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FlywithJet
01-02-2019, 11:00 AM
Hello all,

I start ATP/CTP in a week and was wondering if anyone that recently went through training at AW, could share a little about what their experience and training schedule was like through out training. Also is their anything you recommend to start reading up on?


prex8390
01-02-2019, 11:36 AM
Hello all,

I start ATP/CTP in a week and was wondering if anyone that recently went through training at AW, could share a little about what their experience and training schedule was like through out training. Also is their anything you recommend to start reading up on?

Only study what they give you and donít read ahead. Law of primacy

RAHkid94
01-02-2019, 11:52 AM
Only study what they give you and don’t read ahead. Law of primacy

That assumes a competent and standardized training department, where the people testing you aren’t asking dozens of questions that aren’t covered in the reading. If you only study what they give you, you will fail your oral at ZW. The problem is the “kinder, gentler, we aren’t asking you to build the airplane” mentality has hit Indoc and systems ground but not the examiners.

Find a PRM and some gouges once you’re in the schoolhouse. Study roughly twice the depth they tell you. Right now worry about the ATP written, then hit limitations from FCM vol 2.


prex8390
01-02-2019, 12:16 PM
That assumes a competent and standardized training department, where the people testing you arenít asking dozens of questions that arenít covered in the reading. If you only study what they give you, you will fail your oral at ZW. The problem is the ďkinder, gentler, we arenít asking you to build the airplaneĒ mentality has hit Indoc and systems ground but not the examiners.

Find a PRM and some gouges once youíre in the schoolhouse. Study roughly twice the depth they tell you. Right now worry about the ATP written, then hit limitations from FCM vol 2.

I guess I got lucky when i was there and had GP for my examiner. He Showed up an 1:15 late and wanted to be in the sim in 45 minutes. Needless to say not much was covered. When I went though the hot topic was failing people for not having the non memory items on the IAC memorized.

Soxfan1
01-02-2019, 12:34 PM
That assumes a competent and standardized training department, where the people testing you arenít asking dozens of questions that arenít covered in the reading. If you only study what they give you, you will fail your oral at ZW. The problem is the ďkinder, gentler, we arenít asking you to build the airplaneĒ mentality has hit Indoc and systems ground but not the examiners.

Find a PRM and some gouges once youíre in the schoolhouse. Study roughly twice the depth they tell you. Right now worry about the ATP written, then hit limitations from FCM vol 2.

My examiner is known as being in the top 2 as hardest. And my oral was simple, expected and shorter than planned. It was exactly what my sim instructor, who is also an examiner, prepared me for. 100% of every boxed limit. 0 non boxed ones. 100% of every memory item on the IAC. 0% of non memory ones. Systems was done using the overhead panel and in terms of what does this switch do - it was practical real world - not memorizing random things. That was already tested in systems. Plus we did the walk around CD. Asked about 25% of what are you looking at here and what are you looking for.

Checkride was spot on to exactly what maneuvers would be expected. 0 surprises.

I had some of most notorious instructors and examiner but yet I had no issues at all passing. This was my first type. First 121. First jet. Was training easy or the checkride a gimme? Absolutely not. It was very challenging and demanding yet I walked into the checkride ready and actually had fun during it. And I like most hate checkrides but awa had prepared me well.

Overall I was impressed with training from atp through now a few recurrents. It is not easy but I would say from my experience anyway itís fair.

RAHkid94
01-02-2019, 01:28 PM
My examiner is known as being in the top 2 as hardest. And my oral was simple, expected and shorter than planned. It was exactly what my sim instructor, who is also an examiner, prepared me for. 100% of every boxed limit. 0 non boxed ones. 100% of every memory item on the IAC. 0% of non memory ones. Systems was done using the overhead panel and in terms of what does this switch do - it was practical real world - not memorizing random things. That was already tested in systems. Plus we did the walk around CD. Asked about 25% of what are you looking at here and what are you looking for.

Checkride was spot on to exactly what maneuvers would be expected. 0 surprises.

I had some of most notorious instructors and examiner but yet I had no issues at all passing. This was my first type. First 121. First jet. Was training easy or the checkride a gimme? Absolutely not. It was very challenging and demanding yet I walked into the checkride ready and actually had fun during it. And I like most hate checkrides but awa had prepared me well.

Overall I was impressed with training from atp through now a few recurrents. It is not easy but I would say from my experience anyway itís fair.

Iím glad you had a good experience, but Iíd venture that if you went through several recurrents already you donít have a very good idea on what new hire ground school is or isnít covering now.

When I went through they told my class to study *nothing* for systems besides FTM vol 2 and FCM section 2. If youíve read FTM vol 2 lately youíll find lots of key info missing People were getting chastised for reading other materials or asking deeper questions. Over half my class went into ATR for oral knowledge issues. This wasnít my first airline, and Iíve never failed a training event. I passed my first time here but it was through intensive study of things they explicitly told us not to study. Our sim instructors were shocked at the level of knowledge we had coming out of ATW. It was a frantic scramble to get my class the remedial knowledge they needed and in the end everyone passed.

pitchtrim
01-02-2019, 09:00 PM
Oh boo F'n hoo. Hit the books and show up prepared. It ain't rocket science.

tonsterboy5
01-02-2019, 09:14 PM
What class? I was told that the January 6/7th class was canceled and everyone got moved to the 20th

FlywithJet
01-03-2019, 12:43 PM
The FCM and FTM a few of you mentioned I'm guessing is something they will hand out at training?

I have been reading the Turbine Pilot's Flight Manual, to get a basic understanding of some of the systems and also been going through sheppard air for a couple weeks now.

One random question, I've been told the hotel I am staying at is the Red Lion inn, anyone know if there is a kitchenette in the room?

squib
01-03-2019, 02:41 PM
If it's not in volume II for the FCM or FOM they can't expect you to know. I've straight up told examiners to show me where the answer is in our manuals if I don't know it. If they can't then let's move on. Never failed a training event. You can't be expected to know information that is not provided to you. Just because the same people have been in the training department for 2 decades and know how many rivets are in the left wing doesn't mean you need to know it.

Flaps8posrate
01-03-2019, 03:04 PM
The FCM and FTM a few of you mentioned I'm guessing is something they will hand out at training?

I have been reading the Turbine Pilot's Flight Manual, to get a basic understanding of some of the systems and also been going through sheppard air for a couple weeks now.

One random question, I've been told the hotel I am staying at is the Red Lion inn, anyone know if there is a kitchenette in the room?
Flight Crew Manual
Flight Training Manual vol 1&2
They are accessible through your company issued iPad
No kitchenette

6shooter
01-03-2019, 06:22 PM
If the first thing out of your instructor's mouth is "I'm supposed to be off this week but I'm here for the 200 Percent pay", request someone else or at the very least, make sure they cover the basics with you and don't jump all over the folder to be a good guy for the other instructors. You will be cheated out of important training and wasting sim time and ultimately flunk out of the program.

RabidW0mbat
01-05-2019, 07:06 AM
If the first thing out of your instructor's mouth is "I'm supposed to be off this week but I'm here for the 200 Percent pay", request someone else or at the very least, make sure they cover the basics with you and don't jump all over the folder to be a good guy for the other instructors. You will be cheated out of important training and wasting sim time and ultimately flunk out of the program.

Or ďI need to be home at night this week, so here I am.Ē
Word for word off the powerpoints and eye rolls at every question.

Great...

6shooter
01-05-2019, 07:42 AM
I had no issues with the ground training. Systems was excellent. The sim instructors, who I wish not to name, were awful. Allowed you to make the same mistakes over and over without any assistance. Kept playing with their cellular phones behind us. The did not care if you moved on or not as long as their paycheck was fat. I know it sounds like I am bitter. I'm not. But as an instructor myself, I was not impressed with the sim experience. I have heard the same issues in ATL and CVG locations.

RabidW0mbat
01-05-2019, 09:37 AM
I had no issues with the ground training. Systems was excellent. The sim instructors, who I wish not to name, were awful. Allowed you to make the same mistakes over and over without any assistance. Kept playing with their cellular phones behind us. The did not care if you moved on or not as long as their paycheck was fat. I know it sounds like I am bitter. I'm not. But as an instructor myself, I was not impressed with the sim experience. I have heard the same issues in ATL and CVG locations.

And I had the opposite experience. Only had one bad instructor, and that was in ground. All my CPT / SIM guys were good.

For OP, come in ready to work, and do whatís put in front of you. Indoc and Systems are straightforward if you complete the homework assigned and maybe read ahead if you have the time for the next days systems so things are at least familiar. Arrive to CPT with everything memorized down cold...simple as that. CPT is a dumb place to wash out. Sims are stressful to a point, but keep a good attitude and your instructors really will go out of their way to help you get whatever is missing to ďclick.Ē Obviously your mileage may vary, but you get out of the process what you put into it right? This was my first 121 Indoc and 2nd jet type, had no issues.

ypSUHlanti
01-05-2019, 09:51 AM
What class? I was told that the January 6/7th class was canceled and everyone got moved to the 20th

What happened here? Why did they get pushed two weeks?

tonsterboy5
01-05-2019, 09:32 PM
What happened here? Why did they get pushed two weeks?

Guess it was just me, maybe a few others. The drug test werenít ordered in time.

ypSUHlanti
01-06-2019, 06:37 PM
Guess it was just me, maybe a few others. The drug test werenít ordered in time.

Oh, you mean start of ATP, not Sims... Got you. Strange, maybe because of the holidays?