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Josepena25
12-27-2018, 11:03 PM
For American Airlines pilots how much have you made to end off this year? & at what year in the pay scale are you currently in?


sumwherelse
12-28-2018, 05:01 AM
Haha. Uh. Why???

Cosa Nostra
12-28-2018, 05:08 AM
One MILLION DOLLARS.


Name User
12-28-2018, 05:11 AM
Lots of single/newly registered posters asking some 'funny' questions lately.

Arado 234
12-28-2018, 05:25 AM
One MILLION DOLLARS.

Damn, you beat me to it.

Oh wait! I didn't include my quarterly distance learning credit! $1,000,000+

Cosa Nostra
12-28-2018, 05:51 AM
Damn, you beat me to it.

Oh wait! I didn't include my quarterly distance learning credit! $1,000,000+




Haha .... :D:D:D

Cheddar
12-28-2018, 06:40 AM
One MILLION DOLLARS.



Dang. I got nothing and was told to like it. [emoji3064]


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Regionalsuck
12-28-2018, 11:47 AM
Figure out what a Delta pilot made with earnings + profit sharing on his W2 and subtract about 20% for AA counterpart. Thatís about what we make.

PilotPete4You
01-03-2019, 03:52 PM
Figure out what a Delta pilot made with earnings + profit sharing on his W2 and subtract about 20% for AA counterpart. Thatís about what we make.

Best answer to boot

Covfefe
01-03-2019, 04:12 PM
Best answer to boot


It was funny at first and then it was sad. :(

Arado 234
01-03-2019, 04:53 PM
Figure out what a Delta pilot made with earnings + profit sharing on his W2 and subtract about 20% for AA counterpart. Thatís about what we make.

Would someone please forward this to those prima donnas running their clown show union at APA headquarters?

sherpster
01-04-2019, 04:21 AM
This reminds me of CnR

QuagmireGiggity
01-04-2019, 05:51 AM
Year 3 197K with 401k total.
167 Taxable. I do nothing extra.

UPTme
01-04-2019, 07:44 AM
Ugh. Someone had to give in

sumwherelse
01-04-2019, 10:01 AM
Year 3 197K with 401k total.
167 Taxable. I do nothing extra.

Blanket party incoming.

sherpster
01-04-2019, 10:35 AM
Blanket party incoming.

Why do you care so much?

PRS Guitars
01-04-2019, 03:25 PM
Just reading off the generic salary survey...we are severely behind in compensation. I used to think seniority progression would make up for it. But that’s simply not true, we are actually behind in upgrades and WB FO progression as well. It’s pretty sad.

I’m a 2014 hire, and have probably already made $300k less than a 2015 Delta hire. Apply TMV over a 25 year career, and that will never be made up, it’s massive.

WhenPigsFLy
01-04-2019, 03:45 PM
11 yr WB FO, $396 with bfund

sumwherelse
01-04-2019, 08:43 PM
Why do you care so much?

Lighten up.

A330FoodCritic
01-04-2019, 10:38 PM
Just reading off the generic salary survey...we are severely behind in compensation. I used to think seniority progression would make up for it. But thatís simply not true, we are actually behind in upgrades and WB FO progression as well. Itís pretty sad.

Iím a 2014 hire, and have probably already made $300k less than a 2015 Delta hire. Apply TMV over a 25 year career, and that will never be made up, itís massive.

You are correct but I think you meant TVM.

GuardPolice
01-05-2019, 04:00 AM
Just reading off the generic salary survey...we are severely behind in compensation. I used to think seniority progression would make up for it. But thatís simply not true, we are actually behind in upgrades and WB FO progression as well. Itís pretty sad.

Iím a 2014 hire, and have probably already made $300k less than a 2015 Delta hire. Apply TMV over a 25 year career, and that will never be made up, itís massive.


Iím a very late 2014 Delta hire and am very curious what your total pay has been for 2015-2018. Just wages, no DC or per diem.

Mind sharing?

PRS Guitars
01-05-2019, 10:10 AM
You are correct but I think you meant TVM.

Yes, thanks!

PRS Guitars
01-05-2019, 10:12 AM
Iím a very late 2014 Delta hire and am very curious what your total pay has been for 2015-2018. Just wages, no DC or per diem.

Mind sharing?

Iíll have to dig it up, and PM you. Only thing that makes it difficult to get Apples to Apples, is I worked 72 days a year in the AF during the last 5 years also.

SilverandSore
01-11-2019, 05:49 AM
11 yr WB FO, $396 with bfund

Explain dat? Copy?

MasterOfPuppets
01-11-2019, 06:49 AM
11 yr WB FO, $396 with bfund

No way an 11 year WB FO could make that. Donít get me wrong thatís a doable paycheck but not at 11 years. You donít have the seniority to get bought off for training nor the bidding horsepower to get ALL the premium pay trips.

It takes 20-25+ years at United for WB FOs to make that pay check.

Al Czervik
01-11-2019, 09:23 AM
No way an 11 year WB FO could make that. Donít get me wrong thatís a doable paycheck but not at 11 years. You donít have the seniority to get bought off for training nor the bidding horsepower to get ALL the premium pay trips.

It takes 20-25+ years at United for WB FOs to make that pay check.

Prob a 767 guy. Not that senior here.

Laker24
01-11-2019, 09:27 AM
Just reading off the generic salary survey...we are severely behind in compensation. I used to think seniority progression would make up for it. But thatís simply not true, we are actually behind in upgrades and WB FO progression as well. Itís pretty sad.

Iím a 2014 hire, and have probably already made $300k less than a 2015 Delta hire. Apply TMV over a 25 year career, and that will never be made up, itís massive.

And sadly it likely won't change. For some reason APA is enamored with the antiquated IMAX system. A few pilots get the chance to fly their as# off for 10 months in order to get two months off with pay. I would much rather be able to periodically get double or triple pay with green slips and trip drops for training. We have a lot of senior pilots who just have no clue how far they are behind Delta or United.

I just can't figure out why AA pilots in general don't seem to think we deserve DAL+. So many threads on C&R turn into 'we can't ask for too much during section 6' or 'we will never get that' etc. Have we been beaten down so long we just feel inferior? Is it a demographic issue and most don't care because they are about to retire?

Laker24
01-11-2019, 09:33 AM
Prob a 767 guy. Not that senior here.

That averages out to 150 hours of credit for 12 months straight. On the 767 (unproductive trips) under the American Airlines pilot contract. I'm going to call BS. Mayyyyyybe that would be possible on the 777/787 with a lot of seniority. Not to mention hardly anyone gets bought off trips anymore. Crew training can pre block as many trips as they like for IOE then dump them into open time if they don't use the sequence.

stinkbug
01-15-2019, 05:42 AM
I just can't figure out why AA pilots in general don't seem to think we deserve DAL+. So many threads on C&R turn into 'we can't ask for too much during section 6' or 'we will never get that' etc. Have we been beaten down so long we just feel inferior? Is it a demographic issue and most don't care because they are about to retire?

Had to check and make sure I wasn't in the Jetblue forum.

full of luv
01-15-2019, 09:28 AM
That averages out to 150 hours of credit for 12 months straight. On the 767 (unproductive trips) under the American Airlines pilot contract. I'm going to call BS. Mayyyyyybe that would be possible on the 777/787 with a lot of seniority. Not to mention hardly anyone gets bought off trips anymore. Crew training can pre block as many trips as they like for IOE then dump them into open time if they don't use the sequence.

Yes and Delta mgmt saw that provision and wanted it for Delta's contract.... one of the top gives that got TA1 voted down. Was removed for TA2 which passed, but don't think mgmt won't try again. Completely abrogates senior FO's rights to bid trips by seniority if trips are pulled by training before PBS even runs.

Al Czervik
01-15-2019, 05:21 PM
Yes and Delta mgmt saw that provision and wanted it for Delta's contract.... one of the top gives that got TA1 voted down. Was removed for TA2 which passed, but don't think mgmt won't try again. Completely abrogates senior FO's rights to bid trips by seniority if trips are pulled by training before PBS even runs.

DL contract was also voted down for the JV language. That would have killed the DL pilots.

aldonite7667
01-15-2019, 07:03 PM
Had to check and make sure I wasn't in the Jetblue forum.


This.........

DarinFred
01-16-2019, 07:08 AM
IMAX is hardly antiquated. It came about in 2011 (I think). It has literally nothing to do with premium or OG trips. The companies fear of giving PM or OG to help man trips is why we donít have the premium opportunities that other airlines have.

If you donít like IMAX, donít participate. Donít trade it away for something we should have anyway.

The biggest opponents to IMAX are the idiots who are too lazy to actually understand it.

full of luv
01-16-2019, 01:03 PM
DL contract was also voted down for the JV language. That would have killed the DL pilots.

And an attempt from Mgmt to reduce profit sharing to what the other groups got (set by Mgmt). When TA2 passed, all these givebacks were gone and guess what....mgmt just raised the other employee groups PS to match what the pilots had originally negotiated years back.

EchoEcho
01-18-2019, 08:52 AM
Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere.
What is the average take home pay for your first year?

Name User
01-18-2019, 10:19 AM
Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere.
What is the average take home pay for your first year?

So many variables. Health insurance, 401k % and traditional vs Roth, state income tax, single vs MFJ, kids/deductions, etc.

Go to paycheckcity.com and input a basic $90 x 76 x 12 with your specifics...gross is around $85k with per diem.

wiz5422
01-18-2019, 02:21 PM
How hard is it to pick up OT on days off on reserve as a new hire?

Can one pick up OT at a different base then where they are based at?

Just trying to see how it is compared to other airlines.

ORDinary
01-18-2019, 02:27 PM
How hard is it to pick up OT on days off on reserve as a new hire?

Can one pick up OT at a different base then where they are based at?

Just trying to see how it is compared to other airlines.

I've only tried a few times but have had very good luck picking up trips out of base. You put yourself on a list for the days you want to fly, then scheduling has to call from that list before they call reserves. You can say no if you don't want what they're offering, but I've had good luck where they offer me a choice of any open trip. Not sure how often this really happens or if I've been lucky.

Covfefe
01-18-2019, 02:28 PM
How hard is it to pick up OT on days off on reserve as a new hire?

Can one pick up OT at a different base then where they are based at?

Just trying to see how it is compared to other airlines.

You canít pick up trips while reserve. Only lineholders. You CAN put in for an over guarantee (OG) trip on your day off. If you get yourself on that list, schedule will call and offer you a trip if they need you. Depending on your base/aircraft/time of year, you might get called once or twice a month for a trip.

mainlineAF
01-18-2019, 02:34 PM
How hard is it to pick up OT on days off on reserve as a new hire?



Can one pick up OT at a different base then where they are based at?



Just trying to see how it is compared to other airlines.



Reserves can not pick up OT on days off. You can sign up for OG (over-guarantee) or premium but you canít just pick up any trip
in open time.

Lineholders can pick up out of base, but not until the day before the trip and itís in seniority order.

TankerDriver
01-18-2019, 02:50 PM
So say you are on SC, only gotten one call all month and only at 25 hrs. Min guarantee is 76 hrs. If you sign up for OG or premium on off days and get a trip on an off day, how is that calculated?

MySaabStory
01-18-2019, 02:54 PM
So say you are on SC, only gotten one call all month and only at 25 hrs. Min guarantee is 76 hrs. If you sign up for OG or premium on off days and get a trip on an off day, how is that calculated?

Whatever that trip is worth is added above your 76 hr guarantee

wiz5422
01-18-2019, 03:16 PM
So is OG just straight pay for what the trip is worth? What is the Premium paid at?

MySaabStory
01-18-2019, 03:37 PM
So is OG just straight pay for what the trip is worth? What is the Premium paid at?

It pays at 1.5

wiz5422
01-18-2019, 04:41 PM
It pays at 1.5

Premium? Or OG?

justfun
01-18-2019, 05:09 PM
OG pays straight time on top of reserve guarantee, either 73 or 76 hours. Premium pays 1.5 on top of guarantee.

Last years as a NB CA intl on SC reserve, I made $310,000. Plus 16% for 401K. I had a few months where I picked up some premium trips.

I didn't hit real hard.

nAAtive
01-18-2019, 05:16 PM
It pays at 1.5

Another thing that needs to be fixed in the contract.

JamesBond
01-27-2019, 10:22 AM
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B757200ER
01-28-2019, 08:41 PM
One MILLION DOLLARS.

Dr Evil!!!:D;)