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flyinghedgehog
02-05-2019, 01:53 AM
Hi All,


I have been searching high and low for a copy of the contract at Envoy. Could not seem to find it.


Would anybody here be willing to forward me a copy? If you want to make sure I am not a weirdo I am willing to talk with you via PM or phone.


Thanks!


Cyio
02-05-2019, 03:16 AM
Hi All,


I have been searching high and low for a copy of the contract at Envoy. Could not seem to find it.


Would anybody here be willing to forward me a copy? If you want to make sure I am not a weirdo I am willing to talk with you via PM or phone.


Thanks!

So you donít work here?

flyinghedgehog
02-05-2019, 03:20 AM
So you don’t work here?




No I don't. I am moving on from a 135 and would like to find out as much as I can about the company so I don't waste anyone's time if it is not a right fit.


Thanks!


Cyio
02-05-2019, 04:19 AM
No I don't. I am moving on from a 135 and would like to find out as much as I can about the company so I don't waste anyone's time if it is not a right fit.


Thanks!

So here is the thing with our contract, it is absurdly confusing and even if you had a copy, it wouldn't make sense. lol, hell even people that work here and know it well still takes awhile to find anything useful.

The reason is that we are still operating under our bankruptcy/concession contract from five some years ago, amended with a bunch of Letter of Agreements. So what happens is that you can read the contract and think you know what it is saying, but without knowing that we have an LOA regarding that section you would be getting misled.

As stupid and silly as it sounds, our contract doesn't reference LOA's in the contract itself. So again, you may think you are reading the correct information, but there may be a hidden gem somewhere that would completely contradict the contract.

Anyway, best of luck, the easier solution would be to ask your specific questions here and let others answer.

MD-11Loader
02-05-2019, 05:30 AM
No I don't. I am moving on from a 135 and would like to find out as much as I can about the company so I don't waste anyone's time if it is not a right fit.


Thanks!

Do yourself a favor and go somewhere else. We have an antiquated reserve system that isnít in line with Part 117, pay at the bottom of the industry, and a management team that wants concessions to even talk to us about rule changes. There are better places for you to hang your hat.

Cyio
02-05-2019, 05:39 AM
Do yourself a favor and go somewhere else. We have an antiquated reserve system that isnít in line with Part 117, pay at the bottom of the industry, and a management team that wants concessions to even talk to us about rule changes. There are better places for you to hang your hat.

I agree with this. Two years ago this was the place to come too, but now, there are better options for all but the most specific circumstances.

jake cutter
02-05-2019, 09:00 AM
Actual footage of the pilot group reading the contract

https://media.giphy.com/media/Ekf9Wx4wHRDEI/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/sSyMKoS9VP76o/giphy.gif

flyinghedgehog
02-05-2019, 01:48 PM
As stupid and silly as it sounds, our contract doesn't reference LOA's in the contract itself. So again, you may think you are reading the correct information, but there may be a hidden gem somewhere that would completely contradict the contract.

Anyway, best of luck, the easier solution would be to ask your specific questions here and let others answer.




Very true. Guess you guys are stuck answering my questions now.

Jersdawg
02-05-2019, 06:44 PM
Very true. Guess you guys are stuck answering my questions now.

Donít worry. You will still get castigated for missing something in the unsearchable pdf portions of the LOAs 🤣

wiz5422
02-05-2019, 06:52 PM
Grab a napkin and a sharpie and write " The pilots will do whatever the company ask of them and as they see fit. Anything written in the contract is interpreted as the company sees fit. If you have a problem with it....fly it and grieve it.


That is how our contract is. You were warned.

SilentLurker
02-05-2019, 07:03 PM
Grab a napkin and a sharpie and write " The pilots will do whatever the company ask of them and as they see fit. Anything written in the contract is interpreted as the company sees fit. If you have a problem with it....fly it and grieve it.





That is how our contract is. You were warned.



This!!!

Absolute truth! As close to unanimously factual, as accurate and honest a statement you will ever hear, or experience if you make it to the line.

Cujo665
02-06-2019, 07:05 AM
So here is the thing with our contract, it is absurdly confusing and even if you had a copy, it wouldn't make sense. lol, hell even people that work here and know it well still takes awhile to find anything useful.

The reason is that we are still operating under our bankruptcy/concession contract from five some years ago, amended with a bunch of Letter of Agreements. So what happens is that you can read the contract and think you know what it is saying, but without knowing that we have an LOA regarding that section you would be getting misled.

As stupid and silly as it sounds, our contract doesn't reference LOA's in the contract itself. So again, you may think you are reading the correct information, but there may be a hidden gem somewhere that would completely contradict the contract.

Anyway, best of luck, the easier solution would be to ask your specific questions here and let others answer.

No, you’re operating under a 16 year contract that was amended with LOA’s over the years, went through several amendment rounds were short term gains cost the group long term losses repeatedly. Then a round of concessions for promises of good things, with more LOA’s, then a bankruptcy that became another amendment round only with more concessions and a 10 year extension.

If you think reading all the LOA changes is hard now, you should have seen it before our MEC consolidated all the old ones into a single source CBA back around 2013.

Cyio
02-06-2019, 08:25 AM
No, youíre operating under a 16 year contract that was amended with LOAís over the years, went through several amendment rounds were short term gains cost the group long term losses repeatedly. Then a round of concessions for promises of good things, with more LOAís, then a bankruptcy that became another amendment round only with more concessions and a 10 year extension.

If you think reading all the LOA changes is hard now, you should have seen it before our MEC consolidated all the old ones into a single source CBA back around 2013.

Well the point still stands lol.

Cujo665
02-06-2019, 01:00 PM
Well the point still stands lol.

Absolutely



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