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Flyjay342
01-04-2019, 01:52 PM
Did anyone else see the video of Ed Bastian basically confirming Compass and GoJet will no longer be flying for Delta. I saw it posted to a FB group today, via youtube.

https://youtu.be/4s8x65QfE0c


JSDL
01-04-2019, 01:59 PM
You are late to the party. Follow along in the other thread.

LadyJustice
01-27-2019, 06:54 PM
I was talking to a high level Delta Corporate guy yesterday and asked about the 3 regional plan.

He said that the last deal with Compass was just a 2 year deal that they did because Skywest could not handle all the flying that they wanted to give to Skywest at the time. I guess Skywest was already getting a bunch of 175s for them at the time and could not add pilots fast enough to take on more flying.

He said that Skywest moved a bunch of planes east and they gave Compass the west coast flying that Compass has there now. But, when that 2 year contract ends he said that Skywest will be moving back west. I wanted to ask if Skywest was moving the east coast stuff back west or adding new west coast flying, but he was on a roll and I didn't want to slow him down. I'm guessing he meant new west coast flying and he didn't phrase it correctly. Anyone have info on this? He talked faster than I could keep up.

He mentioned that Delta is very concerned with working with TSH because of lawsuits by employees against them for terminating employees taking FMLA and firing protected Guard or Reservists. "The last thing we need is to hear about how are regionals are taking health insurance away from people with cancer to save money or reservists who are fighting for the country." I thought that was interesting. He mentioned the Dr being dragged off of Republic on a United flight was very bad for United.

So is all the Compass flying going to go to American? Maybe United would like those 170s flying for them? Any chance of flying for Alaska? They won't close will they?


AirBat
01-28-2019, 12:04 AM
Thatís not... the last deal with Delta was not a 2 year deal. Iíll just leave it at that.

C37AFE
01-28-2019, 03:00 AM
I was talking to a high level Delta Corporate guy yesterday and asked about the 3 regional plan.

He said that the last deal with Compass was just a 2 year deal that they did because Skywest could not handle all the flying that they wanted to give to Skywest at the time. I guess Skywest was already getting a bunch of 175s for them at the time and could not add pilots fast enough to take on more flying.

He said that Skywest moved a bunch of planes east and they gave Compass the west coast flying that Compass has there now. But, when that 2 year contract ends he said that Skywest will be moving back west. I wanted to ask if Skywest was moving the east coast stuff back west or adding new west coast flying, but he was on a roll and I didn't want to slow him down. I'm guessing he meant new west coast flying and he didn't phrase it correctly. Anyone have info on this? He talked faster than I could keep up.

He mentioned that Delta is very concerned with working with TSH because of lawsuits by employees against them for terminating employees taking FMLA and firing protected Guard or Reservists. "The last thing we need is to hear about how are regionals are taking health insurance away from people with cancer to save money or reservists who are fighting for the country." I thought that was interesting. He mentioned the Dr being dragged off of Republic on a United flight was very bad for United.

So is all the Compass flying going to go to American? Maybe United would like those 170s flying for them? Any chance of flying for Alaska? They won't close will they?



Delta CEO said in an invested meeting last month they are done with both gojet and compass. They are consolidating their regionals to endeavor, Skywest and republic. American has been bringing all their flying back in house to their woís United already has to rid itself of 25 crjís for scope so doubt they will be adding compass flying. Donít see Alaska adding a regional under them

gojo
01-28-2019, 03:39 AM
Delta CEO said in an invested meeting last month they are done with both gojet and compass. They are consolidating their regionals to endeavor, Skywest and republic. American has been bringing all their flying back in house to their woís United already has to rid itself of 25 crjís for scope so doubt they will be adding compass flying. Donít see Alaska adding a regional under them

I donít think that the working relationship is very good between Delta and TSH.

FlyingKat
01-28-2019, 09:59 AM
I donít think that the working relationship is very good between Delta and TSH.

I don't think TSH management has a good relationship with anybody right now. I think its probable the Delta Compass airplanes still end up at Republic, the Delta Gojet planes at Endeavor, the United Gojet planes get parked, and the TSA 145s end up at as part of the new UAL joint venture. Hopefully with the pilots but we'll see....

C37AFE
01-28-2019, 02:09 PM
I don't think TSH management has a good relationship with anybody right now. I think its probable the Delta Compass airplanes still end up at Republic, the Delta Gojet planes at Endeavor, the United Gojet planes get parked, and the TSA 145s end up at as part of the new UAL joint venture. Hopefully with the pilots but we'll see....


Thatís what my crystal ball says with American taking their flying from compass as well

Sperrysan
01-28-2019, 02:13 PM
Did anyone else see the video of Ed Bastian basically confirming Compass and GoJet will no longer be flying for Delta. I saw it posted to a FB group today, via youtube.

https://youtu.be/4s8x65QfE0c
Dead link btw

amcnd
01-28-2019, 04:15 PM
Dead link btw

Im sure they took it down because its not public yet... SEC could have a issue with people buying selling stock based off of that videos info...(thats only Republic. Becythe other two are private companies).

Guess what im saying is they could have announced a extension to the Compass contract and snuffed out what he said.. but they didnít (September itís up) either way will know soon..

poorflyer
01-28-2019, 04:56 PM
You guys are such bummers. What will constantly posting this stuff change?

Excargodog
01-28-2019, 05:33 PM
You guys are such bummers. What will constantly posting this stuff change?

Well, the only good thing about pessimists is that that all their surprises are pleasant ones.

Guys, it is what it is. People bid for contracts. Sometimes they get them, sometimes they don’t. When the contract is coming to the end of its term, sometimes it’s renewed and sometimes it isn’t.

Whatever the result, it isn’t going to be the end of the world for anyone. Rarely in the past two decades have the opportunities for airline pilots been this good. And given age-related retirements at the majors, they are only going to get better.

Management has far more to lose than the pilots do if these contracts aren’t renewed or replaced. You have to believe they are aggressively working the issue.

TillerTemptress
01-28-2019, 07:14 PM
Im sure they took it down because its not public yet... SEC could have a issue with people buying selling stock based off of that videos info...(thats only Republic. Becythe other two are private companies).

Guess what im saying is they could have announced a extension to the Compass contract and snuffed out what he said.. but they didnít (September itís up) either way will know soon..

It's not up in September LOL. :D much much much later than that. Love all these people posting here like they know something, and then giving away little nuggets of info showing they have no clue what's happening.

TillerThriller
01-28-2019, 07:52 PM
Do they even work for Compass or just posting doom and gloom from other airlines?

NeverFlexTO
01-28-2019, 08:14 PM
Delta CEO said in an invested meeting last month they are done with both gojet and compass. They are consolidating their regionals to endeavor, Skywest and republic. American has been bringing all their flying back in house to their woís United already has to rid itself of 25 crjís for scope so doubt they will be adding compass flying. Donít see Alaska adding a regional under them

Have you seen the video? Or is this heresay, because thatís not at all what he said, he eluded to things but didnít come out and say these are done deals...also things change on a daily basis in the regional industry. Flew RJs for 11 years, saw it all, just when you think you know, things change with the snap of a finger. I watched a company hire 250 pilots for 25 airplanes and after airplane #10 showed the other 15 went somewhere else...deals will be struck if it makes economical and business sense, not what you, me or any other pilot thinks what will happen...we are all pawns

ELAC321
01-28-2019, 08:53 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/2saf17.jpg

Don't stress guys you probably wouldn't miss a paycheck. Honestly it would benefit a lot of guys in this hiring environment. Major carriers would snatch up any clean ALPA pilot on the street very quickly.

poorflyer
01-28-2019, 08:59 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/2saf17.jpg

Don't stress guys you probably wouldn't miss a paycheck. Honestly it would benefit a lot of guys in this hiring environment. Major carriers would snatch up any clean ALPA pilot on the street very quickly.

Now memes, I can get behind that.

VIRotate
01-28-2019, 10:35 PM
Delta CEO said in an invested meeting last month they are done with both gojet and compass. They are consolidating their regionals to endeavor, Skywest and republic. American has been bringing all their flying back in house to their woís United already has to rid itself of 25 crjís for scope so doubt they will be adding compass flying. Donít see Alaska adding a regional under them

Actually he didnít say that all. Just named the 3 regionals that he would like to see doing the Delta flying. Could this be in 6 months? Sure. Could this be in 6 years? Sure.

gojo
01-29-2019, 01:18 AM
It's not up in September LOL. :D much much much later than that. Love all these people posting here like they know something, and then giving away little nuggets of info showing they have no clue what's happening.

Youíre just as bad as the people youíre speaking of. If you know when the CPA term ends why not just say it? Instead you have to play these little games. Wtf is wrong with you?

mpet
01-29-2019, 02:23 AM
Youíre just as bad as the people youíre speaking of. If you know when the CPA term ends why not just say it? Instead you have to play these little games. Wtf is wrong with you?

July 2020, but shouldn't a wanna be airline tycoon like you know that already? Go back to aerobiz

ninerdriver
01-29-2019, 04:39 AM
https://i.imgflip.com/2saf17.jpg

OMG! OO pilots are so cuuuuuute

VIRotate
01-29-2019, 04:45 AM
Youíre just as bad as the people youíre speaking of. If you know when the CPA term ends why not just say it? Instead you have to play these little games. Wtf is wrong with you?

It's up sometime in 2020.

FlyingKat
01-29-2019, 05:22 AM
Actually he didnít say that all. Just named the 3 regionals that he would like to see doing the Delta flying. Could this be in 6 months? Sure. Could this be in 6 years? Sure.

Actually there wasn't any ambiguity about it, and he said small operations like Gojet (the question was in reference to Gojet) would be gone in 12 to 24 months, which gets you to either 2019 or 2020.

Now things always are subject to change, but it was a pretty definite statement and was supposed to be "among friends" and stay in the room.

FlyingKat
01-29-2019, 05:40 AM
Have you seen the video? Or is this heresay, because thatís not at all what he said, he eluded to things but didnít come out and say these are done deals...also things change on a daily basis in the regional industry. Flew RJs for 11 years, saw it all, just when you think you know, things change with the snap of a finger. I watched a company hire 250 pilots for 25 airplanes and after airplane #10 showed the other 15 went somewhere else...deals will be struck if it makes economical and business sense, not what you, me or any other pilot thinks what will happen...we are all pawns

I've seen the video. Bastian said with clarity that going forward their regional partners would be Republic, Endeavor, and Skywest. He also said that small operations like Gojet would be gone in 12-24 months. That is why the managements at TSH and Delta weren't happy it was released and it was taken down. What he said was clearly "among friends" and off the record. Bastian never thought the comments would see the light of day. Kind of stupid in the age of cell phones, but CEOs and politicians make mistakes like that all the time.

If you have been around as long as you say you have, then you know these CPAs are written with plenty of ways for mainline carriers to dump the regional carrier for lack of performance or other reasons if they feel the need to terminate early and get rid of them. With the IOCC cluster and other issues I guarantee Delta and United have all the ammunition they need to cancel these contracts if they desire. The biggest impediment to moving the planes is the lack of pilots, otherwise I think this would already be happening.

Now its the airlines, hold your breath and things can change. But if you work for any of the TSH carriers and don't realize some big changes are likely headed our way, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you cheap. What is likely is the airlines are sold and Hulas heads back to Boca with a big check and we are all better off for it in the end. But there is always the danger TSH management could screw this up and have the planes taken away, which wouldn't be good for any of us. Gojet is likely up first, and if they lose the 25 UAL 700s that will tell you where we are all going. What affects one TSH carrier could affect us all.

savedbythevnav
01-29-2019, 06:55 AM
https://i.imgflip.com/2saf17.jpg


You got us. All 4,800 of us are in the board room making the decision.

As if we sit here wanting to f*ck over another pilot group. We can't staff our current contracts without tanking everyone's QOL, let alone some other airlines contracts.

ELAC321
01-29-2019, 07:23 AM
You got us. All 4,800 of us are in the board room making the decision.

As if we sit here wanting to f*ck over another pilot group. We can't staff our current contracts without tanking everyone's QOL, let alone some other airlines contracts.

Calm down, it was a joke that some skyw pilots seemingly get giddy when their company takes planes from other carriers.

Excargodog
01-29-2019, 07:56 AM
If you have been around as long as you say you have, then you know these CPAs are written with plenty of ways for mainline carriers to dump the regional carrier for lack of performance or other reasons if they feel the need to terminate early and get rid of them.

Absolutely, which affects EVERYBODY who is flying codeshares, not just the regional airlines with the misfortune to currently be owned by TSH.



Now its the airlines, hold your breath and things can change.

Again correct. Ask the Delta guys who lost their pensions during the Delta bankruptcy. It's a cyclical industry. The highs can be damn high and a year later you may be furloughed and looking for a way to feed your family until the next upturn.

If this is the career you have chosen the sooner you either realize that and accept that or decide to go do something else, the happier you will be.

But now having conceded that, the times are currently good, and the prospects for a professional pilot has rarely been better than in the current marketplace. Nobody is ever completely in charge of their destiny but right now, right here, doesn't seem like a bad place to be.

Voski
01-29-2019, 03:29 PM
When is Compassí agreement with American set to expire?

C37AFE
01-29-2019, 07:11 PM
Have you seen the video? Or is this heresay, because thatís not at all what he said, he eluded to things but didnít come out and say these are done deals...also things change on a daily basis in the regional industry. Flew RJs for 11 years, saw it all, just when you think you know, things change with the snap of a finger. I watched a company hire 250 pilots for 25 airplanes and after airplane #10 showed the other 15 went somewhere else...deals will be struck if it makes economical and business sense, not what you, me or any other pilot thinks what will happen...we are all pawns


Yes I saw it and it was very clear that he said they were consolidating to those three. Others on here came away with same understanding....

NeverFlexTO
01-30-2019, 05:23 AM
When is Compassí agreement with American set to expire?

Thatís been beat with a dead horse in the main compass thread so do a little research before posting...but realistically 2024 after the 2 two year automatic contract renewals...

TheFly
01-30-2019, 06:27 AM
https://i.imgflip.com/2saf17.jpg

Don't stress guys you probably wouldn't miss a paycheck. Honestly it would benefit a lot of guys in this hiring environment. Major carriers would snatch up any clean ALPA pilot on the street very quickly.
Really? I know several Comair pilots that ended up as part 135 dispatchers and pilots. SkyWest pilots get hired at SWA, UA, DL, AA and any other major/legacy as much as any other carrier. Any OO has never furloughed.

TheFly
01-30-2019, 06:29 AM
Yes I saw it and it was very clear that he said they were consolidating to those three. Others on here came away with same understanding....

Not trying to fan the flames, but don’t rule out SKW in picking up flying from, or consolidating/acquiring with some of the aforementioned regionals.

savedbythevnav
01-30-2019, 08:28 AM
OO has never furloughed.

While this is true, I don't know if I would bank on that in the future. There's no way OO could justify hanging onto almost 5,000 pilots if the last 15 years happened all over again.

Ara1
01-30-2019, 11:19 AM
While this is true, I don't know if I would bank on that in the future. There's no way OO could justify hanging onto almost 5,000 pilots if the last 15 years happened all over again.

Yeah, I'd think they learned their lesson with ExpressJet.

hawk21
01-30-2019, 12:27 PM
Calm down, it was a joke that some skyw pilots seemingly get giddy when their company takes planes from other carriers.


Only airplanes SkyWest has "taken" from other companies has been 700s from XJT/ASA (SkyWest owns those planes by the way). All the 175 flying is done with brand new planes from the factory.

gojo
01-30-2019, 12:45 PM
Only airplanes SkyWest has "taken" from other companies has been 700s from XJT/ASA (SkyWest owns those planes by the way). All the 175 flying is done with brand new planes from the factory.

601XJ 602XJ plus a few other 200ís from Mesaba. Skywest isnít as perfect as youíd like to portray. And theyíre party to the regional whipsaw game

savedbythevnav
01-30-2019, 02:07 PM
Skywest isnít as perfect as youíd like to portray.

Furthest thing from perfect. They should learn how to hire and use reserves instead of extended people up the wazoo and then wondering why people call fatigued.

More flying is cool if we could actually staff it. I guess Joseph Smith told management that they don't need staffing because American Jesus told him so.

VIRotate
01-30-2019, 02:47 PM
Really? I know several Comair pilots that ended up as part 135 dispatchers and pilots. SkyWest pilots get hired at SWA, UA, DL, AA and any other major/legacy as much as any other carrier. Any OO has never furloughed.

Did you actually take a meme seriously? :rolleyes:

GojetNoGo
01-30-2019, 05:15 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/2saf17.jpg

Don't stress guys you probably wouldn't miss a paycheck. Honestly it would benefit a lot of guys in this hiring environment. Major carriers would snatch up any clean ALPA pilot on the street very quickly.

I was with 2 major ALPA airlines and received the ®preferential jobs at major ALPA carriers® twice. The only airline that did that was United and it was not a job but only an interview. Delta, Alaska, American, etc give no preference in any way. I do not know a single person who even got a Delta interview after one of the shutdowns.

The preferential interview is not much of an interview. They only hired 14% of those interviewed the first airline, and less with the second. Those they hired all seemed to be in the minority categories they needed at the time, Blacks, Hispanics, Asian, and pilots with lots of grey hair (to counter their prior age discrimination lawsuit they lost). I donīt think there is any preferential jobs that you can count on. The odds were much better off the street.

AirBat
01-30-2019, 05:17 PM
Maybe you didnít get it because youíre a racist. Just a thought. You were probably *****ing about it to one of their recruiters on accident.

JSDL
01-30-2019, 06:11 PM
Maybe you didnít get it because youíre a racist. Just a thought. You were probably *****ing about it to one of their recruiters on accident.

So his comments make him a racist? Interesting times we live in! Folks this is out of control.

Paid2fly
01-30-2019, 08:50 PM
Maybe you didnít get it because youíre a racist. Just a thought. You were probably *****ing about it to one of their recruiters on accident.




:confused:



:eek:




:rolleyes:

ninerdriver
01-31-2019, 06:28 AM
Obviously not racist, because he didn't say "the blacks, the Hispanics, the Asians."

:rolleyes:

BobbyLeeSwagger
01-31-2019, 06:47 AM
Obviously not racist, because he didn't say "the blacks, the Hispanics, the Asians."

:rolleyes:
https://i.imgflip.com/2sid2m.jpg

savedbythevnav
01-31-2019, 08:22 AM
Obviously not racist, because he didn't say "the blacks, the Hispanics, the Asians."

:rolleyes:

https://wronghands1.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/ten-foot-poles.jpg

NeverFlexTO
01-31-2019, 08:42 AM
I was with 2 major ALPA airlines and received the ®preferential jobs at major ALPA carriers® twice. The only airline that did that was United and it was not a job but only an interview. Delta, Alaska, American, etc give no preference in any way. I do not know a single person who even got a Delta interview after one of the shutdowns.

The preferential interview is not much of an interview. They only hired 14% of those interviewed the first airline, and less with the second. Those they hired all seemed to be in the minority categories they needed at the time, Blacks, Hispanics, Asian, and pilots with lots of grey hair (to counter their prior age discrimination lawsuit they lost). I donīt think there is any preferential jobs that you can count on. The odds were much better off the street.

I interviewed at DAL more than a year ago after the ASA announcement of them withdrawing their DL flying...they certainly gave those guys preferential treatment. There was a solid 6 months where they hired a ton of legacy ASA guys after that announcement was made, so to say DL wasnít giving those guys at ASA (an ALPA carrier) preferential treatment is far from the truth

sMFer
01-31-2019, 12:07 PM
Maybe you didnít get it because youíre a racist. Just a thought. You were probably *****ing about it to one of their recruiters on accident.Someone needs a safe space.

Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk

Captain Slow
01-31-2019, 01:00 PM
Im sure they took it down because its not public yet... SEC could have a issue with people buying selling stock based off of that videos info...(thats only Republic. Becythe other two are private companies).

Guess what im saying is they could have announced a extension to the Compass contract and snuffed out what he said.. but they didnít (September itís up) either way will know soon..

You know Republic isn't public, right?

amcnd
01-31-2019, 01:02 PM
You know Republic isn't public, right?

Ya. I said that..^ read it again

Silver02ex
01-31-2019, 05:13 PM
Only airplanes SkyWest has "taken" from other companies has been 700s from XJT/ASA (SkyWest owns those planes by the way). All the 175 flying is done with brand new planes from the factory.

You’re kidding right? How about the Comair 900’s, the original Pinnalce 900’s (PQ) or other 200’s from ASA? Who do think picked up some of the flying after Pinnacle/Endeavor filed for BK? I’ve seen a couple 200’s last year that’s operated by SW and remember flying those airplane at Endeavor.

https://m.planespotters.net/airline/SkyWest-Airlines?p=3

waflyboy
01-31-2019, 05:45 PM
Guess what im saying is they could have announced a extension to the Compass contract and snuffed out what he said.. but they didnít (September itís up) either way will know soon..

Are you saying that the Compass-Delta contract expires in September 2019? How do you know?

TillerTemptress
01-31-2019, 07:04 PM
It's not up until a fair bit later in 2020...

VIRotate
02-01-2019, 12:35 AM
It's not up until a fair bit later in 2020...

This is actually when it expires.

Excargodog
02-01-2019, 06:51 AM
This is actually when it expires.

Meaning the corporate game of chicken will continue awhile longer until one or the other yields or the crash occurs.

WillRobinsonCRJ
02-01-2019, 02:16 PM
Maybe you didn’t get it because you’re a racist. Just a thought. You were probably *****ing about it to one of their recruiters on accident.

I don't know how it is now but back in the late 80s and early 90s United was working very hard to recruit and hire minorities to make up for past discrimination. They had quotas to fill from agreements they made with the government, EEOC I assume, although they were called "goals". In 1993 (might have been 1992) they had to pay the government 1.3 million because they did not meet their goals that year. Friends of mine with any kind of minority status with the same qualifications as me were hired 4 years before I even obtained an interview. That was just how it was.

I agree that nobody should be thinking that a preferential interview will get you much.

Does AirBat actually think he is being professional with his posts?

VIRotate
02-01-2019, 09:20 PM
Meaning the corporate game of chicken will continue awhile longer until one or the other yields or the crash occurs.

Yes exactly. It's just not worth the extra grey hairs worrying about it. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't.

FlyGuy21
04-24-2019, 02:55 AM
So I'm reading through this... what's the deal here? It looks like end of 2020 DAL may drop Compass, then what? Furlough a bunch of pilots because 34% of flying goes to DAL (according to the web site (http://www.compassairline.com/careers/Pages/Pilots.aspx))? Don't want to pursue a job if there's a potential for the company to say "bye bye" after a year or 2.

amcnd
04-24-2019, 05:28 AM
So I'm reading through this... what's the deal here? It looks like end of 2020 DAL may drop Compass, then what? Furlough a bunch of pilots because 34% of flying goes to DAL (according to the web site (http://www.compassairline.com/careers/Pages/Pilots.aspx))? Don't want to pursue a job if there's a potential for the company to say "bye bye" after a year or 2.

Risk vs reward. Reward. Rapid movement, no reserve time, fast upgrade.. Or you get hired and yes AA gives the aircraft back to Envoy and Delta gives the planes to endeavor/Republic. And you end up at Sister company GoJet orTSA.

Take the risk!!. Plenty of lateral moves at the first sign of impending doom available...

Excargodog
04-24-2019, 05:41 AM
So I'm reading through this... what's the deal here? It looks like end of 2020 DAL may drop Compass, then what? Furlough a bunch of pilots because 34% of flying goes to DAL (according to the web site (http://www.compassairline.com/careers/Pages/Pilots.aspx))? Don't want to pursue a job if there's a potential for the company to say "bye bye" after a year or 2.

Welcome to the real world. Every contract has an expiration date. The Compass-Delta contract happens to be up for renewal in a little over a year. Basically two possibilities:
1. It WILL be renewed.
2. It WILL NOT be renewed.

Nothing you can do about either of those possibilities. Contracts can also be cancelled out of cycle for a variety of reasons. Even wholly owned regionals (that is, owned by the major airlines whose colors they fly, like Endeavor and Delta and Piedmont and AA) can be sold by the major. (Compass was once wholly owned by Delta, less than ten years ago).

That’s simply reality. Is it LIKELY Compass will close its doors? No, but it COULD happen.

The history of regional airlines is littered with closed regionals, including wholly owned ones (like Comair) that were once THE place to be. For that matter, ever hear of PanAm? TWA? Braniff.

Bankruptcies are endemic in this business. Heck, Republic re-emerged from bankruptcy just a few years ago. Delta was bankrupt about a decade ago (and a lot of Delta pilots lost their pensions in the bankruptcy reorganization).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airline_bankruptcies_in_the_United_States# Chapter_11

If you want a career with a lot of certainty in it, well that isn’t airline pilot.

Oh, and you are misreading the graph with the 34%. That’s not the proportion of Compass flying that is Delta Connection (which is closer to TWO-thirds) that is the percentage of those pilots leaving Compass who have gone on to work for Delta.

But seriously, if you are looking for a CAREER regional, Compass is a poor fit. The average guy/gal moves on in only about three years.

stang
04-24-2019, 06:42 AM
Welcome to the real world. Every contract has an expiration date. The Compass-Delta contract happens to be up for renewal in a little over a year. Basically two possibilities:
1. It WILL be renewed.
2. It WILL NOT be renewed.

Nothing you can do about either of those possibilities. Contracts can also be cancelled out of cycle for a variety of reasons. Even wholly owned regionals (that is, owned by the major airlines whose colors they fly, like Endeavor and Delta and Piedmont and AA) can be sold by the major. (Compass was once wholly owned by Delta, less than ten years ago).

Thatís simply reality. Is it LIKELY Compass will close its doors? No, but it COULD happen.

The history of regional airlines is littered with closed regionals, including wholly owned ones (like Comair) that were once THE place to be. For that matter, ever hear of PanAm? TWA? Braniff.

Bankruptcies are endemic in this business. Heck, Republic re-emerged from bankruptcy just a few years ago. Delta was bankrupt about a decade ago (and a lot of Delta pilots lost their pensions in the bankruptcy reorganization).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airline_bankruptcies_in_the_United_States# Chapter_11

If you want a career with a lot of certainty in it, well that isnít airline pilot.

Oh, and you are misreading the graph with the 34%. Thatís not the proportion of Compass flying that is Delta Connection (which is closer to TWO-thirds) that is the percentage of those pilots leaving Compass who have gone on to work for Delta.

But seriously, if you are looking for a CAREER regional, Compass is a poor fit. The average guy/gal moves on in only about three years.


*This* - If you do get hired and it fills one's current needs for progression / base / etc - then make the next best decision when something occurs out of one's control. I am still actively pursuing Compass as my times are close to ATP mins because of the small footprint (west coast bases / flying), equipment and pay is relatively equal across all regionals. Sure there are unknowns but if it only lasts 1 year, one will still have a type and time valuable. Seems hiring is slow currently at compass vs. other regionals so that could be an indication of caution from the business side as well.

FlyingKat
04-28-2019, 12:10 PM
Most likely Compass is getting bought by RAH. Handwriting is on the wall. Gojet started losing planes to Endeavor two weeks ago, and a buddy at RAH told me last week Bedford is cutting budgets back in May and June because the company needs $10 million for something big this summer. Also staffing up the training department as well.

Probably will all go down in June or July. Compass to RAH, Gojets and TSA get controlled by UAL either through a restructure of ownership or a buyout by ManaAir or Commutair. Gojet Delta flying all ends up at Endeavor.

Excargodog
04-28-2019, 01:26 PM
Most likely Compass is getting bought by RAH. Handwriting is on the wall. Gojet started losing planes to Endeavor two weeks ago, and a buddy at RAH told me last week Bedford is cutting budgets back in May and June because the company needs $10 million for something big this summer. Also staffing up the training department as well.

Probably will all go down in June or July. Compass to RAH, Gojets and TSA get controlled by UAL either through a restructure of ownership or a buyout by ManaAir or Commutair. Gojet Delta flying all ends up at Endeavor.

Oh good. We havenít had a good buyout rumor in months, and RAH always was a favorite. Of course theyíve got a different basing model and a different union, so even if it does happen things will probably remain status quo for a year or two while the details are worked out on the SLI, the base and seat lock, the snack basket menu, and everything else. The raise would be nice though. :D

Of course, as often as these rumored deals have fallen through in the past, I wouldn't get too excited just yet.

ninerdriver
04-28-2019, 02:57 PM
Oh good. We havenít had a good buyout rumor in months, and RAH always was a favorite. Of course theyíve got a different basing model and a different union, so even if it does happen things will probably remain status quo for a year or two while the details are worked out on the SLI, the base and seat lock, the snack basket menu, and everything else. The raise would be nice though. :D

Of course, as often as these rumored deals have fallen through in the past, I wouldn't get too excited just yet.

Let's make this more fun. Delta's share of Republic to TSH for the LGA gates. United's share goes next for, I dunno, Commutair? TSH becomes the largest stakeholder in RAH.

FlyingKat
04-28-2019, 03:30 PM
Oh good. We havenít had a good buyout rumor in months, and RAH always was a favorite. Of course theyíve got a different basing model and a different union, so even if it does happen things will probably remain status quo for a year or two while the details are worked out on the SLI, the base and seat lock, the snack basket menu, and everything else. The raise would be nice though. :D

Of course, as often as these rumored deals have fallen through in the past, I wouldn't get too excited just yet.

The movement of the Gojet planes tell you this is happening. That and the video of the Delta CEO from November is pretty strong proof that this deal has been done for a while. The only problem was TSA because Hulas has said many times he won't let Compass or Gojet go without a deal in place for TSA as well. Everybody thought this was done in August until United couldn't come up with the scope concessions to allow replacement of the 145s with 170s so Bedford balked. Deal was probably finalized when Gojet made the 550 announcement. If TSA comes back with a proposed TA in the next negotiation session in May you will know the deal is on for sure. Next few months should be interesting.

yrbroom
04-28-2019, 05:17 PM
Does Hulas just talk to everyone about his game plan and how he's feeling or what

VIRotate
04-28-2019, 09:31 PM
Oh good. We havenít had a good buyout rumor in months, and RAH always was a favorite. Of course theyíve got a different basing model and a different union, so even if it does happen things will probably remain status quo for a year or two while the details are worked out on the SLI, the base and seat lock, the snack basket menu, and everything else. The raise would be nice though. :D

Of course, as often as these rumored deals have fallen through in the past, I wouldn't get too excited just yet.

The RAH deal wasn't a rumor. It was about to happen until UA somehow put their foot down.

FlyingKat
04-29-2019, 02:17 AM
The RAH deal wasn't a rumor. It was about to happen until UA somehow put their foot down.

What I heard was UAL couldn't give scope concessions to replace the TSA 145s with 170s so it fell apart. However it is not a coincidence that Mana Air was created by UAL at the same time and is purchasing regionals. Both TSA and Gojet will probably end up owned by Mana Air or controlled by UAL. Most likely a Mana Air purchase once our contract is finished and Blowjet gets a 50 seat payrate.

Cujo665
04-29-2019, 06:54 AM
So I'm reading through this... what's the deal here? It looks like end of 2020 DAL may drop Compass, then what? Furlough a bunch of pilots because 34% of flying goes to DAL (according to the web site (http://www.compassairline.com/careers/Pages/Pilots.aspx))? Don't want to pursue a job if there's a potential for the company to say "bye bye" after a year or 2.

AA flying going away also

ChecklistMonkey
04-29-2019, 08:06 AM
Does Hulas just talk to everyone about his game plan and how he's feeling or what

FlyKat THINKS he is in the know on all sorts of things that never pan out.

FlytheSky
04-29-2019, 02:46 PM
AA flying going away also

That's been said since before the AA birds came to Compass property, and they haven't left yet. Not saying that they won't, but it's a bit of "the boy who cried wolf" at this point for that argument.

Excargodog
04-29-2019, 04:10 PM
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/delta-air-lines-reaches-definitive-agreements-to-sell-mesaba-compass-airline-subsidiaries-97574264.html

VIRotate
04-29-2019, 06:46 PM
AA flying going away also

So is our Southwest flying...wait.

NotMe
04-30-2019, 07:10 AM
Since weíre all speculating here, I have some ideas. Since DG (EDV CEO and DCI SVP) made his little announcement to EDV that they had finalized their plans to consolidate to three carriers, Iíve been thinking. We all know that this next wave of consolidation happens with the demise of TSH, so:

UA (under the guise of a ManaAir like entity) buys TSH. CP is sold off to DL. CP trades the AA flying to RP for their DL flying.

This gets DL down to 3 DCI carriers, and preserves the awesomeness that is CP.

Come on, itís not as unlikely as the CRJ550!

flyboy94
04-30-2019, 07:15 AM
Since weíre all speculating here, I have some ideas. Since DG (EDV CEO and DCI SVP) made his little announcement to EDV that they had finalized their plans to consolidate to three carriers, Iíve been thinking. We all know that this next wave of consolidation happens with the demise of TSH, so:

UA (under the guise of a ManaAir like entity) buys TSH. CP is sold off to DL. CP trades the AA flying to RP for their DL flying.

This gets DL down to 3 DCI carriers, and preserves the awesomeness that is CP.

Come on, itís not as unlikely as the CRJ550!

Anything that allows me to keep my job I'll be happy with especially if it means not breaking up CPZ. I mean CPZ by far has the best pilot group, nobody ever says bad things about how horrible so and so was to fly with. I've been hear a year and some change and I've never at the end of a trip said "I don't want to fly with that person again". It is an awesome place to work and I do not want to see it go.

amcnd
04-30-2019, 07:52 AM
Compass is a awesome place, good west coast flying. Good equipment, fast progression... There main downfall is not owning any of there aircraft... That in the end will be the downfall.. TSA holdings Sister company's own some, if not all of thereís... ( as seen with the GoJet DL owned 700ís issue going on right now, and TSA losing the AA Envoy owned 145ís...). You donít need to look far to realize Compass future just look at the happenings at your sister companyís

Excargodog
04-30-2019, 08:01 AM
You donít need to look far to realize Compass future just look at the happenings at your sister companyís

:rolleyes:

Filler

Excargodog
04-30-2019, 09:04 AM
From the Air Wisconsin thread. It applies just as much to Compass, and every other regional:

The regional industry changes more now in six months than it used to in 6 years.

Speculating on the future of Air Wisconsin beyond the end of our current agreement with United is a foolís errand.

Remember when GoJet was dead because the Delta flying was going away and Expressjet got new 175ís, meaning that there wasnít scope for the -700 flying GoJet had?

Remember when Expressjet was dead because they were being slowly strangled by Skywest and there was no way they were ever getting new aircraft?

Both of those things were true within the last 6 months.

ESQ702
04-30-2019, 09:07 AM
I guess Joseph Smith told management that they don't need staffing because American Jesus told him so.

LOL...what is this?

NotMe
04-30-2019, 09:07 AM
From the Air Wisconsin thread. It applies just as much to Compass, and every other regional:



Oh yeah! Thatís what makes all this speculation so much fun - everything is on the table. There is no scenario you can think of that is beyond the realm of possibility!

BobbyLeeSwagger
04-30-2019, 09:20 AM
Oh yeah! Thatís what makes all this speculation so much fun - everything is on the table. There is no scenario you can think of that is beyond the realm of possibility!

Republic buys Compass, but makes us all flight attendants with a DGI. Delta announces new "cabin to cockpit" program allowing DC carrier flight attendants with a pilots license a definined flow-based pathway to Delta.. Former compass pilots are forced to wait it out or quit and risk losing out on the flow to Delta

Excargodog
04-30-2019, 10:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by savedbythevnav View Post
I guess Joseph Smith told management that they don't need staffing because American Jesus told him so.
LOL...what is this?

LOL...what is this?

Overshoot from the Skywest forum...?

That would be my guess anyway.
:rolleyes:

ESQ702
04-30-2019, 12:22 PM
Overshoot from the Skywest forum...?

That would be my guess anyway.
:rolleyes:

Your guess is as good as mine...

ninerdriver
04-30-2019, 01:01 PM
Republic buys Compass, but makes us all flight attendants with a DGI. Delta announces new "cabin to cockpit" program allowing DC carrier flight attendants with a pilots license a definined flow-based pathway to Delta.. Former compass pilots are forced to wait it out or quit and risk losing out on the flow to Delta

So basically, you just described Propel. :D

blackdenton
04-30-2019, 03:41 PM
So basically, you just described Propel. :D

Careful if you say propel 3 times it summons GP.

GuardPolice
04-30-2019, 03:46 PM
Careful if you say propel 3 times it summons GP.


You rang? [emoji2957]


GP

blackdenton
04-30-2019, 04:30 PM
You rang? [emoji2957]


GP

Haha it totally works!

Meow1215
04-30-2019, 06:01 PM
Haha it totally works!

That was a good one!

I predict the Delta flying doesnít change for CP in 2019 and I wouldnít be shocked if it didnít change in 2020 either.

MuPpET
05-01-2019, 10:18 AM
This just in per the email! Compass will cease to exist at some point in the future. We need to find Michael J Fox and send him back to the Future to prevent Delta selling us to hulas

C37AFE
05-01-2019, 11:09 AM
Since weíre all speculating here, I have some ideas. Since DG (EDV CEO and DCI SVP) made his little announcement to EDV that they had finalized their plans to consolidate to three carriers, Iíve been thinking. We all know that this next wave of consolidation happens with the demise of TSH, so:

UA (under the guise of a ManaAir like entity) buys TSH. CP is sold off to DL. CP trades the AA flying to RP for their DL flying.

This gets DL down to 3 DCI carriers, and preserves the awesomeness that is CP.

Come on, itís not as unlikely as the CRJ550!

Except the 3 carriers are endeavor Skywest and republic

ninerdriver
05-01-2019, 11:18 AM
Except the 3 carriers are endeavor Skywest and republic

FWIW, the only carrier that Ed said was going away in that video was GoJet. He didn't say which other regional was on its way out.

BB is more interested in his flight school than his airline, so who knows?

NotMe
05-01-2019, 11:22 AM
Except the 3 carriers are endeavor Skywest and republic



This absolutely makes the most sense, but what other scenarios are there? I canít think that DL likes being in bed with UA and AA on the whole YX thing. If they could get their LGA gates and run, I believe they would do it in a heartbeat.

Although I still want to see YX and CP merged so they can use the Brick-a$$ callsign!

ninerdriver
05-01-2019, 11:26 AM
This absolutely makes the most sense, but what other scenarios are there? I canít think that DL likes being in bed with UA and AA on the whole YX thing. If they could get their LGA gates and run, I believe they would do it in a heartbeat.

Although I still want to see YX and CP merged so they can use the Brick-a$$ callsign!

I'm still not counting out Compass yet. Delta is too savvy to let SkyWest have everything west of the Mississippi to themselves.

amcnd
05-01-2019, 11:39 AM
I'm still not counting out Compass yet. Delta is too savvy to let SkyWest have everything west of the Mississippi to themselves.

Apparently the latest video mentioned going back to not spreading out there regionals. Its causing downline delays... getting each carrier focused on one region for better completion, on-time and spare utilization..

MuPpET
05-01-2019, 12:09 PM
meh, compass is cheap and their performance numbers are on the rise. if Delta wants to spend the money to shift the flying around then they can do it, if they don't, then they won't.

flyboy94
05-02-2019, 09:24 AM
Anyone listen in on the all employee meeting today and have any juices information to share?

DiamondDriver
05-02-2019, 03:39 PM
Anyone listen in on the all employee meeting today and have any juices information to share?

Not much today. The not so juicy rundown is below...

- Good performance. Best in 13 months.
- OJI Injuries are the metric that is rough right now. Something about a mechanic trying to stop a runaway tire.
- AA route map makes mx much easier
- DL route map involves trips where planes don't touch mx base for 6-7 days. Compass made a chart showing this compared to other DCI carriers and is bringing it to DL next week for a DCI meeting in ATL....I believe.
- Alot of people were away today and not too many bad metrics so not too much to go over.
- FAs have alot of classes starting up this month


I left after about 30min. I believe they were opening it up the questions.

I think the person who goes over the new cities served was away so that part (my personal favorite) was missing.

Taco280AI
05-02-2019, 04:21 PM
We're not losing Delta, we are Delta!


(rumor of us going into the 220 was wrong, we'll have to slum it in the 320)

poorflyer
05-02-2019, 05:19 PM
We're not losing Delta, we are Delta!


(rumor of us going into the 220 was wrong, we'll have to slum it in the 320)

What is dead may never die.

VIRotate
05-03-2019, 12:15 AM
We're not losing Delta, we are Delta!


(rumor of us going into the 220 was wrong, we'll have to slum it in the 320)

Come on now, we are flowing into the 321. Still has the new car smell!

ShooterMcGavin
05-03-2019, 04:50 AM
Quickest way for us to lose our DL contract is to start canceling flights for FAs. We all need to pitch in and get them a Costco size package of Emergen-C.

TillerThriller
05-03-2019, 07:42 AM
What is dead may never die.

And now my watch (job hunt) has ended.

FlytheSky
05-03-2019, 09:49 PM
We're not losing Delta, we are Delta!


(rumor of us going into the 220 was wrong, we'll have to slum it in the 320)

Going from the Jungle Bus to the Baby Bus. I guess Delta got their way on scope in the pilot contract that's under negotiations! :eek:

You heard it here first! :D

VIRotate
05-03-2019, 10:32 PM
Going from the Jungle Bus to the Baby Bus. I guess Delta got their way on scope in the pilot contract that's under negotiations! :eek:

You heard it here first! :D

Inb4 a OO or 9E guy takes this seriously. :D

ninerdriver
05-04-2019, 11:20 AM
Inb4 a OO or 9E guy takes this seriously. :D

I am shocked and outraged.

*pffffft* Okay, couldn't keep a straight face there.

FlyingKat
05-04-2019, 11:55 AM
Going from the Jungle Bus to the Baby Bus. I guess Delta got their way on scope in the pilot contract that's under negotiations!

You heard it here first!

Yep and I hear United mainline is going to merge TSA on their list so they can trade the 145XRs for MRJs!!!!

Everybody at TSH to mainline carriers except Blowjetzz because everyone hates them anyway :p:p:p

VIRotate
05-04-2019, 08:24 PM
I am shocked and outraged.

*pffffft* Okay, couldn't keep a straight face there.

Oh you know youíre an exception. Honorary CPZ pilot remember?

ninerdriver
05-05-2019, 02:57 AM
Oh you know youíre an exception. Honorary CPZ pilot remember?

I'm totally not shocked and outraged. :D