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fly5280
01-09-2019, 05:52 PM
Hello all,

Pretty new here.

Shortly after getting my PPL I had a rudder cable system fail on short short final on a crosswind landing. I did everything in my power to correct it. I was able to get the plane down, but slid to the side off the runway. The airplane sustained damage. It was called an accident because there was too much damage. The NTSB report came out and states it was caused by a rudder cable failure. I was also was not exceeding the crosswind limit of the aircraft. I was not injured at all. The FAA didn't have me do anything. Should I give up on a flying career? I see some job posting saying "no accidents or incidents." What do they mean? Do they mean crashes in bigger airplanes? If I remain clean will a 121 carrier hire me? I have not failed any checkrides. Any thoughts? I feel it's made me a better pilot. I'm still pretty young(26) Currently working on my IFR. Thanks


TKOwnedU5
01-09-2019, 06:04 PM
Iíd say if you can prove it during an interview and as long as your honest and up front you shouldnít have any problem getting hired. Donít give up!!


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Ohlsan
01-09-2019, 06:07 PM
Donít give up, keep a copy of the report, in case there is ever a question during an interview.


TKOwnedU5
01-09-2019, 06:13 PM
Donít give up, keep a copy of the report, in case there is ever a question during an interview.



This ^^


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Gordie H
01-09-2019, 07:32 PM
Wow, Iíve never heard of that happening on a light single. Glad you were ok.

Honestly, if the rudder cable snapped as you say and you were able to safely get it on the ground (albeit with some damage), well done. During an interview, this would be a POSITIVE story you would tell....I.e critical flight control fails, you maintain aircraft control and land without a catastrophic outcome, etc.

From what youíve written, I canít see how this would negatively affect your future at all. Best of luck!

viper548
01-09-2019, 07:33 PM
You performed a successful emergency landing after a flight control malfunction inflight. Yes you have to mark they yes box on the accident/incident question but Sully would have to also. This will make a good story to tell at an interview.

JohnBurke
01-09-2019, 08:33 PM
That's not a black mark on your record. It's a selling point in an interview.

You faced an inflight problem and addressed it.

Use it to your advantage.

Excargodog
01-09-2019, 09:17 PM
That's not a black mark on your record. It's a selling point in an interview.

You faced an inflight problem and addressed it.

Use it to your advantage.

That^^^^

Definitely.

zondaracer
01-09-2019, 09:23 PM
Me friend had a throttle cable disconnect in flight. The power was stuck at idle and crash landed short of the field. The plane was totaled but he and his student survived. He still got hired and it was a great story to tell at the interview.

siuaviation
01-09-2019, 09:40 PM
Hello all,

Pretty new here.

Shortly after getting my PPL I had a rudder cable system fail on short short final on a crosswind landing. I did everything in my power to correct it. I was able to get the plane down, but slid to the side off the runway. The airplane sustained damage. It was called an accident because there was too much damage. The NTSB report came out and states it was caused by a rudder cable failure. I was also was not exceeding the crosswind limit of the aircraft. I was not injured at all. The FAA didn't have me do anything. Should I give up on a flying career? I see some job posting saying "no accidents or incidents."
What do they mean? Do they mean crashes in bigger airplanes? If I remain clean will a 121 carrier hire me? I have not failed any checkrides. Any thoughts? I feel it's made me a better pilot. I'm still pretty young(26) Currently working on my IFR. Thanks

This definitely wonít be an issue. I had my accident before I went to the regionals, disclosed it on the application, brought a copy of the accident report to the interview and it was a huge ďsellingĒ point. My accident report: https://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=20060322X00327

Soxfan1
01-09-2019, 09:55 PM
This definitely wonít be an issue. I had my accident before I went to the regionals, disclosed it on the application, brought a copy of the accident report to the interview and it was a huge ďsellingĒ point. My accident report: https://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=20060322X00327

Probable Cause: An INFLIGHT collision with a deer.

Now thatís something you donít see every day.

Will done sir, well done. Glad you were ok.

rickair7777
01-10-2019, 06:54 AM
Everyone else had provided the good news, and I agree.

The bad news...

You will have to check the "accident" box on the online applications for the majors. This may cause your app to be scored lower by the computer. Once your score is high enough to trigger a human review, common sense will apply and you'll be fine. The online apps provide a short text block for an explanation... I would briefly summarize and include the number of the NTSB report.

So you might experience a delay getting called for a major interview. But as others have said the story should be a net positive at the interview.

JohnBurke
01-10-2019, 02:56 PM
That is correct: it's a positive thing in an interview, but you've got to get there, first.

Excargodog
01-10-2019, 04:59 PM
Probable Cause: An INFLIGHT collision with a deer.

Now thatís something you donít see every day.

Will done sir, well done. Glad you were ok.

You are obviously senior enough you donít have to fly on Christmas Eve.
:rolleyes:

Soxfan1
01-10-2019, 07:32 PM
You are obviously senior enough you donít have to fly on Christmas Eve.
:rolleyes:

I see what you did there. Well played.

Soxfan1
01-10-2019, 07:33 PM
Everyone else had provided the good news, and I agree.

The bad news...

You will have to check the "accident" box on the online applications for the majors. This may cause your app to be scored lower by the computer. Once your score is high enough to trigger a human review, common sense will apply and you'll be fine. The online apps provide a short text block for an explanation... I would briefly summarize and include the number of the NTSB report.

So you might experience a delay getting called for a major interview. But as others have said the story should be a net positive at the interview.

Valid point.

Pilatus801
01-18-2019, 12:55 PM
I just took an instrument checkride a few months ago. My DPE has been an airline pilot for 20+ years. He told me when he was PPL, he had a crash landing due to full exhaustion of fuel. He put the plane down in a field and was not injured.

If he can go on and have a bright and successful airline pilot career and be a DPE, i would think you are just fine.

TiredSoul
01-18-2019, 02:19 PM
This definitely wonít be an issue. I had my accident before I went to the regionals, disclosed it on the application, brought a copy of the accident report to the interview and it was a huge ďsellingĒ point. My accident report: https://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=20060322X00327

This ^^^.......
Acquaintance went into the trees with a banner tow pickup. Crawled out soaked in fuel.
Flies for a major now.

KC135
01-18-2019, 02:21 PM
Everyone else had provided the good news, and I agree.

The bad news...

You will have to check the "accident" box on the online applications for the majors. This may cause your app to be scored lower by the computer. Once your score is high enough to trigger a human review, common sense will apply and you'll be fine. The online apps provide a short text block for an explanation... I would briefly summarize and include the number of the NTSB report.

So you might experience a delay getting called for a major interview. But as others have said the story should be a net positive at the interview.

This. It's an unfair system but this is reality. I'm not saying you won't ever get a major interview but it's just easier for HR to pull from one of the 10k apps on file without that box checked. Are you okay with the possibility of finishing out your career at a regional? Making low six figures and eventually getting 18 days off at a regional would still beat 95% of other non flying jobs out there in my opinion. That's the worst you could plan for and hopefully be pleasantly surprised with a lot more. Also, I would recommend a regional with flow so you don't have to stress about getting a mainline interview.

Excargodog
01-18-2019, 02:30 PM
This. It's an unfair system but this is reality. I'm not saying you won't ever get a major interview but it's just easier for HR to pull from one of the 10k apps on file without that box checked. Are you okay with the possibility of finishing out your career at a regional? Making low six figures and eventually getting 18 days off at a regional would still beat 95% of other non flying jobs out there in my opinion. That's the worst you could plan for and hopefully be pleasantly surprised with a lot more. Also, I would recommend a regional with flow so you don't have to stress about getting a mainline interview.


I think this would have been EXCELLENT advice, even five years ago. But the times, as Bob Dylan once said, they are a changing.

It won't be long before not even the legacies will be able to computer sort apps without having a human look at them. Just too many retirements and too few in the applicant pool. And yes, I know, the big six are all going to have six times the applicants they will truly need to fill their vacancies. Problem is that each of those applicants is going to have six apps out too - one to each of the big six.

a330er
04-14-2019, 02:02 PM
Hello all,

Pretty new here.

Shortly after getting my PPL I had a rudder cable system fail on short short final on a crosswind landing. I did everything in my power to correct it. I was able to get the plane down, but slid to the side off the runway. The airplane sustained damage. It was called an accident because there was too much damage. The NTSB report came out and states it was caused by a rudder cable failure. I was also was not exceeding the crosswind limit of the aircraft. I was not injured at all. The FAA didn't have me do anything. Should I give up on a flying career? I see some job posting saying "no accidents or incidents." What do they mean? Do they mean crashes in bigger airplanes? If I remain clean will a 121 carrier hire me? I have not failed any checkrides. Any thoughts? I feel it's made me a better pilot. I'm still pretty young(26) Currently working on my IFR. Thanks
Glad you're ok, good job, now you have one of the interview questions nailed! Its a plus not a negative.

BeechPilot33
04-14-2019, 02:29 PM
Itís a positive you need a good story to tell. Your not a good pilot unless you have had a few close calls and made it out okay. Remember it was because of your skill that you are still here today.

Packrat
04-14-2019, 03:11 PM
I just hired as a direct entry Captain a guy who had a accident due to an undetectable flight control failure. As others have said, its a GREAT story for your interview.



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