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ekollat
02-17-2019, 12:02 PM
Didn't happen to see much information on this forum about the cadet program so figured I would ask about it from those of you who have applied for the program and/or been through it.

The Envoy website's page with information on the program says "Benefits will include travel privileges for you and your immediate family on American Airlines flights; comprehensive health, dental and vision coverage; 401(k) retirement with company match contributions; American Airlines Group profit sharing; and paid vacation and sick time accrual"

Do these benefits, such as travel privileges begin as soon as you enter the program, and where do cadets stand in terms of boarding priority with those privileges?

What is the transition like between CFI at a flight school to onboarding with Envoy at 1500 hours?

Do Envoy cadets have any special advantages in indoc as compared to any other new hire?

Thanks for all the help.


Varsity
02-17-2019, 02:38 PM
If you enter the program and choose not to join Envoy upon reaching 1500 hours, you will owe Envoy $5,000 plus whatever they have paid you. It's the 'value' they place on the travel. Also, the money that they are paying you comes out of your new hire bonus, so it's actually just fronted money, not a salary.

I would recommend air Wisconsin's program. They give you travel on United and there is no commitment.

jake cutter
02-17-2019, 03:09 PM
Sick time, vacation time, company seniority (but not pilot), medical, dental, etc all accrue from day 1. So do your flight benefits. These are first come first serve and itís an even playing field. 20 year 777 CA plays by same rules. Anywhere AA flies. Not sure if you get zed access as a cadet.
Transitioning to indoc is no big deal. As you approach 1400 hrs or so let your recruiter know and they will pencil you in for ATP/CTP and a class date. I think there may be an additional drug test and PRIA before on boarding. You will get some credit for sim time so you can start just short of 1500.
As a cadet you currently get first dibs on base and equip. As varsity said, there is a price to pay if you bolt before indoc.


BigZ
02-17-2019, 04:16 PM
I would recommend air Wisconsin's program. They give you travel on United and there is no commitment.
I wouldn't. Unless something changed, ZW has SA5 on UAL, which is basically like AAC priority on AA. Close to useless.

inevitableneb
02-17-2019, 05:47 PM
Didn't happen to see much information on this forum about the cadet program so figured I would ask about it from those of you who have applied for the program and/or been through it.

The Envoy website's page with information on the program says "Benefits will include travel privileges for you and your immediate family on American Airlines flights; comprehensive health, dental and vision coverage; 401(k) retirement with company match contributions; American Airlines Group profit sharing; and paid vacation and sick time accrual"

Do these benefits, such as travel privileges begin as soon as you enter the program, and where do cadets stand in terms of boarding priority with those privileges?

What is the transition like between CFI at a flight school to onboarding with Envoy at 1500 hours?

Do Envoy cadets have any special advantages in indoc as compared to any other new hire?

Thanks for all the help.

Cadets do get better in class seniority which might help.
I wasn't a cadet, but from what I've seen doesn't seem like a bad deal. I'd strongly recommend you have a long chat with an envoy pilot before making your decision. There is a lot of 'don't know what you don't know' when it comes to various airlines.

Rich421
02-17-2019, 05:59 PM
Cadets do get ZED benefits after a waiting period. I believe itís 6 months.

Varsity
02-17-2019, 06:40 PM
I wouldn't. Unless something changed, ZW has SA5 on UAL, which is basically like AAC priority on AA. Close to useless.

It's also close to free. If/When you decided Air Wisky isn't for you, you don't owe them anything. Envoy will expect a check for $5,000. I wouldn't commit to anything in this hiring environment.

BigZ
02-17-2019, 08:25 PM
It's also close to free. If/When you decided Air Wisky isn't for you, you don't owe them anything. Envoy will expect a check for $5,000. I wouldn't commit to anything in this hiring environment.

Not sure about free. There was some commotion about $400 or $600 bills when you quit, from one of my friends included, but that was after my time there so I don't have a first hand experience on it.

Varsity
02-17-2019, 08:43 PM
Not sure about free. There was some commotion about $400 or $600 bills when you quit, from one of my friends included, but that was after my time there so I don't have a first hand experience on it.

Still sounds like a lot less than $5,000-$10,000.

BigZ
02-17-2019, 09:33 PM
Still sounds like a lot less than $5,000-$10,000.

There is a big difference between the MQ and ZW cadet programs. One is much more involved than the other - Envoy can pick you up much sooner and handhold you much further. Air Whiskey was more of a get paid $100/mo (or whatever it was) to do a 30 min CBT (first few were sort of an "intro to indoc and stuff", then CRJ200 systems) and spend 15 mins a month on a phone with a recruiter, letting them keep tabs on when they might give you an offer you cannot refuse, and counting positively for their pipeline statistics. Different costs if you quit, different payout if you don't.

SkychickenFO
02-18-2019, 08:48 AM
Nothing but good things to say about the ZW program. Couple CBTs a month and a phone call with a recruiter. Also have to update your hours. They also have conference calls each month with chief pilots to discuss a question or topic posted on the Airman Trainee portal. The flight benefits are definitely not useless if you know how to use them. I made it to Australia and back on them as well as several shorter trips as well. I know people in the program who really get their moneys worth out of them going all over the place so they are usable if you're flexible and creative with itineraries. If you decide, as I did, to chose a different regional there isn't a fee to pay back. At least I never paid one. And they were very understanding when I chose a different regional instead of ZW. I enjoyed the program and hope this clears up some info about it.

UncreativeUser
02-18-2019, 09:20 AM
Didn't happen to see much information on this forum about the cadet program so figured I would ask about it from those of you who have applied for the program and/or been through it.



The Envoy website's page with information on the program says "Benefits will include travel privileges for you and your immediate family on American Airlines flights; comprehensive health, dental and vision coverage; 401(k) retirement with company match contributions; American Airlines Group profit sharing; and paid vacation and sick time accrual"



Do these benefits, such as travel privileges begin as soon as you enter the program, and where do cadets stand in terms of boarding priority with those privileges?



What is the transition like between CFI at a flight school to onboarding with Envoy at 1500 hours?



Do Envoy cadets have any special advantages in indoc as compared to any other new hire?



Thanks for all the help.



I was in the program and went all the way through!

Basically you get full blown benefits (including ZED) which is nice but shouldnít be the only factor.

I did it for better equipment choice, right now equipment can matter for QOL of schedules and what not so itís good to have that advantage at the cost of basically selling out to get it, but who wouldnít when youíre making a big career move.

If you decide to do it, great! But be absolutely certain for reasons already mentioned above. Also keep in mind we are at a stage with the company that the less people that come here, the more likely we will get our higher pay package.


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Varsity
02-18-2019, 10:31 AM
I was in the program and went all the way through!

Basically you get full blown benefits (including ZED) which is nice but shouldnít be the only factor.

I did it for better equipment choice, right now equipment can matter for QOL of schedules and what not so itís good to have that advantage at the cost of basically selling out to get it, but who wouldnít when youíre making a big career move.

If you decide to do it, great! But be absolutely certain for reasons already mentioned above. Also keep in mind we are at a stage with the company that the less people that come here, the more likely we will get our higher pay package.


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Cadets are getting the 145 recently in the all-145 classes. Being a cadet doesn't guarantee the 175 at all.

UncreativeUser
02-18-2019, 07:58 PM
Cadets are getting the 145 recently in the all-145 classes. Being a cadet doesn't guarantee the 175 at all.



Yeah about one class per month give or take. Itís a gamble, but from what Iíve heard the 145 in ORD isnít as bad as it had to be but I donít know that for sure


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in2deep
02-18-2019, 08:48 PM
I was in the program and went all the way through!

Basically you get full blown benefits (including ZED) which is nice but shouldnít be the only factor.

I did it for better equipment choice, right now equipment can matter for QOL of schedules and what not so itís good to have that advantage at the cost of basically selling out to get it, but who wouldnít when youíre making a big career move.

If you decide to do it, great! But be absolutely certain for reasons already mentioned above. Also keep in mind we are at a stage with the company that the less people that come here, the more likely we will get our higher pay package.


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Jesus.

Donít sell yourself out to a company. Thatís the issue with the regionals right now. If you have to sell yourself out in order to have a decent time somewhere, what does that say about the company?

dera
02-18-2019, 08:57 PM
Yeah about one class per month give or take. Itís a gamble, but from what Iíve heard the 145 in ORD isnít as bad as it had to be but I donít know that for sure


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Looks like reserve time is dropping pretty dramatically for OFE's.

UberPilot
02-20-2019, 07:16 PM
Benefits of the cadet program:

1) 401k, vacation, and sick timeó- Since you are considered an Envoy employee you will start to accumulate vacation and sick time. Your 401(k) is based on time in the company and that starts from the day you sign your cadet agreement.

2) Equipment and Bases ó- Cadets will choose equipment first based on how long they have been Envoy employees. 121 pilots will choose next based on experience. All others, meaning 135 pilots and also pilots with 1500, will choose next based on birthdate; people born first will choose first.

3) Bonus ó You can opt to take your bonus now. Up to $5000. But you do not have to. You can do this to lower your tax bracket. You do not have to take the full $5000, which can be requested all at once if needed. Or you can request anything lower i.e. $2,500 or $3000. Or even five dollars every flight hour like some partner schools advertise.

4) Other Benefitsó All those listed on the website



Rumors addressed

If you do not take the $5000 bonus you do Not have to pay 5K if you decide to leave somewhere else. Meaning if they do not give you money you do not have to give them money


Becoming a cadet does not place you into Pilot seniority.
Only company seniority to accrue vacation and sick time.


Process.

You will interview like everybody else. If you were offered a Position as a cadet you will then do your fingerprinting and drug test. Then youíll be told that somebody will contact you shortly. After about 2 to 3 weeks an individual from Envoy will email you with your paperwork saying you pass the background check and then you sign your letter of employment. Upon signing that letter Is when your date of hire is begun.

Theyíll stay in touch with you throughout your time building. Upon getting close to the time mark it is upon you to contact Envoy and let them know you are approaching 1500/1250/1000 hrs. They will notify you in class dates which you may choose from.

SoFloFlyer
02-20-2019, 07:54 PM
Benefits of the cadet program:

1) 401k, vacation, and sick timeó- Since you are considered an Envoy employee you will start to accumulate vacation and sick time. Your 401(k) is based on time in the company and that starts from the day you sign your cadet agreement.

2) Equipment and Bases ó- Cadets will choose equipment first based on how long they have been Envoy employees. 121 pilots will choose next based on experience. All others, meaning 135 pilots and also pilots with 1500, will choose next based on birthdate; people born first will choose first.

3) Bonus ó You can opt to take your bonus now. Up to $5000. But you do not have to. You can do this to lower your tax bracket. You do not have to take the full $5000, which can be requested all at once if needed. Or you can request anything lower i.e. $2,500 or $3000. Or even five dollars every flight hour like some partner schools advertise.

4) Other Benefitsó All those listed on the website



Rumors addressed

If you do not take the $5000 bonus you do Not have to pay 5K if you decide to leave somewhere else. Meaning if they do not give you money you do not have to give them money


Becoming a cadet does not place you into Pilot seniority.
Only company seniority to accrue vacation and sick time.


Process.

You will interview like everybody else. If you were offered a Position as a cadet you will then do your fingerprinting and drug test. Then youíll be told that somebody will contact you shortly. After about 2 to 3 weeks an individual from Envoy will email you with your paperwork saying you pass the background check and then you sign your letter of employment. Upon signing that letter Is when your date of hire is begun.

Theyíll stay in touch with you throughout your time building. Upon getting close to the time mark it is upon you to contact Envoy and let them know you are approaching 1500/1250/1000 hrs. They will notify you in class dates which you may choose from.

This made it sound like you donít need to be affiliated with a partner school to be a cadet. Would that be accurate?

UncreativeUser
02-20-2019, 07:57 PM
This made it sound like you donít need to be affiliated with a partner school to be a cadet. Would that be accurate?



Partner schools just get mentorship only.

Pipeline schools get the full benefits (401k, health, travel, etc.)


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UncreativeUser
02-20-2019, 07:59 PM
Looks like reserve time is dropping pretty dramatically for OFE's.



Yes, and Iím happy for them too! Hopefully at this rate there wonít be a huge imbalance of reserve time between the 2-3 fleets


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ekollat
03-03-2019, 05:42 PM
Donít want to get too off topic but what is the current FO to CA upgrade time at Envoy?

And how long is the wait for Indoc?

dera
03-03-2019, 05:57 PM
Donít want to get too off topic but what is the current FO to CA upgrade time at Envoy?

And how long is the wait for Indoc?

Interview to ATP CTP, 1-3 weeks, Indoc week after that. This from oneone who interviewed a month ago. Depends how quickly your background check comes back and how it matches with a captain review board.

Right now, FO to CA is when you hit 1000 hours 121. This might change in the 1.5-2 years it may take for you to get those hours.

pitchattitude
03-03-2019, 07:09 PM
Interview to ATP CTP, 1-3 weeks, Indoc week after that. This from oneone who interviewed a month ago. Depends how quickly your background check comes back and how it matches with a captain review board.

Right now, FO to CA is when you hit 1000 hours 121. This might change in the 1.5-2 years it may take for you to get those hours.
You are actually able to bid (or be displaced) at 950 hours. The 50 hours you get on IOE counts towards the1000. Prior to the change of 50 hours IOE for all new captains, and back when people had to actually bid, Envoy required the full 1000 before you could bid.

Mtnrunner
03-05-2019, 10:56 AM
For those that applied to the Envoy cadet program, about how long after applying did you hear back from them?

UberPilot
03-09-2019, 06:50 PM
For those that applied to the Envoy cadet program, about how long after applying did you hear back from them?

3 weeks. Little over 2 months for the whole process.

ekollat
03-12-2019, 11:42 AM
3 weeks. Little over 2 months for the whole process.

What does the whole process consist of?

Juanr1994
03-12-2019, 03:50 PM
Does envoy still do the in house medical when hired or can you go to an AME of your choosing?

EnyFlyr
03-12-2019, 04:49 PM
Does envoy still do the in house medical when hired or can you go to an AME of your choosing?

The in house ďmedicalĒ is just a pee test