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dudewannabe
01-15-2019, 05:19 PM
Hi Fellas,

Just a quick question to anyone who might be in the know. I want to jumpseat to Asia, specifically Hong Kong, with a small dog. My company doesnt allow this. Do you guys have any policy against such practice? Assuming all paperwork and requirements are met to import a pet to said country.

A few passenger airilnes do allow them in the cabin but my little guy is just 1 inch too tall and will not fit under the seat per the airline's criteria. Not sure if they'll be sticklers over this but looking around for Plan B just in case.


Thanks!


PotatoChip
01-15-2019, 06:04 PM
Hi Fellas,

Just a quick question to anyone who might be in the know. I want to jumpseat to Asia, specifically Hong Kong, with a small dog. My company doesnt allow this. Do you guys have any policy against such practice? Assuming all paperwork and requirements are met to import a pet to said country.

A few passenger airilnes do allow them in the cabin but my little guy is just 1 inch too tall and will not fit under the seat per the airline's criteria. Not sure if they'll be sticklers over this but looking around for Plan B just in case.


Thanks!

FWIW, I've never seen an airline measure a dog. And secondly, if they do, just push dog down a bit...

dudewannabe
01-15-2019, 06:21 PM
FWIW, I've never seen an airline measure a dog. And secondly, if they do, just push dog down a bit...

Well they might measure the carrier and if he stands up and his head touches they might deny.

but I hope you are right.


wrxpilot
01-15-2019, 07:43 PM
We had to do this with our dogs, and used Cathay. The dogs unfortunately have to go in cargo (HKG requirement), but Cathay was easy to deal with and treated them well.

howardhughes8
01-15-2019, 09:14 PM
Hi Fellas,

Just a quick question to anyone who might be in the know. I want to jumpseat to Asia, specifically Hong Kong, with a small dog. My company doesnt allow this. Do you guys have any policy against such practice? Assuming all paperwork and requirements are met to import a pet to said country.

A few passenger airilnes do allow them in the cabin but my little guy is just 1 inch too tall and will not fit under the seat per the airline's criteria. Not sure if they'll be sticklers over this but looking around for Plan B just in case.


Thanks!

First of all, you do know that JS is a privilege, not a right? I would think that anyone with common sense would abstain from complicating things and pushing the issue, and “abuse” the use of the JS. Sometimes you gotta wonder 🤦 what this world has come to.

tengssuuciurta
01-15-2019, 09:40 PM
Are you really asking if you can bring a pet on an international cargo jumpseat?

Albief15
01-15-2019, 09:45 PM
As a guy who brought an Aussie puppy over back in April, I understand your desire to keep the pet with you and make it work. I don't think a jumpseat is a viable answer, and the potential legal disaster for the crew and airline when you get to Hong Kong would damage j/s arrangements for years to come. The dogs have to clear customs and go through the proper channels.

I used Cathay. The dog will NOT go to baggage claim, but will go to customs near the cargo ramp where they process animals. In my case, despite having been vaccinated for rabies and microchipped, the customs vet or vet tech gave the dog ANOTHER shot and another microchip? Why? Dude--its China. They do whatever they want... Dog was no worse for wear, however, and after leaving a deposit to register his complaint about the indignity we loaded up and went home uneventfully.

Its not a cheap process, but I got the vibe Cathay does this all the time and they seem good at what they do. Good luck with your move.

Elevation
01-16-2019, 02:14 AM
Definitely don't try to jumpseat with your dog. Even if you list and show with paperwork, it makes enough extra consdieration for a person like me to say no.

It would stink to show at some cargoport to jumpseat with your pet just to wind up at the bottom of the air-stairs without a ride. I just turned 40 myself, so maybe my latent laziness is turning me into a curmudgeon.

dudewannabe
01-16-2019, 09:21 AM
First of all, you do know that JS is a privilege, not a right? I would think that anyone with common sense would abstain from complicating things and pushing the issue, and “abuse” the use of the JS. Sometimes you gotta wonder 🤦 what this world has come to.

Where did I say it was a right? Understanding that it is absolutely not a right is exactly why I posted the question. English comprehension isn't your forte now is it?

Thanks to everyone else for chiming in.

howardhughes8
01-16-2019, 09:25 AM
Where did I say it was a right? Understanding that it is absolutely not a right is exactly why I posted the question. English comprehension isn't your forte now is it?



Thanks to everyone else for chiming in.



Well, only someone with no sense of etiquete and professionalism would even consider taking an animal along on a jumpseat [emoji1751][emoji1751]

JohnBurke
01-16-2019, 09:50 AM
Where did I say it was a right? Understanding that it is absolutely not a right is exactly why I posted the question. English comprehension isn't your forte now is it?

Thanks to everyone else for chiming in.

You're now engaged in biting the hand that feeds you. ****ing on those who respond to your thread may not be your best choice.

dudewannabe
01-16-2019, 12:02 PM
Well, only someone with no sense of etiquete and professionalism would even consider taking an animal along on a jumpseat [emoji1751][emoji1751]

Or someone with absolute sense of etiquette would ask first. I have seen and taken jumpseaters of various airlines in the past that carried a dog.

Not sure why this is so foreign to you?

Again, you have nothing to contribute to this thread. Please go away troll.

dudewannabe
01-16-2019, 12:04 PM
You're now engaged in biting the hand that feeds you. ****ing on those who respond to your thread may not be your best choice.

I specifically asked Southern, Atlas or Kallita guys. Not guys from Southwest, United or American.

Unless you fly for those carriers and can give real inputs, please don't respond.

Globemaster2827
01-16-2019, 12:07 PM
I specifically asked Southern, Atlas or Kallita guys. Not guys from Southwest, United or American.

Unless you fly for those carriers and can give real inputs, please don't respond.

I was a Captain there and I'd have told you no. Sorry. I've never heard of anyone jumpseating with their dog and it'd greatly complicate things for the Captain if every i isn't dotted and t crossed. I can't imagine someone else saying yes.

Locke
01-16-2019, 12:15 PM
I specifically asked Southern, Atlas or Kallita guys. Not guys from Southwest, United or American.

Unless you fly for those carriers and can give real inputs, please don't respond.

Ok, I’ll bite. As a captain at one of those airlines I would say you’re crazy, and turn you away. There’s too many hoops to jump through when taking animals overseas. Either ship the dog (with all the associated paperwork) and you jump seat. Or both of you go commercial.

scrupulous
01-16-2019, 12:42 PM
I was a Captain there and I'd have told you no. Sorry. I've never heard of anyone jumpseating with their dog and it'd greatly complicate things for the Captain if every i isn't dotted and t crossed. I can't imagine someone else saying yes.


While I have disagreed with Globemaster2827 on many things, he is right.

It adds so much to the captain's responsibility that it is most likely not going to happen.

JackStraw
01-16-2019, 01:00 PM
Is it your ex-wife Cynthia’s dog?

“First of all, Dude, you don't have an ex. Secondly, it's a ****ing show dog with ****ing papers. You can't board it. It gets upset. Its hair falls out. ****ing dog has ****ing papers — OVER THE LINE!”

Walter , is that you?

JohnBurke
01-16-2019, 01:08 PM
Again, you have nothing to contribute to this thread. Please go away troll.

You just keep ****ing on the masses, don't you?

Hogcapt
01-16-2019, 01:43 PM
Hi Fellas,

Just a quick question to anyone who might be in the know. I want to jumpseat to Asia, specifically Hong Kong, with a small dog. My company doesnt allow this. Do you guys have any policy against such practice? Assuming all paperwork and requirements are met to import a pet to said country.

A few passenger airilnes do allow them in the cabin but my little guy is just 1 inch too tall and will not fit under the seat per the airline's criteria. Not sure if they'll be sticklers over this but looking around for Plan B just in case.


Thanks!

I wouldn't turn you away. Can't say I see anywhere the FOM prohibits it. Not sure where people think it's the Captains responsibility what a jumpseatet does or does not bring into a country. That's on you.

No Land 3
01-16-2019, 01:49 PM
I seem to recall we had a FA (very brief time) that would bring her dog with her to work at Mesa. Or maybe I have early onset Alzheimer's.

dudewannabe
01-16-2019, 02:16 PM
I wouldn't turn you away. Can't say I see anywhere the FOM prohibits it. Not sure where people think it's the Captains responsibility what a jumpseatet does or does not bring into a country. That's on you.

So I go buy a ticket on United. Pay the fee to bring the dog. What's the problem? These guys seem to think just because you are jumpseating this whole deal is illegal for some reason.

What's the difference legality wise between whether you JS with a pet or a paying passenger with a pet?

Not talking about anything else besides the legal aspect. Feel free to troll some more if that's your thing. (not you HogCapt)

Birdsmash
01-16-2019, 02:26 PM
Because any scheduled pax carrier has procedures to ensure all of the destination countriy’s requirements have been met. Atlas, Southern, K4, FDX and UPS do not for pets. Those airlines would have no problem if the pet was shipped through a known shipper that complied with all of the entry procedures. What you are asking is for one of those airlines to take on that extra responsibility themselves.

DC8DRIVER
01-16-2019, 02:34 PM
I wouldn't turn you away. Can't say I see anywhere the FOM prohibits it. Not sure where people think it's the Captains responsibility what a jumpseatet does or does not bring into a country. That's on you.

The last thing I want after a 16 hour flight across the pond is to have the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department in Hong Kong meet my plane and place us all in quarantine because your dog rode on the upper deck with the crew.

Maybe some captains will go with "it's not prohibited in the book" and allow you to take whatever you want.

I think most captains fall into the "it's not allowed in the book" crowd and prohibit animals on their plane.

Do you know anything about how importing a pet into HK works?
Do you know what paperwork in required to be signed by the captain? Who would provide that and who would verify that it is correct?
Do you know pets must enter as air cargo at the international airports in Hong Kong? Do you know what this entails regarding where the pet may ride on a cargo plane?
Do you know who needs to be notified in HK and how much advanced notice is required?
Do you know the age and breed restrictions for importing pats into HK?

I just looked these things up and I can tell you that any one of them is a red flag for me as a captain and would be you would be denied a ride immediately.

Asking a captain to do anything this extraordinary is unprofessional. You either haven't been in the industry very long or you have a warped sense of entitlement that would lead you to even bring up such a question. Jumpseat etiquette has always had a very narrow window of acceptable qualifications and behaviors. It is a privilege that comes with responsibilities about which you should become informed. Asking a captain or even another airline to do something as out-of-the-ordinary as importing a pet into a foreign country is so far out of bounds that I have to wonder what experience in your career ever made you think that this was a good idea in the first place.

dudewannabe
01-16-2019, 03:38 PM
The last thing I want after a 16 hour flight across the pond is to have the Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department in Hong Kong meet my plane and place us all in quarantine because your dog rode on the upper deck with the crew.

Maybe some captains will go with "it's not prohibited in the book" and allow you to take whatever you want.

I think most captains fall into the "it's not allowed in the book" crowd and prohibit animals on their plane.

Do you know anything about how importing a pet into HK works?
Do you know what paperwork in required to be signed by the captain? Who would provide that and who would verify that it is correct?
Do you know pets must enter as air cargo at the international airports in Hong Kong? Do you know what this entails regarding where the pet may ride on a cargo plane?
Do you know who needs to be notified in HK and how much advanced notice is required?
Do you know the age and breed restrictions for importing pats into HK?

I just looked these things up and I can tell you that any one of them is a red flag for me as a captain and would be you would be denied a ride immediately.

Asking a captain to do anything this extraordinary is unprofessional. You either haven't been in the industry very long or you have a warped sense of entitlement that would lead you to even bring up such a question. Jumpseat etiquette has always had a very narrow window of acceptable qualifications and behaviors. It is a privilege that comes with responsibilities about which you should become informed. Asking a captain or even another airline to do something as out-of-the-ordinary as importing a pet into a foreign country is so far out of bounds that I have to wonder what experience in your career ever made you think that this was a good idea in the first place.

Thanks for the reply. That's why the question was asked.

Elevation
01-16-2019, 03:52 PM
I love dogs. Even though I'm in the "not on my plane" camp, I'd be interested to hear how you're gonna get your dog to Hong Kong. Leaving and losing dogs is as bad as leaving/losing family members. I get why you'd be searching for options.

Good luck!

wrxpilot
01-16-2019, 05:32 PM
I love dogs. Even though I'm in the "not on my plane" camp, I'd be interested to hear how you're gonna get your dog to Hong Kong. Leaving and losing dogs is as bad as leaving/losing family members. I get why you'd be searching for options.

Good luck!

Many of us in the FDX HKG base have shipped animals via the passenger airlines. Most use Cathay, as they seem to do a great job and make the process fairly straightforward.

howardhughes8
01-16-2019, 05:37 PM
Or someone with absolute sense of etiquette would ask first. I have seen and taken jumpseaters of various airlines in the past that carried a dog.



Not sure why this is so foreign to you?



Again, you have nothing to contribute to this thread. Please go away troll.



Who is the troll now when the consensus is go pound sand? Again, common sense is lacking here. No wonder you can’t get hired at a Legacy or Fedex/UPS, can’t imagine your interview answers if you think bringing a dog on a jumpseat is OK [emoji15]

No Land 3
01-16-2019, 05:59 PM
Fault him if he showed up with a dog, not for asking a question!

freighthound
01-16-2019, 06:33 PM
Fault him if he showed up with a dog, not for asking a question!

Well said.

atpcliff
01-16-2019, 07:53 PM
At Atlas, the only dogs we carry are gov't working dogs. We also take a LOT of animals...all as cargo.
Never heard of a JS w/ a pet. I would call my Operations, and I'm guessing they would say no.

dudewannabe
01-16-2019, 09:58 PM
No wonder you can’t get hired at a Legacy or Fedex/UPS [emoji15]


Nobody can be like you, dude!
I guess that makes you the man? Go you!!!

LOL

dudewannabe
01-16-2019, 10:34 PM
Many of us in the FDX HKG base have shipped animals via the passenger airlines. Most use Cathay, as they seem to do a great job and make the process fairly straightforward.

Thanks, that's comforting info. I flew for CX 15 or so years ago. I remember having live animals on board in the belly and paid close attention to the temps down there. One of my worst fear is the crew neglecting it. I have 2 pets. One is 10 pounds she can go in the cabin, (Asiana and Korean both allow). But the boy is just a tad heavy at 17lbs...still might be possible but we might have to go the long way via Europe for him to ride in the cabin. The European carriers are much more liberal about this than the Asian ones.

maxjet
01-17-2019, 02:31 AM
Thanks, that's comforting info. I flew for CX 15 or so years ago. I remember having live animals on board in the belly and paid close attention to the temps down there. One of my worst fear is the crew neglecting it. I have 2 pets. One is 10 pounds she can go in the cabin, (Asiana and Korean both allow). But the boy is just a tad heavy at 17lbs...still might be possible but we might have to go the long way via Europe for him to ride in the cabin. The European carriers are much more liberal about this than the Asian ones.

Claim it as your emotional support animal. K4 hasn’t stated any restrictions as to emotional support animals yet. Sooooo, if there is no rule against it then it must be ok! Welcome aboard.

WhaleWrangler
01-17-2019, 04:46 AM
So I go buy a ticket on United. Pay the fee to bring the dog. What's the problem? These guys seem to think just because you are jumpseating this whole deal is illegal for some reason.

What's the difference legality wise between whether you JS with a pet or a paying passenger with a pet?

Not talking about anything else besides the legal aspect. Feel free to troll some more if that's your thing. (not you HogCapt)


Certainly don't use United they have a great history of killing dogs or sending them to the wrong side of the planet!!

nitefr8dog
01-17-2019, 05:56 AM
I wouldn't turn you away. Can't say I see anywhere the FOM prohibits it. Not sure where people think it's the Captains responsibility what a jumpseatet does or does not bring into a country. That's on you.
The back side of the Crew Members Declaration says....the Captain of the vessel is responsible....that might be one reason why. I know I have been in the special, you pi$$ed us off room in MIA customs because of certain items brought in by my coworkers. Nothing illegal just undeclared..but I had to answer a lot of questions about items I did not even know were on board.

3pointlanding
01-17-2019, 05:59 AM
My dachshund has made 5 round trips to and from Japan the U.S in the cargo compartment with no problem. But when he got to SFO he really needed to find a bush.



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