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CFIGUY22
01-25-2019, 12:38 PM
For a new hire what would you expect for base, time to hold a line, and equipment out of the gate?


Toonces
01-25-2019, 02:27 PM
New hires are getting a few A320 JFK and mostly 190 JFK or BOS. Expansion is ongoing in FLL so if you get the 320, you could go there within a year or less.
A 320 line in JFK is about a year. A 190 line in JFK or BOS is a little less. I got a line on the 320 in BOS in less than a year, but it was my vacation month so results are skewed. Iíve had a few 190 friends bid over to the 320 at the one year mark.


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nuball5
01-25-2019, 03:38 PM
For a new hire what would you expect for base, time to hold a line, and equipment out of the gate?

Thereís plenty of discussion on this topic.


n606tw
01-25-2019, 03:50 PM
Thereís plenty of discussion on this topic.

The situation is very dynamic so why not starting a new enlightening conversation ... unless you want to share the link of previous posts! thanks

nuball5
01-25-2019, 03:59 PM
The situation is very dynamic so why not starting a new enlightening conversation ... unless you want to share the link of previous posts! thanks

I wouldnít call it very dynamic. New-hires getting the 190 in the two big bases and A320-JFK has been status quo at Jetblue for over a decade. There was a brief period recently where new-hires were getting LGB, but it was very brief.

capt707
01-25-2019, 04:09 PM
If you are a new hire, you want to be on the 190 right now. Most movement and the quickest way to a line

RiddleEagle18
01-25-2019, 05:20 PM
Considering we just announced that we pushed back deliveries on the 320 and the 220 I would say itís gonna start smelling a little stagnant in the next few months.


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Bluedriver
01-25-2019, 05:44 PM
Considering we just announced that we pushed back deliveries on the 320 and the 220 I would say itís gonna start smelling a little stagnant in the next few months.


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Careful, a few other members might complain that there isn't enough "positive" posts.

And yes, they'll still want "positive" posts even after our disgusting profit sharing (profit stealing) announcement.

disenchantMINT
01-25-2019, 06:48 PM
If you are a new hire, you want to be on the 190 right now. Most movement and the quickest way to a line

Not only that but it's the same pay first year. If your ego can handle flying an RJ at the major airline level, that is.

leavemealone
01-26-2019, 10:25 AM
Can someone direct me to an article or post something about the recent aircraft deferrals. I'm in the pool and am just wondering how this will effect my pending start date.

nuball5
01-26-2019, 10:40 AM
Can someone direct me to an article or post something about the recent aircraft deferrals. I'm in the pool and am just wondering how this will effect my pending start date.

Youíll be fine. From 13 A320ís to a minimum of 6 if I recall. Less A220ís in late 2020 when it hits property, which wonít effect your class.

Your name here
01-28-2019, 04:39 AM
https://ibb.co/b2HsLdQ
http://ibb.co/b2HsLdQ

ACTIVE pilots as of the FEB bid award.

The JR LINE holder date reflected is the most junior WITHOUT vacation or training, as they wouldnít normally hold a line.

Mattio
01-28-2019, 07:39 AM
Can someone direct me to an article or post something about the recent aircraft deferrals. I'm in the pool and am just wondering how this will effect my pending start date.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/jetblue-sees-delays-to-a321neos-pushes-out-a220-del-455266/

Mattio
01-28-2019, 07:43 AM
You’ll be fine. From 13 A320’s to a minimum of 6 if I recall. Less A220’s in late 2020 when it hits property, which won’t effect your class.

I'd be surprised if this affected you at all, too. We are training as many new hires as possible right now and for the foreseeable future last I heard. The company also knew they were going to delay these deliveries long before they made the actual announcement. Application window just opened again.. Great time to get on in terms of your initial seniority movement.

leavemealone
01-28-2019, 01:59 PM
I'd be surprised if this affected you at all, too. We are training as many new hires as possible right now and for the foreseeable future last I heard. The company also knew they were going to delay these deliveries long before they made the actual announcement. Application window just opened again.. Great time to get on in terms of your initial seniority movement.

Yea. I know from the guys they interviewed, and the fact the are running two classes a month, its only a matter of time. I'm leaving another "major" to come here so every little hiccup sketches me out. Good to hear!

capt707
01-28-2019, 05:33 PM
I'm leaving another "major" to come here so every little hiccup sketches me out. Good to hear!

Wait, what? Why would you do that?

Bozo the pilot
01-29-2019, 06:27 AM
Can someone direct me to an article or post something about the recent aircraft deferrals. I'm in the pool and am just wondering how this will effect my pending start date.

Theyre playing catchup as usual. You shouldnt be affected until you're on line and realize there's no movement here.

Bluedriver
01-29-2019, 06:51 AM
Theyre playing catchup as usual. You shouldnt be affected ***until you're on line and realize there's no movement here***.

Sounds "stagnant".

😀

Bozo the pilot
01-29-2019, 06:53 AM
Sounds "stagnant".

😀
And remaining that way under current "management"
Hows life BD? Hope you're well.

Bluedriver
01-29-2019, 07:44 AM
And remaining that way under current "management"
Hows life BD? Hope you're well.

Very, very good bud. How's about you?

ParrotBay031
01-29-2019, 03:14 PM
New hires are getting a few A320 JFK and mostly 190 JFK or BOS. Expansion is ongoing in FLL so if you get the 320, you could go there within a year or less.
A 320 line in JFK is about a year. A 190 line in JFK or BOS is a little less. I got a line on the 320 in BOS in less than a year, but it was my vacation month so results are skewed. Iíve had a few 190 friends bid over to the 320 at the one year mark.


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This is not accurate. I can't speak for BOS but for JFK specifically it is 14 months right now on the a320 to get a line and it is only going to get worse.... on the next system bid I expect a bunch of 190 to bid over and it will knock people down and make it even longer...and on the 190 in JFK it is 3-4 months to having a line.

leavemealone
01-30-2019, 03:27 AM
Wait, what? Why would you do that?

Live in base.

n606tw
01-30-2019, 01:37 PM
This is not accurate. I can't speak for BOS but for JFK specifically it is 14 months right now on the a320 to get a line and it is only going to get worse.... on the next system bid I expect a bunch of 190 to bid over and it will knock people down and make it even longer...and on the 190 in JFK it is 3-4 months to having a line.


What about BOS 190 reserve? thanks

Bluedriver
01-30-2019, 01:53 PM
What about BOS 190 reserve? thanks

Yes, we have those.

You're welcome.

n606tw
01-30-2019, 03:08 PM
Yes, we have those.

You're welcome.

Lol ... do they taste good?

Bluedriver
01-30-2019, 03:23 PM
Lol ... do they taste good?

Most are dudes, so I'd say no.

Gordie H
01-30-2019, 03:25 PM
What about BOS 190 reserve? thanks

I would guess similar to JFK - 6 months maybe less?

n606tw
01-30-2019, 03:29 PM
I would guess similar to JFK - 6 months maybe less?

Thanks GH ... better 190 ... for both short reserve and command upgrade ... no red eye ... better QoL ... lets go 190!

n606tw
01-30-2019, 03:30 PM
Most are dudes, so I'd say no.

So you don't like if it taste good! Why?

Bluedriver
01-30-2019, 03:34 PM
So you don't like if it taste good! Why?

Not smart enough to figure that one out.

n606tw
01-30-2019, 03:37 PM
Not smart enough to figure that one out.

Mamma always said not to accept candy from strangers!

rvr1800
01-30-2019, 03:38 PM
Thanks GH ... better 190 ... for both short reserve and command upgrade ... no red eye ... better QoL ... lets go 190!

Having flown both planes, it’s a much harder day at work on the 190.

Bluedriver
01-30-2019, 03:41 PM
Having flown both planes, itís a much harder day at work on the 190.

Yes, but at least it pays way less.

Gordie H
01-30-2019, 03:43 PM
Thanks GH ... better 190 ... for both short reserve and command upgrade ... no red eye ... better QoL ... lets go 190!

I chose the 190 for many of those reasons and haven't been disappointed..but with the 220s coming its hard to say long term how things will play out. Otoh, I hear reserve on the 320 isn't so bad these days (for local folks). So if you're local (and want to minimize training cycles)...maybe something to consider (if you end up having a choice)

n606tw
01-30-2019, 03:53 PM
I chose the 190 for many of those reasons and haven't been disappointed..but with the 220s coming its hard to say long term how things will play out. Otoh, I hear reserve on the 320 isn't so bad these days (for local folks). So if you're local (and want to minimize training cycles)...maybe something to consider (if you end up having a choice)

neo will be JFK and/or BOS? ... Delta is doing KBOS-EINN ... next JB BOS-London! ... more red eyes but Europe is cool!

Bluedriver
01-30-2019, 04:05 PM
neo will be JFK and/or BOS? ... Delta is doing KBOS-EINN ... next JB BOS-London! ... more red eyes but Europe is cool!

Have you been drinking?

n606tw
01-30-2019, 04:11 PM
Have you been drinking?

...just waking up ... all wet!

nuball5
01-30-2019, 05:15 PM
Having flown both planes, itís a much harder day at work on the 190.

Ehh it depends. If you live in base and can work the system a little bit, thereís a ton of soft-time to be had on the 190. Just the nature of the flying it does, with work rules more aligned with the Airbus. I can usually reduce my block each month to around 50-60 hours. Lots of 1 and 2 leg days like the Airbus.

flysooner9
02-04-2019, 06:24 PM
How commutable are the lines on the 190 in JFK? Whatís the average days off?

hilltopflyer
02-04-2019, 06:27 PM
How commutable are the lines on the 190 in JFK? Whatís the average days off?

Depends on where you commute from. But east of Mississippi River it isnít terrible. Guessing 14-15 days off

flysooner9
02-04-2019, 06:30 PM
Depends on where you commute from. But east of Mississippi River it isnít terrible. Guessing 14-15 days off

Earliest I can get to JFK is around noon.

BeatNavy
02-04-2019, 06:30 PM
How commutable are the lines on the 190 in JFK? What’s the average days off?

Pairings have been going through big changes since August and are changing again in March...so it’s hard to say. When I did it I commuted and got rid of my crashpad because I was never in it and I got all commutable stuff. I also had decent seniority fairly quickly, which I think will hold true to people hired today. Can’t vouch for commutability though...no idea what the optimizer will do in the future. Oh and I got 13-19 days off. Usually 16-17, but that could be different now.

Your name here
02-05-2019, 04:44 AM
Earliest I can get to JFK is around noon.

Canít speak for the 190; but If you get the bus, anything that shows In the afternoon has a really high chance of being a redeye.

leavemealone
02-17-2019, 06:29 AM
How long are guys sitting reserve on the Bus in Boston vs 190 in Boston? I know this changes constantly but if given the option I would like to know what I am getting myself into.

RiddleEagle18
02-17-2019, 06:34 AM
How long are guys sitting reserve on the Bus in Boston vs 190 in Boston? I know this changes constantly but if given the option I would like to know what I am getting myself into.



Not only does it change constantly but in the last 3 classes we have hired 90 pilots. Mostly to the 190. The guys hired 4 classes ago will only sit reserve for a month or two. The guys in the most recent class will sit for a lot longer considering there is only like 70 guys on rsv in bos on the 190.

With all that said I talked to a recruiter recently who said they have the go ahead to hire over 400 this year.


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leavemealone
02-17-2019, 06:49 AM
Not only does it change constantly but in the last 3 classes we have hired 90 pilots. Mostly to the 190. The guys hired 4 classes ago will only sit reserve for a month or two. The guys in the most recent class will sit for a lot longer considering there is only like 70 guys on rsv in bos on the 190.

With all that said I talked to a recruiter recently who said they have the go ahead to hire over 400 this year.


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So QOL is better on the 190. With 100? guys needed for 190 reserve, to get off reserve they would have to hire 100 guys underneath me which sounds like it could take up to 4-5 months (if they keep hiring). Since the first year pay is the same I'd rather bid the 190 (sounds like I have little choice) and bid over to the bus at a year for that second year pay.

How do the seat locks work currently?

RiddleEagle18
02-17-2019, 06:57 AM
Until they fix the pay gap between the 190 and the 320, movement on the 190 will continue. If your going for QOL I would go 190. Pay is the same first year anyways.

Seat lock is only 1 year for new hires. So if you donít like the 190 or the QOL you can bid off relatively quickly.


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nuball5
02-17-2019, 08:27 AM
Unless youíre starting class with an Airbus type already, I see almost zero reason to bid the Airbus over the 190 for that first year. Maybe Iím biased being a 190 guy...but I wouldnít touch 320-BOS until you can get about three years seniority here. Unless you like to see your seniority go backwards. JFK is a different story.

Bluedriver
02-17-2019, 08:51 AM
Unless youíre starting class with an Airbus type already, I see almost zero reason to bid the Airbus over the 190 for that first year. Maybe Iím biased being a 190 guy...but I wouldnít touch 320-BOS until you can get about three years seniority here. Unless you like to see your seniority go backwards. JFK is a different story.

It's true, even much higher up the A320 right seat still mostly stagnant or backwards movement for the last several bids.

And very few A320 openings in Boston.

PotatoChip
02-17-2019, 09:48 AM
Unless youíre starting class with an Airbus type already, I see almost zero reason to bid the Airbus over the 190 for that first year. Maybe Iím biased being a 190 guy...but I wouldnít touch 320-BOS until you can get about three years seniority here. Unless you like to see your seniority go backwards. JFK is a different story.

Whatís the difference in JFK? Any reason to bid 320 initially?

hilltopflyer
02-17-2019, 10:27 AM
Whatís the difference in JFK? Any reason to bid 320 initially?

Twice as big of an airbus base. A lot better seniority and move variety of trips so most people can get their full of what they want.

nuball5
02-17-2019, 10:28 AM
Whatís the difference in JFK? Any reason to bid 320 initially?

Well JFK/320 is Jetblueís largest base by a wide margin, so a lot more flying with a large number of commuters is probably one reason. I would venture to guess a lot more people live in base in Boston/NH, but I donít have any data to back that claim up.

If you live close to domicile, donít mind more reserve and also dont mind two long-term training events in two years, then yeah the Airbus is a good option. Itís also ok to admit that you want to fly a bigger airplane with much more desirable overnights...Iím sure thatís the reasoning of most people honestly.

PotatoChip
02-17-2019, 10:41 AM
Well JFK/320 is Jetblueís largest base by a wide margin, so a lot more flying with a large number of commuters is probably one reason. I would venture to guess a lot more people live in base in Boston/NH, but I donít have any data to back that claim up.

If you live close to domicile, donít mind more reserve and also dont mind two long-term training events in two years, then yeah the Airbus is a good option. Itís also ok to admit that you want to fly a bigger airplane with much more desirable overnights...Iím sure thatís the reasoning of most people honestly.

That would honestly be my reason. Iíll happily admit Iíve had enough if northeast turns and NY state layovers.

hilltopflyer
02-17-2019, 10:51 AM
That would honestly be my reason. Iíll happily admit Iíve had enough if northeast turns and NY state layovers.

Same reason I swapped.

flysooner9
02-17-2019, 07:11 PM
How many min days off on reserve?

hilltopflyer
02-17-2019, 07:30 PM
How many min days off on reserve?

12/13 about to be 13/14 able to drop one day each month.

FSUpilot
02-17-2019, 07:31 PM
12/13 about to be 13/14 able to drop one day each month.

It already is 13/14....

hilltopflyer
02-17-2019, 07:33 PM
It already is 13/14....

Ok thanks for correction.

Bluedriver
02-18-2019, 04:45 AM
That would honestly be my reason. Iíll happily admit Iíve had enough if northeast turns and NY state layovers.

You can do 4-leg days on the E190 and never leave the state if NY. Ask me how I know.

Std Deviation
02-18-2019, 05:13 AM
You can do 4-leg days on the E190 and never leave the state if NY. Ask me how I know.

Tim Hortonís coffee, Buffalo wings, dirty water hotdogs.... itís a culinary dream :D

Bluedriver
02-18-2019, 05:46 AM
Tim Hortonís coffee, Buffalo wings, dirty water hotdogs.... itís a culinary dream :D

Oh you've done this also.

Those were the days

tcco94
02-18-2019, 07:24 AM
What's the deal with the annoucement you guys had on your last quarter results? I was unaware deliveries were delayed, so we can expect hiring stagnation sometime later this year? Whatever you guys think, thanks!

Std Deviation
02-18-2019, 08:03 AM
Oh you've done this also.

Those were the days

Have the high blood pressure and 300 cholesterol to prove it!

aldonite7667
02-18-2019, 08:32 AM
What's the deal with the annoucement you guys had on your last quarter results? I was unaware deliveries were delayed, so we can expect hiring stagnation sometime later this year? Whatever you guys think, thanks!

Next announcement is on the 15th.

tcco94
02-18-2019, 11:39 AM
Next announcement is on the 15th.

I said meant "we" as an applicant, not at JB. Thanks for the info.

say again
02-18-2019, 11:46 AM
I said meant "we" as an applicant, not at JB. Thanks for the info.

We still need pilots, but who know what the company wants

BeatNavy
02-18-2019, 11:56 AM
What's the deal with the annoucement you guys had on your last quarter results? I was unaware deliveries were delayed, so we can expect hiring stagnation sometime later this year? Whatever you guys think, thanks!

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/jetblue-sees-delays-to-a321neos-pushes-out-a220-del-455266/

As hyperboy has mentioned, JB is still hiring this year on par with (possibly more than?) recent previous years. There is supposedly a need to hire to cover the new work/vacation rules and to address the staffing shortage that exists, so deferral of a few frames probably won't change much with regards to hiring this year. JB doesn't exactly have the training capacity to stagnate during 2019 and try to play catch up next year, as the number of training events between the 190/320/220 will be pretty high and JB is already approaching max capacity at the training center, so waiting based on these deferrals probably isn't a smart idea. Especially with the alleged CBA staffing increase need and already thin staffing. I'm not exactly sure what the delivery schedule will look like for 2019, 2020, and 2021 (the article mentions some specifics, but it will likely depend on the 321NEO backlog/production issues getting resolved).

Regarding the A220 shift, I don't think that will affect much, as I anticipate an overall 1 for 1 swap with the E190 initially as JB returns the leased E190s (30 of the 60), so no big net gain in pilots over that period will be required for the SNB. Whether or not they decide to keep some/all of the 30 owned E190s is TBD, but won't affect hiring in the short term, as no meaningful A220 deliveries start until 2021, and my bet is the E190 leases go back anyway during that time on a mostly 1 for 1 basis.

Just my guess though, I have no firsthand info.

disenchantMINT
02-18-2019, 12:24 PM
I said meant "we" as an applicant, not at JB. Thanks for the info.

His comment about the 15th was tongue in cheek. If you end up coming here as a last resort, you'll see what he means in pretty short order.

See my username. Good luck to you.

Bluedriver
02-18-2019, 12:46 PM
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/jetblue-sees-delays-to-a321neos-pushes-out-a220-del-455266/

As hyperboy has mentioned, JB is still hiring this year on par with (possibly more than?) recent previous years. There is supposedly a need to hire to cover the new work/vacation rules and to address the staffing shortage that exists, so deferral of a few frames probably won't change much with regards to hiring this year. JB doesn't exactly have the training capacity to stagnate during 2019 and try to play catch up next year, as the number of training events between the 190/320/220 will be pretty high and JB is already approaching max capacity at the training center, so waiting based on these deferrals probably isn't a smart idea. Especially with the alleged CBA staffing increase need and already thin staffing. I'm not exactly sure what the delivery schedule will look like for 2019, 2020, and 2021 (the article mentions some specifics, but it will likely depend on the 321NEO backlog/production issues getting resolved).

Regarding the A220 shift, I don't think that will affect much, as I anticipate an overall 1 for 1 swap with the E190 initially as JB returns the leased E190s (30 of the 60), so no big net gain in pilots over that period will be required for the SNB. Whether or not they decide to keep some/all of the 30 owned E190s is TBD, but won't affect hiring in the short term, as no meaningful A220 deliveries start until 2021, and my bet is the E190 leases go back anyway during that time on a mostly 1 for 1 basis.

Just my guess though, I have no firsthand info.

Doubt there will be any need to play catch-up next year as I doubt JB will take all it's scheduled deliveries next year in addition to all the missing deliveries from this year.

Just my guess.

disenchantMINT
02-18-2019, 12:49 PM
Doubt there will be any need to play catch-up next year as I doubt JB will take all it's scheduled deliveries next year in addition to all the missing deliveries from this year.

Just my guess.

Has JB ever taken all its scheduled deliveries? If they have it was well before my time.

BeatNavy
02-18-2019, 01:21 PM
Doubt there will be any need to play catch-up next year as I doubt JB will take all it's scheduled deliveries next year in addition to all the missing deliveries from this year.

Just my guess.

I think we take 6-9 planes this year, 15 next year, and hire 300 each year, with around 59-69 in total attrition each year.

What's your predicted number of planes delivered and pilots hired in both 2019 and 2020?

Bluedriver
02-18-2019, 01:22 PM
Has JB ever taken all its scheduled deliveries? If they have it was well before my time.

They might have once taken all of it's planned REDUCED delivery schedule. But not sure.

Bluedriver
02-18-2019, 01:24 PM
I think we take 6-9 planes this year, 15 next year, and hire 300 each year, with around 59-69 in total attrition each year.

What's your predicted number of planes delivered and pilots hired in both 2019 and 2020?

Bout the same, 6-8 in 2019 and 13-15 in 2020.

Definitely not 13 and 15 as scheduled. And definitely not 28 over 2 years.

KNOTAPILOT
02-18-2019, 02:22 PM
First year pay on both planes is not the same. Hourly rate is the same on both planes. Those in my class that choose bus are on reserve working every weekend at 75 hours guaranteed. Those of us on the 190 are all line holders I hold about half the weekends off and 15-16 days off at 80ish hours credit. QOL and pay are both better first year for the 190. Iíd even say at year 2 with the moving the schedule itís about the same pay for both planes. Obviously the overnights are much better on the bus.

tcco94
02-18-2019, 02:56 PM
His comment about the 15th was tongue in cheek. If you end up coming here as a last resort, you'll see what he means in pretty short order.

See my username. Good luck to you.
Always had JB at the top of my list, have some friends there that love it. Seems like a great culture so I'm sorry and surprised to hear that. Don't mean to be ignorant by any means. Thought the contract you guys got was pretty good. I am still not near competitive mins yet, just starting getting TPIC as of 2019 so crossing my fingers I am closer.

aldonite7667
02-18-2019, 03:57 PM
Always had JB at the top of my list, have some friends there that love it. Seems like a great culture so I'm sorry and surprised to hear that. Don't mean to be ignorant by any means. Thought the contract you guys got was pretty good. I am still not near competitive mins yet, just starting getting TPIC as of 2019 so crossing my fingers I am closer.

Itís an inside joke. Really funny if you work here. Most of us are very happy. If we didnít complain, what would we talk about? :-)

Flyby1206
02-18-2019, 04:37 PM
I think we take 6-9 planes this year, 15 next year, and hire 300 each year, with around 59-69 in total attrition each year.

What's your predicted number of planes delivered and pilots hired in both 2019 and 2020?

Might be of interest:

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