefits/deficits, as they are part of the overall compensation. Yes, you are supposed to spend your pd on the road, but if yours is half or twice the norm, it does impact the numbers. The same for 401K (as our at NK is below average), parking and things like free healthcare (SWA regular plan). As long as it is itemized it is okay to me.

e6bpilot
12-27-2018, 12:08 PM
In that case:
SWA
I paid zero health care premiums but paid for:
Parking $180
Disability insurance $3k
Uniform upkeep around $300
No crew meals
But hey, I get 30 percent off the 100 percent markup in the hotel bar.

AYLflyer
12-27-2018, 01:06 PM
JetBlue

1st year E190 FO

$91,000 Gross (1/2 the year on pre CBA pay)
*Projected (130k if on CBA pay entire year)

$4,500 Per Diem

$10,000 401k contribution @ 15% (1/2 the year)

516 hrs flying (tons of soft pay)

averaged 16 days working a month (10 away from home)

*No profit sharing to report as of yet (comes in April of following year)

Total: $105,500

Not to be the one to call BS, but 91k gross on first year pay at B6 on the 190? Did you sell back a ton of PTO?

I'm here and didn't even break 100k on year 2 pay on the 190. We haven't even had 6 months of new CBA pay/retirement and if you're on year 1 you would have been at $53ish/hr until August when we passed the CBA, plus whatever you got during training for 6ish weeks. I don't see any way a 1st year 190 FO would be at 100k.

ZapBrannigan
12-27-2018, 01:44 PM
In that case:
SWA
I paid zero health care premiums but paid for:
Parking $180
Disability insurance $3k
Uniform upkeep around $300
No crew meals
But hey, I get 30 percent off the 100 percent markup in the hotel bar.



Donít forget what you paid for bidding software, a schedule display app, and vacation optimizer software.


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hilltopflyer
12-27-2018, 02:36 PM
Not to be the one to call BS, but 91k gross on first year pay at B6 on the 190? Did you sell back a ton of PTO?

I'm here and didn't even break 100k on year 2 pay on the 190. We haven't even had 6 months of new CBA pay/retirement and if you're on year 1 you would have been at $53ish/hr until August when we passed the CBA, plus whatever you got during training for 6ish weeks. I don't see any way a 1st year 190 FO would be at 100k.

I was wondering. Iím thinking a lot of rsa/vda

symbian simian
12-27-2018, 02:40 PM
In that case:
SWA
I paid zero health care premiums but paid for:
Parking $180
Disability insurance $3k
Uniform upkeep around $300
No crew meals
But hey, I get 30 percent off the 100 percent markup in the hotel bar.

Ha, I would gladly trade my crappy included uniform (NK) for a nice Karbon jacket and your bar discount!

Skypilotsv1984
12-27-2018, 02:43 PM
This guy even counted Insurance as Income/Compensation. :rolleyes:

I was trying to paint an accurate picture. Many other careers include it in the overall compensation package. Iím not trying to show off, Iím a NK pilot, I have nothing to show off. Itís broken down so you can subtract it out if it offends your senses.

Fourpaw
12-27-2018, 02:54 PM
4 year RJ CA
50 seats

135k total
-6k per diem
-3k company match

Thrust Hold
12-27-2018, 03:15 PM
I was trying to paint an accurate picture. Many other careers include it in the overall compensation package. I’m not trying to show off, I’m a NK pilot, I have nothing to show off. It’s broken down so you can subtract it out if it offends your senses.

My senses are fine. As you can see there are numerous “Compensation” figures that aren’t really necessary, but whatever paints the truest picture for accurate exchange of information.

Don’t forget your DTW Parking and Free High Fives.

I too was once at NK brotha. ;)

Skypilotsv1984
12-27-2018, 03:30 PM
My senses are fine. As you can see there are numerous ďCompensationĒ figures that arenít really necessary, but whatever paints the truest picture for accurate exchange of information.

Donít forget your DTW Parking and Free High Fives.

I too was once at NK brotha. ;)

Thanks! I love my high fives and yellow koolaid! Slurp.

coryk
12-27-2018, 04:04 PM
FedEx 757 FO

6 mos 1st yr pay, 6 mos 2nd year pay.

109k gross.

366 hrs block.

Picked up 2 (2 days) trips the whole year, had 2 trips bought for IOE, worked 4 days in Feb on vacation... days worked for the year: 156.

Commuter, held a line the whole year. Flew mostly all deadhead trips. Made platinum on AA. Sent mom and dad to Ireland for Christmas with miles.

Tjamaica
12-27-2018, 04:23 PM
Spirit 2/3 yr FO

$146,000

$127,500
$12,500 company 401K contribution
$6000 Per Diem
$0 Profit Sharing :(

Live in FL base
Picked up 4 premium trips
2 months old contract
10 months new contract
15-16 days off each month
2 months reserve (by choice)
I could be working more but choose not to
Was on track to do a little better but things have
slowed down a bit lately

ParrotBay031
12-27-2018, 04:40 PM
Not to be the one to call BS, but 91k gross on first year pay at B6 on the 190? Did you sell back a ton of PTO?

I'm here and didn't even break 100k on year 2 pay on the 190. We haven't even had 6 months of new CBA pay/retirement and if you're on year 1 you would have been at $53ish/hr until August when we passed the CBA, plus whatever you got during training for 6ish weeks. I don't see any way a 1st year 190 FO would be at 100k.

PM me i'd be glad to send you a snap shot of my final pay stub that come's on the 8th of Jan to prove it. Oh and yeah I VDA. Before you say anything else I even did one month where I did a single trip for straight pay.... you mad? Bet you think i'm a Juicer, and i'm helping the operation.... only thing i'm helping is my bank account by being smart. And let's use our heads here just for a second. Before PTO sell back went away you needed 100+ to sell back. I am year 1. It takes 10 months with no sick calls to get to 100 hrs of PTO, so no I didn't sell back anything.

nuball5
12-27-2018, 04:50 PM
PM me i'd be glad to send you a snap shot of my final pay stub that come's on the 8th of Jan to prove it. Oh and yeah I VDA. Before you say anything else I even did one month where I did a single trip for straight pay.... you mad? Bet you think i'm a Juicer, and i'm helping the operation.... only thing i'm helping is my bank account by being smart. And let's use our heads here just for a second. Before PTO sell back went away you needed 100+ to sell back. I am year 1. It takes 10 months with no sick calls to get to 100 hrs of PTO, so no I didn't sell back anything.

I think your 12/20 paystub is your 24th paystub and final one of the year. Jan 8 I think goes towards 2019 earnings.

ParrotBay031
12-27-2018, 05:18 PM
I think your 12/20 paystub is your 24th paystub and final one of the year. Jan 8 I think goes towards 2019 earnings.

Very true, but for the sake of this forum and 2018 earnings that check represents our big check from 12/2018. We can add the two together to satisfy anyone who is doubting the numbers I put fourth for anyone who is out there (considering not to come here and wait for a real major) to come calling.... it would be a financial mistake to stay at a regional over coming here IMO.

lowflying
12-27-2018, 05:44 PM
AS FO at approximately 9 months year 1.
3 months of reserve, blocked 760 hours and averaged 15 days off once I held a line.

25 hours at 1.5

Gross 105k
Per diem 5k
401k ~14k

ICUROOK
12-27-2018, 06:27 PM
congrats! My first year at 9E was right at 19k on the Saaab. Glad to see regional airlines are paying decent wages

And every year we also have the complete opposite of #@$ measuring. Every time a Regional guy participates in this thread and posts their salary, we get the measuring of how deep the snow was and how long others had to walk others had to their first Regional job.

symbian simian
12-27-2018, 06:28 PM
And every year we also have the complete opposite of #@$ measuring. The measuring of how deep the snow was and how long we had to walk to our first Regional job.

Uphill and headwind both ways

Airhoss
12-27-2018, 06:42 PM
Uphill and headwind both ways

At least you had shoes.

m3113n1a1
12-27-2018, 06:46 PM
And every year we also have the complete opposite of #@$ measuring. Every time a Regional guy participates in this thread and posts their salary, we get the measuring of how deep the snow was and how long others had to walk others had to their first Regional job.

You kids don't know how bad we had it! You could buy a 3 bedroom 2 bath home in a nice neighborhood for 30k!!

flyguy81
12-27-2018, 06:52 PM
Very true, but for the sake of this forum and 2018 earnings that check represents our big check from 12/2018. We can add the two together to satisfy anyone who is doubting the numbers I put fourth for anyone who is out there (considering not to come here and wait for a real major) to come calling.... it would be a financial mistake to stay at a regional over coming here IMO.

I didnít include Dec 18 earnings in my totals. Because that is paid in 2019. Itís on a separate W2. So Iíve never counted it. YMMV

badflaps
12-27-2018, 08:02 PM
You kids don't know how bad we had it! You could buy a 3 bedroom 2 bath home in a nice neighborhood for 30k!!

Right over a sink hole.:D

Idontevenfly
12-27-2018, 09:51 PM
Mesa FO
9.5 month first year 2.5 month 2nd year
just over $69k gross
that's with the $22.5k bonus plus a couple 300% days and 1 month of training pay (76 hour min guarantee)
average 14 days off per month

RSRVWINDSURFR
12-27-2018, 10:06 PM
UAL WB 12yr. FO.

Block: 430hrs.
Some RSV some lines
Pay: 268k
B plan: 43k

John Carr
12-27-2018, 10:28 PM
Mesa FO
9.5 month first year 2.5 month 2nd year
just over $69k gross
that's with the $22.5k bonus plus a couple 300% days and 1 month of training pay (76 hour min guarantee)
average 14 days off per month

So, despite ever rising COL, I guess that old joke of.....

“What’s the difference between a pizza and a Mesa pilot? A pizza can feed a family of 4”

......isn’t really applicable, for now.

Thrust Hold
12-27-2018, 10:41 PM
FedEx 76 FO yr 2

$228k Gross Pay
$18k DC/401k
680 Block Hours

Live in Domicile.

Hours Flown: (349 Night/ 331 Day)

Swedish Blender
12-27-2018, 11:03 PM
45K overtime/JA/premium WOW

15K sick payout

---$12,116 in sick check

What is this sick check you all speak of? Is it like Sasquatch? Something heard of but rarely seen?

navigatro
12-28-2018, 03:11 AM
What is this sick check you all speak of? Is it like Sasquatch? Something heard of but rarely seen?

i use a lot of sick time, but it is easy to restore if you live in domicile.

symbian simian
12-28-2018, 05:08 AM
At least you had shoes.

one pair, shared between 12 siblings

MoonShot
12-28-2018, 06:17 AM
Delta MD88 Captain.

10/11 year.

988 hours of pay = 82/month.
506 hours of block = 42/month.

Bid reserve 5 months (we were really fat).

Commuter with a 2.5 hour drive and a flight. 6 hotels out of pocket. 240 days at home (full 24 hour days, no commuting on those days).

Good balance of pay and time off for me this year mostly due to us being fat in the summer.

e6bpilot
12-28-2018, 07:05 AM
FedEx 757 FO

6 mos 1st yr pay, 6 mos 2nd year pay.

109k gross.

366 hrs block.

Picked up 2 (2 days) trips the whole year, had 2 trips bought for IOE, worked 4 days in Feb on vacation... days worked for the year: 156.

Commuter, held a line the whole year. Flew mostly all deadhead trips. Made platinum on AA. Sent mom and dad to Ireland for Christmas with miles.



To the haters on this thread, this is exactly what I am talking about. Numbers plus intangibles that someone on the outside wouldnít even think of.
Dude isnít bragging, he is just saying hey, here is something this job got me that nobody really talks about. I personally think that is really cool. If you donít like this thread, drive on by, but for the rest of us, it is interesting stuff.

AYLflyer
12-28-2018, 07:06 AM
PM me i'd be glad to send you a snap shot of my final pay stub that come's on the 8th of Jan to prove it. Oh and yeah I VDA. Before you say anything else I even did one month where I did a single trip for straight pay.... you mad? Bet you think i'm a Juicer, and i'm helping the operation.... only thing i'm helping is my bank account by being smart. And let's use our heads here just for a second. Before PTO sell back went away you needed 100+ to sell back. I am year 1. It takes 10 months with no sick calls to get to 100 hrs of PTO, so no I didn't sell back anything.


Damn son! Someone is crazy defensive! You can put the gloves down, I wasn't here to attack, just very VERY surprised that a year 1 guy could make 100k here.

If you were doing RSA/VDA/Helping out during the labor dispute, well, that's between you, the union and your fellow pilots. Not something that I can praise or ever support. However if you are doing VDA post CBA then I applaud you for being able to make that kind of money.

I put in for VDA all the time but my luck just happens to be that every time there is an IROP, I'm already stuck at work, so I've never had the opportunity to pickup a VDA.

dawgdriver
12-28-2018, 07:53 AM
Mesa FO
9.5 month first year 2.5 month 2nd year
just over $69k gross
that's with the $22.5k bonus plus a couple 300% days and 1 month of training pay (76 hour min guarantee)
average 14 days off per month

Good to see the regionals have become so charitable and fair (sarcasm). My first year CRJ FO pay was $13k.

Seriously, good to see a livable starting wage for the folks starting out.

RJSAviator76
12-28-2018, 08:03 AM
Can we stick to limiting this thread to data and take the discussions to another?

Ducttape
12-28-2018, 08:05 AM
Can we stick to limiting this thread to data and take the discussions to another?

But then it wouldn't be relevant? Relax...just keep skimming your eyes down until you see a "$" in the thread....stop, read, and repeat.

ParrotBay031
12-28-2018, 08:42 AM
Damn son! Someone is crazy defensive! You can put the gloves down, I wasn't here to attack, just very VERY surprised that a year 1 guy could make 100k here.

If you were doing RSA/VDA/Helping out during the labor dispute, well, that's between you, the union and your fellow pilots. Not something that I can praise or ever support. However if you are doing VDA post CBA then I applaud you for being able to make that kind of money.

I put in for VDA all the time but my luck just happens to be that every time there is an IROP, I'm already stuck at work, so I've never had the opportunity to pickup a VDA.

It's not about being defensive I apologize if it came off that way... but you as well as a lot of our colleagues would question my numbers, which deters people from coming here. I mean for christ sakes there are actually pilots among us on the jetblue seniority list that are telling people to stay at their regional over coming to work at jetblue. Like was said before this isn't a D*ck measuring contest. You can see by the number of times i've posted i'm mostly a reader. However I felt that I needed to share, and I want pilots that are thinking about coming to jetblue to know what is possible.

My QOL has never been better, this is the best job i've ever had and I have had the least amount of stress i've ever had in my life coming off of working for a regional, and charter companies for 8 years. IT IS NO WHERE NEAR PERFECT, BUT IT'S 10X BETTER THEN A REGIONAL OR A 135 24/7 CHARTER OPERATION.

So yes I made 100k year 1, (including my December figures, contrary to what people have done in the past but i'm viewing it as a rolling 12 months) I also did a VDA or 2 a month while we were in negotiations.
Why you might ask? Because I took a 60k pay cut coming from being a corporate captain and I needed to pay the bills for my family. But at the bottom of the seniority list i'm not the one releasing the break and using the tiller.... so until the captains stop picking up VDA/RSA (which never happened) during the labor dispute then I needed to do what I did pay my bills. Hey if they want to pay me double what idiot would ever say no to that? "The Non Juicers I guess that b*tch and moan about not making a high enough rate, but bite off their nose to spite their face when the company offers to pay them double for a trip"

When you live in base, bid a min schedule and get 5-6 VDA calls a month it's pretty easy to make a nice figure with our new CBA (which for those of you reading this are wondering isn't perfect but it's pretty fu*cking good for a 18 year old airline that had 0 chance to get Delta rates.) I make a ton of soft pay and 90% of the time double my credit to my block pay.

PotatoChip
12-28-2018, 09:20 AM
It's not about being defensive I apologize if it came off that way... but you as well as a lot of our colleagues would question my numbers, which deters people from coming here. I mean for christ sakes there are actually pilots among us on the jetblue seniority list that are telling people to stay at their regional over coming to work at jetblue. Like was said before this isn't a D*ck measuring contest. You can see by the number of times i've posted i'm mostly a reader. However I felt that I needed to share, and I want pilots that are thinking about coming to jetblue to know what is possible.

My QOL has never been better, this is the best job i've ever had and I have had the least amount of stress i've ever had in my life coming off of working for a regional, and charter companies for 8 years. IT IS NO WHERE NEAR PERFECT, BUT IT'S 10X BETTER THEN A REGIONAL OR A 135 24/7 CHARTER OPERATION.

So yes I made 100k year 1, (including my December figures, contrary to what people have done in the past but i'm viewing it as a rolling 12 months) I also did a VDA or 2 a month while we were in negotiations.
Why you might ask? Because I took a 60k pay cut coming from being a corporate captain and I needed to pay the bills for my family. But at the bottom of the seniority list i'm not the one releasing the break and using the tiller.... so until the captains stop picking up VDA/RSA (which never happened) during the labor dispute then I needed to do what I did pay my bills. Hey if they want to pay me double what idiot would ever say no to that? "The Non Juicers I guess that b*tch and moan about not making a high enough rate, but bite off their nose to spite their face when the company offers to pay them double for a trip"

When you live in base, bid a min schedule and get 5-6 VDA calls a month it's pretty easy to make a nice figure with our new CBA (which for those of you reading this are wondering isn't perfect but it's pretty fu*cking good for a 18 year old airline that had 0 chance to get Delta rates.) I make a ton of soft pay and 90% of the time double my credit to my block pay.

Dude, settle down already. You say you didn’t mean to come off defensive but that’s exactly what you’re doing. Youre shouting in all caps and dropping f bombs....
People have legitimate reasons for offering their opinion to not come to JB. Let it go.

kingairfun
12-28-2018, 09:45 AM
Half year as WB FO, half year as NB Captain (in year 6/7 pay band)

roughly $250K (pay and profit sharing)
15% DC equaled $37.5K

So measurable total compensation around $287.5K

Block hours in the 650 range. DH pay was roughly $16K but never had to DH by bidding trips that started in the city I lived in. (As WB senior FO)


As WB FO averaged 17 days off/month... 2 day trips with 2pm starts and done at noon the next day...IE:home every day

As junior NB Captain averaging 16 days off and able to be home every night doing out and backs.


No premium trips or extra flying. Senior guys gobble those up for double time.

Expecting to transition to larger NB a/c this year, expecting 2019 (year 7/8)base pay to be in the $280k range as a junior reserve/line holder.


Wish we had more scheduling flexibility or premium opportunities. Saving grace is transition opportunities for WB Cpt pay is much quicker than other airlines at the moment.

NotMrNiceGuy
12-28-2018, 09:56 AM
Half year as WB FO, half year as NB Captain (in year 6/7 pay band)

roughly $250K (pay and profit sharing)
15% DC equaled $37.5K

So measurable total compensation around $287.5K

Block hours in the 650 range. DH pay was roughly $16K but never had to DH by bidding trips that started in the city I lived in. (As WB senior FO)


As WB FO averaged 17 days off/month... 2 day trips with 2pm starts and done at noon the next day...IE:home every day

As junior NB Captain averaging 16 days off and able to be home every night doing out and backs.


No premium trips or extra flying. Senior guys gobble those up for double time.

Expecting to transition to larger NB a/c this year, expecting 2019 (year 7/8)base pay to be in the $280k range as a junior reserve/line holder.


Wish we had more scheduling flexibility or premium opportunities. Saving grace is transition opportunities for WB Cpt pay is much quicker than other airlines at the moment.

Airline....?

hammer pants
12-28-2018, 11:13 AM
UPS 2 yr FO

203K Pay
9K per diem
24K 401k
Total 236,000

Commuter, probably averaged 15 days off a month.

KenNoisewaterMD
12-28-2018, 11:33 AM
About 3 1/2 inches on a good day.

WorkingUp
12-28-2018, 12:49 PM
JetBlue Airbus FO
Commuter, Line Holder
January-March, 1st year pay (pre-CBA)
April-December, 2nd year pay

About 900 hours of block, usually 13-14 days off per month
$118,100 gross total (including profit sharing, signing "bonus" and per diem)

JayD
12-28-2018, 01:39 PM
Airline....?

Looks like Hawaiian.

Airhoss
12-28-2018, 03:30 PM
one pair, shared between 12 siblings

I had 14 siblings, until the famine hit.

busdriver12
12-28-2018, 04:38 PM
FedEx 757 FO

6 mos 1st yr pay, 6 mos 2nd year pay.

109k gross.

366 hrs block.

Picked up 2 (2 days) trips the whole year, had 2 trips bought for IOE, worked 4 days in Feb on vacation... days worked for the year: 156.

Commuter, held a line the whole year. Flew mostly all deadhead trips. Made platinum on AA. Sent mom and dad to Ireland for Christmas with miles.

That last paragraph is one of the things I truly appreciate. I fly mostly deadhead trips, enough to make diamond on Delta and get airmiles trips for my family all year, along with global upgrade passes and free club privileges. Delta, you guys rock!

FedEx Airbus Capt 12+ year pay
Commuter, fly lines only
365K pay
22K DC into B fund
300 block hours
Average about 11-12 days work a month.

symbian simian
12-28-2018, 05:28 PM
I had 14 siblings, until the famine hit.

Just sitting here laughing..... You win!

Noworkallplay
12-28-2018, 08:25 PM
FedEx 2nd/3rd year WB Domestic FO
195k gross
7.5k per diem
15.5k Company DC B Fund Contribution
48k Company Pension A Fund Contribution (using standard actuarial valuing)

TOTAL- 266k

350 block

Worked 14-15 days a month and had 2 months that I only worked 5 days (vacation). Both vacations paid for with points from DHD trips. First Class Flights and hotels.

tm602
12-28-2018, 09:04 PM
Wow, I made $15,608 my first year at TSA. Max landing weight of the Jetstream I was flying was 15,609 lbs. so I missed earning $1/pound by $1. Second year was much better though, I broke $17,000.

I think you got that wrong. J32 landing was 15,609 and takeoff was 16,204. FWIW I made $17,000 flying that deathtrap at ACA....I'll never be that good a pilot again.

tm602
12-28-2018, 09:07 PM
At least you had shoes.

At least you had legs. I can play this all day :D

sherpster
12-28-2018, 09:13 PM
No AA guys?

89Pistons
12-28-2018, 09:38 PM
At least you had legs. I can play this all day :D

So can Deadpool:

Wade: Rough childhood?
Vanessa: Rougher than yours. Daddy left before I was born.
Wade: Daddy left before I was conceived.
Vanessa: Ever had a cigarette put out on your skin?
Wade: Where else do you put one out?
Vanessa: I was molested!
Wade: Me too. Uncle.
Vanessa: Uncles. They took turns.
Wade: I watched my own birthday party through the keyhole of a locked closet, which also happened to be my...
Vanessa: Your bedroom. Lucky. I slept in a dishwasher box.
Wade: [Gasps] You had a dishwasher. I didn't even known sleep. It was pretty much 24/7 ball gags, brownie mix and clown porn.



Sorry for the drift. Back to your W2's.

AwkwardTurtle
12-28-2018, 10:21 PM
No AA guys?

If you had 8 days off a month, would you want to spend it on here telling people how much you make?

Al Czervik
12-28-2018, 11:37 PM
No AA guys?

AA 5/6 year FO
line holder
201,000
32,000 DC Fund
3,400 PS
236,400 total
780 block (plus new AC training)
Avg 15 days off/month

symbian simian
12-29-2018, 12:40 AM
(embarrassing, really)

Corrected for the 2 months I was out on STD (so added 20% to the 10 months I worked):

5/6 year at Spirit:
pay $185K
401K/DC $27K
flew around 650 hours / 15 days off avg.

Oh, I am a captain...

Moonwolf
12-29-2018, 12:43 AM
Hal f/o 330

Yr 2/3

175.5k gross.
Didn't pick up. 15-19days off. Take away hawaii taxes and not much...

biigD
12-29-2018, 04:21 AM
If you had 8 days off a month, would you want to spend it on here telling people how much you make?

Anyone with only 8 days off is doing it wrong. I have less than 5 years here and had 16-17 days off per month on average, which included two recurrent training events.

biigD
12-29-2018, 05:10 AM
No AA guys?

Thereís a few of us on the thread! Mostly 4-6 year narrowbody FO types - pretty consistent numbers, actually. :)

Spicy McHaggis
12-29-2018, 05:11 AM
Anyone with only 8 days off is doing it wrong. I have less than 5 years here and had 16-17 days off per month on average, which included two recurrent training events.



Whatís with the 8 days off reference? Is that really the minimum (even if people rarely have that few off)?

Airhoss
12-29-2018, 05:16 AM
So can Deadpool:

Wade: Rough childhood?
Vanessa: Rougher than yours. Daddy left before I was born.
Wade: Daddy left before I was conceived.
Vanessa: Ever had a cigarette put out on your skin?
Wade: Where else do you put one out?
Vanessa: I was molested!
Wade: Me too. Uncle.
Vanessa: Uncles. They took turns.
Wade: I watched my own birthday party through the keyhole of a locked closet, which also happened to be my...
Vanessa: Your bedroom. Lucky. I slept in a dishwasher box.
Wade: [Gasps] You had a dishwasher. I didn't even known sleep. It was pretty much 24/7 ball gags, brownie mix and clown porn.



Sorry for the drift. Back to your W2's.

Deadpool was one of the most socially significant movies of this century! Pure art.

OOfff
12-29-2018, 05:57 AM
Whatís with the 8 days off reference? Is that really the minimum (even if people rarely have that few off)?

Relax preppie, itís a joke

Spicy McHaggis
12-29-2018, 06:09 AM
Relax preppie, itís a joke



I figured but the way I hear some AA guys talk about how sh*tty life is over there I had to wonder.

Photoflier
12-29-2018, 06:21 AM
I think you got that wrong. J32 landing was 15,609 and takeoff was 16,204. FWIW I made $17,000 flying that deathtrap at ACA....I'll never be that good a pilot again.

Ditto. I used to be able to hand fly an ILS to minimums while eating a sandwich. Now I can barely even SEE the needles much less track them

Duckdude
12-29-2018, 07:11 AM
I think you got that wrong. J32 landing was 15,609 and takeoff was 16,204. FWIW I made $17,000 flying that deathtrap at ACA....I'll never be that good a pilot again.

Isnít that what I said? I didnít mention takeoff weight.

SUX4U
12-29-2018, 07:40 AM
Relax preppie, itís a joke

Probably one of the more traumatic insult of the mid 90ís to a young teenager was to be called a preppie. Nicely done bringing that one into the mix.

at6d
12-29-2018, 07:50 AM
Ha! He got moded.

tyler durden
12-29-2018, 09:14 AM
Deadpool was one of the most socially significant movies of this century! Pure art.

Agree 100%. Pure Genius

SD3FR8DOG
12-29-2018, 04:14 PM
Hal f/o 330

Yr 2/3

175.5k gross.
Didn't pick up. 15-19days off. Take away hawaii taxes and not much...

In for the long haul or gonna make a move? Cost of living is outrageous in HI!

tm602
12-29-2018, 06:43 PM
Isnít that what I said? I didnít mention takeoff weight.

Yeah you did....now that I've had my coffee I can read again. Sorry.

RJDio
12-29-2018, 06:59 PM
UAL NB FO 3(11 mo)/4(1 mo)
Live local

Pay $209,700
Profit sharing $9,035
PD $7,483
Perf bonus $800
Total $227k
Plus
B Fund DC $33,683

Hours flown 900
Mainly 1-2 day trips. Home every holiday and lots of nights, but worked lots of weekends , better trips. Iíll

Catboatsailor
12-29-2018, 10:47 PM
Narrow Body at Delta 3rd year.
Live in base. Had every holiday off with family.
Flew 675 in 2018. Ouch!!!

401k company paid $36,500
2017 Profit sharing paid in Feb 2018: $24,000
Per Diem $6,800
Flight pay $223,000
All combined, total compensation was $291,000 and some change.

Same job as the regionals. Just easier and better pay.

Al Czervik
12-30-2018, 02:21 AM
Narrow Body at Delta 3rd year.
Live in base. Had every holiday off with family.
Flew 675 in 2018. Ouch!!!

401k company paid $36,500
2017 Profit sharing paid in Feb 2018: $24,000
Per Diem $6,800
Flight pay $223,000
All combined, total compensation was $291,000 and some change.

Same job as the regionals. Just easier and better pay.

I have trouble following this.
Flight pay 223,000
Block 675
So you made $330.00/hour the entire year?

Al Czervik
12-30-2018, 02:24 AM
UAL NB FO 3(11 mo)/4(1 mo)
Live local

Pay $209,700
Profit sharing $9,035
PD $7,483
Perf bonus $800
Total $227k
Plus
B Fund DC $33,683

Hours flown 900
Mainly 1-2 day trips. Home every holiday and lots of nights, but worked lots of weekends , better trips. I’ll

This one too. You made $232.00/ hour?

DL guy on third year pay makes 330.00/hour and 232.00 at UAL?

NotMrNiceGuy
12-30-2018, 03:06 AM
This one too. You made $232.00/ hour?

DL guy on third year pay makes 330.00/hour and 232.00 at UAL?

I was thrown off by the numbers too. My guess is there was some premium picked up in there or some other soft credit. They shouldíve mentioned it, but for whatever reason they didnít.

sherpster
12-30-2018, 03:12 AM
AA 5/6 year FO
line holder
201,000
32,000 DC Fund
3,400 PS
236,400 total
780 block (plus new AC training)
Avg 15 days off/month

Thanks AL, I'm at AA but on first year pay plus out for medical right now so I didn't add mine. Its good to see what guys are really making.

Al Czervik
12-30-2018, 03:30 AM
I was thrown off by the numbers too. My guess is there was some premium picked up in there or some other soft credit. They shouldíve mentioned it, but for whatever reason they didnít.

I understand some premium but at 330/hour thatís 200% for the whole year.

FlyyGuyy
12-30-2018, 03:46 AM
Thanks AL, I'm at AA but on first year pay plus out for medical right now so I didn't add mine. Its good to see what guys are really making.

What are guys doing first year at AA? Wondering what to expect.

sherpster
12-30-2018, 04:09 AM
What are guys doing first year at AA? Wondering what to expect.

Close to 100K I believe. Hopefully someone else can chime in.
Off the street hires dont get the 401K DC for the first year (flow does).

In 7 months I made 47K so I would have made @80K. Amazingly most of my July trips were Green and I dropped them all but 6 days worth. I dropped trips in other months also so my numbers are low. I figured why bust my hump on 1st yr pay with no 401K DC? Also, less flying=less opportunity to screw up in my probie year. I plan on hitting it HARD when I get my medical back.

ChecklistMonkey
12-30-2018, 05:02 AM
I have trouble following this.
Flight pay 223,000
Block 675
So you made $330.00/hour the entire year?

Block versus credit. Very few of my trips are hard time trips. And none of my reserve months do I even get close to block surpassing credit, even when my credit gets close to guarantee.

PNStoKLIT
12-30-2018, 05:03 AM
This one too. You made $232.00/ hour?

DL guy on third year pay makes 330.00/hour and 232.00 at UAL?

I agree, some of these smell really fishy. Unfortunate many are not telling the whole story or just flat out lying. We all know we make serious bank, why lie and mislead?

FedEx 2nd/3rd year WB Domestic FO
195k gross
7.5k per diem
15.5k Company DC B Fund Contribution
48k Company Pension A Fund Contribution (using standard actuarial valuing)

TOTAL- 266k

350 block

Worked 14-15 days a month and had 2 months that I only worked 5 days (vacation). Both vacations paid for with points from DHD trips. First Class Flights and hotels.

The biggest culprit, $557/hour.

BTW, my *ego* is bigger than everyone else’s.

guppie
12-30-2018, 05:27 AM
Block versus credit. Very few of my trips are hard time trips. And none of my reserve months do I even get close to block surpassing credit, even when my credit gets close to guarantee.

'''' This '''' I flew 684 actual but got paid for 1121 in 2018. My best month was on reserve. I blocked 47 hours actual but was paid 119 with vacation and VDO premiums (working on day off for 150%). Now that's not SWA "working it", but not too shabby for Yo-nited. ;)

Airhoss
12-30-2018, 05:48 AM
I agree, some of these smell really fishy. Unfortunate many are not telling the whole story or just flat out lying. We all know we make serious bank, why lie and mislead?



The biggest culprit, $557/hour.

BTW, my junk is bigger than everyone elseís.

From the mouths of babes.... You sir havenít the slightest clue of what youíre talking about.

Premium time
VDO
Soft time
Vacation time



Thereís your answer Virgina

viper548
12-30-2018, 06:01 AM
What are guys doing first year at AA? Wondering what to expect.


My first few years I was making pay rate x 1000. Last year I was pay rate x 1100. This year it was almost 1250. There are guys that do much better by playing the imax game.

viper548
12-30-2018, 06:09 AM
'''' This '''' I flew 684 actual but got paid for 1121 in 2018. My best month was on reserve. I blocked 47 hours actual but was paid 119 with vacation and VDO premiums (working on day off for 150%). Now that's not SWA "working it", but not too shabby for Yo-nited. ;)


I'm at AA, this month I flew 20 hours (and 3 days training) and credit 105. SC reserve. 1 fly thru OG day, 3 day Premium, didn't fly on any of my reserve days. 2 overnights. TAFB was 65. $866 per flight hour.

Thrust Hold
12-30-2018, 06:11 AM
And if the trips are anything like the ones at FedEx then the vast majority are paid at Trip or Duty Rig (1 Credit HR/3.75 TAFB). Almost no trips are paid based off of Block time. On the 767 I typically fly one leg and then have a 24-36 Hr Layover followed by one leg home. Due to this and a few other factors I:

Credited - 1,342 Hours
Blocked - 680
Gross Pay - $228,009


Soft Pay Factors:

Trip/Duty Rig Pay
Vacation
Substitution off of Trips
Some Premium Pay trips
Hotel Standby Assignments at 150% and never get used

10 Days of Hotel Standy in December
Never got used
43 Block/148.5 Credit

Douglas9
12-30-2018, 06:23 AM
6th year CA NK

$301K gross plus $25K DC 401K
Includes $62K for contract signing bonus and $72K for overtime and junior man.
$7K per diem.
I live in base.
870 block.
Worked hard every other month (10 days off vs 15-18 other months). Still found time for 2 ski trips, river cruise in Europe and a week in Hawaii.

syntrikz
12-30-2018, 06:38 AM
UAL NB FO
2 months at year 1 pay, 10 year 2
948 pay hours, 460 block flown
119k gross
19.1k DC
I try to fly as little as possible.

busdriver12
12-30-2018, 07:13 AM
I agree, some of these smell really fishy. Unfortunate many are not telling the whole story or just flat out lying. We all know we make serious bank, why lie and mislead?



The biggest culprit, $557/hour.

BTW, my junk is bigger than everyone elseís.

Interesting first post. Seriously, are you even in this industry? If you had been around for a short while, you'd realize that many people are not paid purely on block time, particularly at FedEx. Often we have very low block time flights, but are still paid trip or duty rig. And people on reserve often have very low block time months, at many airlines. This is pretty basic information.:eek:

Spicy McHaggis
12-30-2018, 07:15 AM
Interesting first post. Seriously, are you even in this industry? If you had been around for a short while, you'd realize that many people are not paid purely on block time, particularly at FedEx. Often we have very low block time flights, but are still paid trip or duty rig. And people on reserve often have very low block time months, at many airlines. This is pretty basic information.:eek:




Look at his user name. I don't think it's anything other than a troll account.

Catboatsailor
12-30-2018, 07:17 AM
I have trouble following this.
Flight pay 223,000
Block 675
So you made $330.00/hour the entire year?

It sounds insane but itís true. Bid reserve and pick up greenslips on your days off. You then get paid for every minute above monthly guarantee. Plus for every original day off, they use you, they delete a reserve day from that months schedule. If thereís no reserve days left to remove you get to put the payback days into a bank. Buy off future trips at their actual credit. If you have a line greenslips are double pay but no payback days. Bid to fly with a LCA and when your trip is pulled for OE you still get paid. Snag a greenslip and you just became triple pay.

When you max out your federal limit for the 401k ($55,000) the rest of the direct contribution goes as cash into you paycheck. Thatís a 16% raise.

01110011
12-30-2018, 07:25 AM
Air Wiscahnsin

2/3 1st year pay, 1/3 2nd year pay
FO
Only flew the line 11 months, 6 of which were reserve

Straight pay- 33,300

Premium pay-19,900

New hire bonus-36,000

Referral bonus-1,500

Total compensation- 90,700

Per Diem-6,500

No 401k match for the first year, contribution for my second year pay was inconsequential.

Flew 785 hours and roughly 290 days this year and averaged 6 days off.

busdriver12
12-30-2018, 07:29 AM
Look at his user name. I don't think it's anything other than a troll account.

Good point.

Al Czervik
12-30-2018, 07:32 AM
It sounds insane but itís true. Bid reserve and pick up greenslips on your days off. You then get paid for every minute above monthly guarantee. Plus for every original day off, they use you, they delete a reserve day from that months schedule. If thereís no reserve days left to remove you get to put the payback days into a bank. Buy off future trips at their actual credit. If you have a line greenslips are double pay but no payback days. Bid to fly with a LCA and when your trip is pulled for OE you still get paid. Snag a greenslip and you just became triple pay.

When you max out your federal limit for the 401k ($55,000) the rest of the direct contribution goes as cash into you paycheck. Thatís a 16% raise.

Thatís a good deal. Iíd be interested to hear what a normal ďfly your lineĒ DL guy makes. I know there are guys at AA that are killling what I made but Iím too lazy to game the system.

mainlineAF
12-30-2018, 07:34 AM
AA 5/6 190 captain

Line holder/commuter
195k
32k DC
$4500 profit sharing ([email protected])
9k per diem

Marlin
12-30-2018, 07:58 AM
18 year AA 737 CA.
Reserve for 6 month
~75 hour line holder for 6
263k + 40k company paid to 401k
303k
My experience in this biz has been: Unless you fly really low or really high ,a safe benchmark is your hourly rate +3 zeros(+company cont to 401)
Joe

Flying Boxes
12-30-2018, 08:20 AM
... If you had been around for a short while, you'd realize that many people are not paid purely on block time, particularly at FedEx. Often we have very low block time flights, but are still paid trip or duty rig. And people on reserve often have very low block time months, at many airlines. This is pretty basic information.:eek:

^^^This^^^
FedEx pay can get confusing if you dig into the details.

12+ year B777 F/O

Total Pay: ~$320K
Days Off: 204 for the year (averages to ~17 days a month - 174 CH of vacation a year, BIG reason I wanted FedEx)
Actual Block Hours: around 650 (No reserve days this year)
Actual Pay Credit Hours: just short of 1,400 CH (Pay hours)
No vacation buy back, I love my time off!

Additional money from FedEx (Not included above):
B Fund: $22K
Company 401K Match: $500.
Another year of A Fund (working on high 5 still, union trying to change this in future-wait & see)

rightside02
12-30-2018, 08:39 AM
UAL NB FO. 4 months 1st year pay the 8 months year 2 .

159,000.00

Line holder for nearly all the times spent on year 2.

Picked up premium big time through out the summer and other months , got lucky , right place right time others .

No profit sharing as I missed it last year as wasnít in property log enough, will get it in 2019 . Flew many weekends to get that premium. Waiting for year 3 to kick in.

No clue what other compensation was 401k etc. will add later.

PS , met a 10 year plus FO in ORD biggest credit guy we have to my knowledge. Made over 410,000.00 this year as an 767 FO. Guys hustles hard. 250 credit in July alone. I know I know itís crazy . But saw it with my own eyes. I would guess works everyday with not much life.

To each their own doe

littlecricket
12-30-2018, 08:40 AM
SWA FO. Year 10/11. Live in base.

Work too much. Approx 10 days off or less. Block 555.

Pay (includes vacation, training, profit sharing, b-fund overage) 329k
Per diem 4500
B-fund 36500

EhV8R
12-30-2018, 09:20 AM
FedEx 757 FO

6 mos 1st yr pay, 6 mos 2nd year pay.

109k gross.

366 hrs block.

Picked up 2 (2 days) trips the whole year, had 2 trips bought for IOE, worked 4 days in Feb on vacation... days worked for the year: 156.

Commuter, held a line the whole year. Flew mostly all deadhead trips. Made platinum on AA. Sent mom and dad to Ireland for Christmas with miles.I'm not too familiar with jumpseating, but how do you collect miles and earn top tier status, while commuting? Do you pay for the tickets, or does FedEx?

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

Flying Boxes
12-30-2018, 09:27 AM
I'm not too familiar with jumpseating, but how do you collect miles and earn top tier status, while commuting? Do you pay for the tickets, or does FedEx?

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

Simple Answer.

All pairing starts in Memphis. Company buys ticket from MEM to outstation. Pilot can cancel ticket and use money to buy ticket from home to outstation. If ticket is more $, company takes overage from your pay. If less, you can use to reimburse other travel expense but never goes into your pay.

This is not jumpseating.

busdriver12
12-30-2018, 09:38 AM
Simple Answer.

All pairing starts in Memphis. Company buys ticket from MEM to outstation. Pilot can cancel ticket and use money to buy ticket from home to outstation. If ticket is more $, company takes overage from your pay. If less, you can use to reimburse other travel expense but never goes into your pay.

This is not jumpseating.

To add, they pay for any transportation costs within three days of the start or end of a trip. You don't need to use the money to go home, you can go on vacation or anywhere. And since many of our trips do not start or end in base, there are many scheduled deadheads out there that people use to commute from, so they don't need to jumpseat. Much less stress to have a guaranteed seat on a paid ticket, than hope for a jumpseat.

iHateAMR
12-30-2018, 09:57 AM
I'm not too familiar with jumpseating, but how do you collect miles and earn top tier status, while commuting? Do you pay for the tickets, or does FedEx?

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

In December alone I had $18,000 worth of airline tickets bought for me by FedEx. After deviating to start from home and bypass Memphis, I still had an extra 6 grand to burn. So I bought myself a first class ticket for a vacation in Europe and tickets to and from home to Memphis on other trips in December and January. Sure I could have booked the company Jumpseat, but in an effort to burn the cash I had FedEx buy me tickets, so I can get my status and miles. Zero to AA Gold, UA Silver, and DL Gold in the last 6 months of 2018, and I donít really deadhead as much as some of our pilots.

Spicy McHaggis
12-30-2018, 11:40 AM
PS , met a 10 year plus FO in ORD biggest credit guy we have to my knowledge. Made over 410,000.00 this year as an 767 FO. Guys hustles hard. 250 credit in July alone. I know I know itís crazy . But saw it with my own eyes. I would guess works everyday with not much life.





I wonder if that's the same guy that was mentioned in another thread here. IR? He went to the 737FO.. guess the money's better there?


He's not the highest FO earner I've heard of, but that's pretty good for a 767FO. The 777/787 players can do over 400 if they work at it.

syntrikz
12-30-2018, 11:41 AM
Whatís your base/seat?! Nice work! I considered working more but my (for now) wife works so we have no need for me to work hard.
UAL NB FO. 4 months 1st year pay the 8 months year 2 .

159,000.00

Line holder for nearly all the times spent on year 2.

Picked up premium big time through out the summer and other months , got lucky , right place right time others .

No profit sharing as I missed it last year as wasnít in property log enough, will get it in 2019 . Flew many weekends to get that premium. Waiting for year 3 to kick in.

No clue what other compensation was 401k etc. will add later.

PS , met a 10 year plus FO in ORD biggest credit guy we have to my knowledge. Made over 410,000.00 this year as an 767 FO. Guys hustles hard. 250 credit in July alone. I know I know itís crazy . But saw it with my own eyes. I would guess works everyday with not much life.

To each their own doe

RJDio
12-30-2018, 12:03 PM
This one too. You made $232.00/ hour?

DL guy on third year pay makes 330.00/hour and 232.00 at UAL?

Lots of soft time. Broken up trips. 1 days that are fly transcon, dhd back. Or 2 days, redeye transcon, dhd back. Some were built as 3 days with one redeye of actual block.

A little srm during the summer, few trips bought for IOE, and it starts adding up. For the record I donít exploit the system like some dudes senior to me do and take my vacation during the summer. If I didnít have young kids and a wife I cared about, I could really make a killing. Being in the top third of my seat, living local where +70% commute, at an airport that is prone with delays helps.

rightside02
12-30-2018, 12:14 PM
I believe that is the same dude . So he went to 737 !?! Man heís gonna miss that Asia Mx stuff. Which is where I guess he got lots of credit from. Yeah I didnít really think he was the highest earner but def up there esp for not being a heavy guy.

To the other question 320 EWR guy. Like I said some good months were in there for a year 2 guy. 140 , credit a few times . However just had our first child so I ll be dialing it back.

GuppyPuppy
12-30-2018, 12:14 PM
Year 12 E190 captain

$18,700/month average

17-19 days off/month

750 block

GP

coryk
12-30-2018, 12:29 PM
I'm not too familiar with jumpseating, but how do you collect miles and earn top tier status, while commuting? Do you pay for the tickets, or does FedEx?

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

FedEx paid for me to ďcommuteĒ to work via those airline tickets 85% of the time. The other 15% was on our no-stress, simple FedEx jumpseat that was booked 21 days prior. Canít really complain, and live where I want! Thing of beauty.

CarbonCub
12-30-2018, 01:15 PM
Spirit 5/6 year Captain

Total gross: $259,551 (includes CBA ratification bonus of $55k)
Per diem: $6,288
Company 401k D.C.: $19,755

Total Compensation: $285,594

Total block time: 677 hrs in the logbook

Average 14-15 days off

*First two months on old CBA, 10 months on new CBA*

ChecklistMonkey
12-30-2018, 01:20 PM
Thatís a good deal. Iíd be interested to hear what a normal ďfly your lineĒ DL guy makes. I know there are guys at AA that are killling what I made but Iím too lazy to game the system.

Just a boring old guy who just flies his line? Just multiply a pay rate by about 77 hours. That's simple and unrealistic math. The point of the exercise is to find out what people are and can do. I'm a quality of life bidder who drops and bids reserve if needed for days off. I don't pick up premium pay. Compare mine to someone who picks up premium.

Al Czervik
12-30-2018, 01:44 PM
Just a boring old guy who just flies his line? Just multiply a pay rate by about 77 hours. That's simple and unrealistic math. The point of the exercise is to find out what people are and can do. I'm a quality of life bidder who drops and bids reserve if needed for days off. I don't pick up premium pay. Compare mine to someone who picks up premium.

Iím a QOL guy too. I didnít do any premium and flew my line other than simple trades. My pay rate multiplied by 77 is 50k+ less than I made. Our contract work rules/soft pay are lacking. Iím trying to get an idea where we sit.

propilot
12-30-2018, 02:25 PM
FDX
Half the year at 6yr WB FO, half the year at 6/7yr NB Captain.

$252,000 + B fund, etc.(Too lazy to look up the amounts).
276 block

StillFlying
12-30-2018, 07:48 PM
For what itís worth, I took out the measuring tape - LOL:

FDX WB FO Ė All Year at 2nd year pay

Commuter
Sat lines that consisted of a mix of trips and reserve

My bidded CH - 921
My earned CH Ė 945 (I enjoy my time at home, so not much finagling of my schedule Ė I basically fly what I get Ė I flew one 1.5x trip in Dec)
(Contract min CH Ė 884/yr)

Gross - $169,011 Ė This includes per diem, as I am too lazy to pull it out. It doesn't include B-Fund or company $500 401k match

Block Hours Flown Ė 353

FDX has 4-week months and 5-week months. So, I normalized my calendar for a 30 day month and I had 13 days away from home (to include commuting) and 17 days off.

So math in public:
~$179/CH
~$478/Block Hr flown
CH/Day away from home = 6.1

Wife and kids happy Ė Check (didnít miss any holiday or school performance; missed only one sporting tournamentÖmore important than $s to me)

fandango
12-31-2018, 03:01 AM
SWA
Pick up a lot for 3 months, one month min, drop what I can, commuter, pick up out of multiple bases,
Mostly 2nd year pay rate

164k
7.5 per diem
23.3 nec
875 block in 365

Octaflugaron
12-31-2018, 04:08 AM
UAL 12+ year NB CAP


Hourly pay 274.5K

PD 6.0K

PS 17.4K

OT Bonuses .8K

401K 43.8K

TTL COMP 342.5K

CREDIT HRS 945

HRS Flown 632

Days Worked 132

Nites Away 79

NO Commuting, Live in Domicile, Line Holder w/23 years Seniority

HAPPY NEW YEAR, ALL ! ! ! :)


- Octa

Sputnik
12-31-2018, 05:37 AM
Iím a QOL guy too. I didnít do any premium and flew my line other than simple trades. My pay rate multiplied by 77 is 50k+ less than I made. Our contract work rules/soft pay are lacking. Iím trying to get an idea where we sit.

Been a few years but the last time I saw a number posted, DALPA said the average pilot was paid just a hair over 1000 hours a year.

So a decent guess for the "average" guy would be 1300 times hourly pay rate (extra accounts for 401k and profit sharing guessetimate)

ground stop
12-31-2018, 05:57 AM
SWA F/O
1 mo 2nd yr/ 11mo 3rd yr pay
Lineholder
No pickup
Block 656hrs
Pay $140,746
Per Diem $5262
NEC $19,886
Days off per month was >16.

ExAF
12-31-2018, 06:57 AM
I challenge anyone to match my laziness. I'll wager NOBODY (that is gainfully employed full time) worked less than me this year.
DAL 12+ year NB FO
Worked 29 days, including training and 4 green slip days.
Blocked 91 hours.
Total Gross $205.5K (includes 2017 profit sharing)
That's $2.25K/Block hour.
I'm practicing for retirement.:)

Viperstick
12-31-2018, 07:07 AM
UAL 320 F/O commuter, 2 months 4 yr; 10 months 5 yr

Base pay: $207.4K
2017 profit sharing payout: $11.3K
Performance bonuses: $0.8K
Per diem: $8.1K
Company 401K: $33.1K

Total comp: $260.7K
Net take home: $149.9K (after tax, personal contributions, etc)

Credit: 1210.47
Block: 809.02

Days worked: don't know for sure, but probably ~200 (no vacation sell back, sick leave 2x)

Still building the house, worked too much. Got in on the premium-pay-palooza a few times, especially in August; had a few trips bought off too. As someone said, nice to be able to work more if you need to; also nice to throttle back if needed.

NoDeskJob
12-31-2018, 07:24 AM
I challenge anyone to match my laziness. I'll wager NOBODY (that is gainfully employed full time) worked less than me this year.
DAL 12+ year NB FO
Worked 29 days, including training and 4 green slip days.
Blocked 91 hours.
Total Gross $205.5K (includes 2017 profit sharing)
That's $2.25K/Block hour.
I'm practicing for retirement.:)

ExAF is my new hero. Good work. :)

I have a bar to shoot for. What base and equipment may I ask?

busdriver12
12-31-2018, 09:53 AM
I challenge anyone to match my laziness. I'll wager NOBODY (that is gainfully employed full time) worked less than me this year.
DAL 12+ year NB FO
Worked 29 days, including training and 4 green slip days.
Blocked 91 hours.
Total Gross $205.5K (includes 2017 profit sharing)
That's $2.25K/Block hour.
I'm practicing for retirement.:)

Now that would be something to strive for, unless you're knocking out your trips with mil leave. If you're still working on those supposed days off, you're not lazy. If you're not doing mil leave or working other jobs, then I'm impressed.

ExAF
12-31-2018, 11:09 AM
ExAF is my new hero. Good work. :)

I have a bar to shoot for. What base and equipment may I ask?MSP320B

Now that would be something to strive for, unless you're knocking out your trips with mil leave. If you're still working on those supposed days off, you're not lazy. If you're not doing mil leave or working other jobs, then I'm impressed.Retired mil (hence the name). No side gig. Just yardwork, honey do's, plenty of gun range time and motorcycle riding. Reserve by choice. Short call cramps my style once in a while, but I'm not really in a position to complain. Just playing the game with the cards that are dealt. Not chasing the money and living in base suits me just fine.

busdriver12
12-31-2018, 12:43 PM
MSP320B

Retired mil (hence the name). No side gig. Just yardwork, honey do's, plenty of gun range time and motorcycle riding. Reserve by choice. Short call cramps my style once in a while, but I'm not really in a position to complain. Just playing the game with the cards that are dealt. Not chasing the money and living in base suits me just fine.

Good you're not working on your days off, and enjoying your life. Sometimes chasing the money just isn't worth it. But I don't count days on Reserve not called out as days off, days not on any work duty are days off. I'm sure the companies would love to call days on Reserve not used as days off, but thankfully they can't.

flensr
12-31-2018, 05:49 PM
I have trouble following this.
Flight pay 223,000
Block 675
So you made $330.00/hour the entire year?

Isn't it grand? :)

flensr
12-31-2018, 05:52 PM
Simple Answer.

All pairing starts in Memphis. Company buys ticket from MEM to outstation. Pilot can cancel ticket and use money to buy ticket from home to outstation. If ticket is more $, company takes overage from your pay. If less, you can use to reimburse other travel expense but never goes into your pay.

This is not jumpseating.

Know your contract :)

flensr
12-31-2018, 05:56 PM
I challenge anyone to match my laziness. I'll wager NOBODY (that is gainfully employed full time) worked less than me this year.
DAL 12+ year NB FO
Worked 29 days, including training and 4 green slip days.
Blocked 91 hours.
Total Gross $205.5K (includes 2017 profit sharing)
That's $2.25K/Block hour.
I'm practicing for retirement.:)

You're my new hero LOL. I've been practicing for that but haven't made it pay yet. First year at spirit was around $27k (ouch) and first year at SWA is working out to roughly $80k due to dropping more than I pick up. Still, I'm hopeful someday I'll figure it out.

Speedbird2263
12-31-2018, 09:19 PM
MSP320B

Retired mil (hence the name). No side gig. Just yardwork, honey do's, plenty of gun range time and motorcycle riding. Reserve by choice. Short call cramps my style once in a while, but I'm not really in a position to complain. Just playing the game with the cards that are dealt. Not chasing the money and living in base suits me just fine.

Bravo Sir! Bravo.

Big E 757
01-01-2019, 12:13 AM
Thatís a good deal. Iíd be interested to hear what a normal ďfly your lineĒ DL guy makes. I know there are guys at AA that are killling what I made but Iím too lazy to game the system.

Alright, Iíll bite.

Iím not looking up all the details but based off my end of year paycheck...

Iím a 12+ year (top pay scale) A320 Captain:

Total gross comp: $323,050
That includes perdiem and profit sharing (36,000ish and change)
Doesnít include 44,000 company DC funds.

I flew my line of 73-80 hours. I did hustle a little in the summer working max credit in July and 4 days of GS (double time) flying.

I bid reserve 3 months and didnít fly much one month but flew regularly two months (Sep and Oct which I didnít expect...I thought Iíd rest up after a busy summer).

Total block was around 700 hours. Iíll edit this post tomorrow if I get a chance to look it up, but Iím going skiing with the family.

I didnít do anything extraordinary or work too hard, although by the end of August, I was a little burned out. The funny thing for me is, when Iím at home, I miss flying, but when Iím working 4 on, 3 off, I canít wait for a break. My wife works and we have young kids at home. I donít want to miss too much, so Iím looking for a healthy balance. A friend and colleague once told me, ďyour kids are never going to say, ĎDad, you should have worked more.íĒ

80ktsClamp
01-01-2019, 03:57 PM
12 year pay ATL 320 Captain (hit that scale in February)
No green slip flying for me... all but one month no more than 12 days flying.
668 hours block
$313,300 gross
36,500 company contribution to DC

skengdon
01-01-2019, 10:23 PM
UPS 2/3 FO

190k base pay
43k opentime/ja/premiums/training
12k sold vacay
27k b fund


Total 272k plus 9k perdiem

175 days/700 hrs/1202 cred

Fixnem2Flyinem
01-01-2019, 11:30 PM
Five months at year one, then year two pay at a regional with those spinny propeller things on the wings.

720 hours
Probably 1300 legs
Mostly 12-13 days off a month
45k.. I know I know, better than ďback in the dayĒ.. It is my first year making more than 30k, only 4 years and 3 jobs into the career.

Whoops, this is in the big boy forum. Iíll just keep telling myself Iím a grower, not a shower :)

TheWeatherman
01-02-2019, 07:52 AM
Five months at year one, then year two pay at a regional with those spinny propeller things on the wings.

720 hours
Probably 1300 legs
Mostly 12-13 days off a month
45k.. I know I know, better than “back in the day”.. It is my first year making more than 30k, only 4 years and 3 jobs into the career.

Whoops, this is in the big boy forum. I’ll just keep telling myself I’m a grower, not a shower :)
Seriously, thanks for posting these. There are not enough and it gives a good perspective. I think many are afraid to post here because they'll get the "WHHHELLLLL BACK IN MY DAY....!" from posters who now make $400K a year.

Mach Decimal 92
01-02-2019, 08:37 AM
FDX WB FO: second year pay for 11 months.

Gross: 215,000
Per Diem: 7,500
DB: 17,200

Block: 421
Credit: 1303

at6d
01-02-2019, 10:08 AM
Five months at year one, then year two pay at a regional with those spinny propeller things on the wings.

720 hours
Probably 1300 legs
Mostly 12-13 days off a month
45k.. I know I know, better than ďback in the dayĒ.. It is my first year making more than 30k, only 4 years and 3 jobs into the career.

Whoops, this is in the big boy forum. Iíll just keep telling myself Iím a grower, not a shower :)

Congrats on moving up! Many of us Lost Decade types remember the struggle! You are in a great position.

Iíll throw in a ďback in the dayĒ for pay comparisons (I used an inflation calculator).

In 2000, regional newhire pay was $17K at Eagle. The comparative buying power in 2018 money is $24.8K.

Get off my lawn! :)

Spicy McHaggis
01-02-2019, 10:14 AM
Tell me about it. First year at ACA in Ď99 was $19/hr. Get off probation and second year was $19.80! Then subtract dues. It was a forty cent raise. [emoji23]

m3113n1a1
01-02-2019, 10:17 AM
I really hope when I'm older that I'm not a "back in my day" type of old person... but it seems inevitable :eek:

Excargodog
01-02-2019, 10:28 AM
I really hope when I'm older that I'm not a "back in my day" type of old person... but it seems inevitable :eek:

Human nature. Painful memories, viewed through the rear view mirror, somehow become "the good old days," even if they weren't. Or at least, 'I survived MY initiation, why can't you?'

Spicy McHaggis
01-02-2019, 10:29 AM
I really hope when I'm older that I'm not a "back in my day" type of old person... but it seems inevitable :eek:



I hold no bad feelings at all. The more people make at any level in this industry the better it is for all of us.

PotatoChip
01-02-2019, 10:42 AM
I hold no bad feelings at all. The more people make at any level in this industry the better it is for all of us.

I only mind when I have to sit next to a 25 year old FO complain how long itís taking to upgrade and that ďit isnít fair.Ē

Yes, this happens.

Spicy McHaggis
01-02-2019, 11:15 AM
I only mind when I have to sit next to a 25 year old FO complain how long itís taking to upgrade and that ďit isnít fair.Ē



Yes, this happens.



Haha yup I hear ya

hvydvr
01-02-2019, 04:18 PM
DAL yr 3 320 FO
Retired active duty
Min credit bidder frequently drop into the 50s
Wife seems happy and I buy steaks with reckless abandon

Tranquility
01-02-2019, 05:46 PM
Spirit 3/4 year Captain (4th/5th pay steps)

Gross: $212,768 (includes $41.3k ratification bonus)
Per Diem: $4,500
Company retirement total: $18,255 ($16,448 DC new contract + $1,807 match for 2 months of old contract).

Reserve all but 1 month, mostly R11 for NK folk (5 on/ 5 off for other folk)
0 Premium trips
Commuter
Total block time: 422

*10 months new contract, 2 old....*

deus ex machina
01-02-2019, 05:55 PM
Tell me about it. First year at ACA in Ď99 was $19/hr. Get off probation and second year was $19.80! Then subtract dues. It was a forty cent raise. [emoji23]

Subtract PFT and dues was tax deductible... without it, hourly rate would be less... dues has value.

flensr
01-02-2019, 06:52 PM
Congrats on moving up! Many of us Lost Decade types remember the struggle! You are in a great position.

Iíll throw in a ďback in the dayĒ for pay comparisons (I used an inflation calculator).

In 2000, regional newhire pay was $17K at Eagle. The comparative buying power in 2018 money is $24.8K.

Get off my lawn! :)

My W-2 for my first full year at spirit (2017) was ballpark $27k :) Of course, I dropped trips at the slightest excuse because my wife was making more money selling used baby clothes at consignment sales than I was flying. I understand that the new contract is just a *little* better than that haha.

ebl14
01-02-2019, 08:30 PM
I left 135 charter flying for the ULCCs a couple years ago. Iím wondering how those guys are doing these days. When I left the pay trend was definitely rising quickly.

Chimpy
01-03-2019, 02:21 AM
6th year Spirit CA

Blocked 955 hrs for the year.

Took a few Hunor mans.

Worked about 9 days a month.

Total Compensation

$423,167.23

That includes our $85,000 rarification Bonus and 2017 Profit sharing check that worked out to around 54,000 before taxes

Mostly Day trips
Maxed out 401k and Company put 65k into my BBC Fund

Lear Driver
01-03-2019, 04:17 AM
6th year Spirit CA



Blocked 955 hrs for the year.



Took a few Hunor mans.



Worked about 9 days a month.



Total Compensation



$423,167.23



That includes our $85,000 rarification Bonus and 2017 Profit sharing check that worked out to around 54,000 before taxes



Mostly Day trips

Maxed out 401k and Company put 65k into my BBC Fund

No free smiles and high fives anymore?

Sent from my PH-1 using Tapatalk

BoilerUP
01-03-2019, 04:20 AM
Maxed out 401k and Company put 65k into my BBC Fund

The 415(c)(1)(A) defined contribution limit was $55k....?

Chimpy
01-03-2019, 04:35 AM
The 415(c)(1)(A) defined contribution limit was $55k....?

I know. My entire post was satirical

ChecklistMonkey
01-03-2019, 04:36 AM
I know. My entire post was satirical

Someone doesn't know what satire is or how to use it.

BoilerUP
01-03-2019, 04:37 AM
Aha.

My COFFEE LVL LO light must be illuminated

Chimpy
01-03-2019, 04:51 AM
Someone doesn't know what satire is or how to use it.

Iím at least 51% there and thatís good enough for me 🤷🏿*♂️

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RhinoBallAuto
01-03-2019, 07:37 AM
Maxed out 401k and Company put 65k into my BBC Fund

I was just trying to get over bring terrified about how big that fund is....

Ducttape
01-03-2019, 07:49 AM
I was just trying to get over bring terrified about how big that fund is....

It barely fits....:eek:

m3113n1a1
01-03-2019, 08:00 AM
I was just trying to get over bring terrified about how big that fund is....

I think it'd make my wife quite happy though :eek:

Thrust Hold
01-03-2019, 08:17 AM
I know. My entire post was satirical

You had me at Chimpy Blocking 955 Hours. :cool:

Thrust Hold
01-03-2019, 08:26 AM
It’s interesting to look back a few years and see how this thread has changed:

2015:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/92153-true-comparison-pay-vs-quality-life.html

2017:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/110196-2017-w2-earnings.html

Vital Signs
01-03-2019, 09:51 AM
Itís interesting to look back a few years and see how this thread has changed:

2015:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/92153-true-comparison-pay-vs-quality-life.html

2017:

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/110196-2017-w2-earnings.html

Agreed but apples to rotten oranges.
Different times

Ducttape
01-03-2019, 10:15 AM
Agreed but apples to rotten oranges.
Different times

Have to have perspective. Knowing where we were yesterday vs today, will help in dealing with tomorrowís obstacles.

Career is cyclical and ďrotten orangesĒ are not a thing of the past.

John Carr
01-03-2019, 10:33 AM
Have to have perspective. Knowing where we were yesterday vs today, will help in dealing with tomorrow’s obstacles.

Career is cyclical and “rotten oranges” are not a thing of the past.

Agreed.

Flightinfo had a similar thread, although it probably didn’t start till after 9/11.

But if there was a way to look up similar data from that time and adjust it for inflation, well, it would make many cry.....

Most WB CA rates at that time, adjusted for inflation would have them pulling ~375k/yr and WB FO in the high 200’s at just min guaranty months and not being a worker bee.

At least the regional/cargo/LCC/ULCC jobs have seen fantastic gains

Spicy McHaggis
01-03-2019, 10:48 AM
Subtract PFT and dues was tax deductible... without it, hourly rate would be less... dues has value.



No PFT at ACA when I was there.

PhantomHawk
01-03-2019, 10:49 AM
....put 65k into my BBC Fund

I was just trying to get over being terrified about how big that fund is....

It barely fits....:eek:

I think it'd make my wife quite happy though :eek:
Even if she stops at the ATM?

*you people have problems.