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MasterOfAnxiety
03-11-2019, 05:27 PM
Hey folks, extremely nervous flier here. I understand how much pilots hate this question, and I know a bunch of people are going to jump down my throat about how safe aviation is, but if you could take a minute to reassure me (and then delete the thread if you want), I would really appreciate it.


I've heard that TSA has good pilots. However, I've heard essentially nothing good about the rest of TSA, the CEO, and the future of the company. Poor management, junior manning, corner-cutting...and yes, I read about the $2.5 million fine from the FAA in 2008 for bad maintenance. I also have heard bad things from the maintenance team on sites like Glassdoor or Indeed. (I know the bad reviews are going to come from disgruntled workers with an ax to grind, but still. Some of those reviews were unnerving). With that said, when pilots on this forum make comments like "this is a trash airline" or "everyone is getting out as fast as they can" or "maintenance gets old broken parts" or "those rusty planes in STL are being put back into service" or "UAL is following us around ORD with clipboards watching everything we do"...I gotta say it makes me nervous. So I need to ask, how far do these criticisms go? By "trash airline" do you mean the scheduling just realllly sucks, or something more? Did AA decide not to renew TSA's contract due to safety reasons or something else?


Sorry if I've offended anyone here. I know you're all awesome pilots, but it's the poor management I distrust. I'm aware that TSA has never had a fatal accident, nor has the ERJ-145. And I know 200+ TSA flights go off every day without a hitch. But I fly with you guys on Friday, and I have severe, debilitating anxiety when it comes to flying. If you have any words of reassurance, I would greatly appreciate them.


Excargodog
03-11-2019, 06:10 PM
Worry about driving to and from the airport. That risk is far greater.

TiredSoul
03-11-2019, 06:35 PM
Honestly if you’re this concerned why fly with TSA?
Find an airline you’re comfortable with or drive.


NeverHome
03-12-2019, 01:40 AM
Honestly your going to be fine. A lot of factors have to add up to have an accident. Nobody is going to let anything happen to a 20 million dollar jet.

Yes I’m a CA with the company. I’ve seen many things over many years of airline flying. Every pilot out there are completely dedicated to safety of flight

FlyingKat
03-12-2019, 07:45 PM
Hey folks, extremely nervous flier here. I understand how much pilots hate this question, and I know a bunch of people are going to jump down my throat about how safe aviation is, but if you could take a minute to reassure me (and then delete the thread if you want), I would really appreciate it.


I've heard that TSA has good pilots. However, I've heard essentially nothing good about the rest of TSA, the CEO, and the future of the company. Poor management, junior manning, corner-cutting...and yes, I read about the $2.5 million fine from the FAA in 2008 for bad maintenance. I also have heard bad things from the maintenance team on sites like Glassdoor or Indeed. (I know the bad reviews are going to come from disgruntled workers with an ax to grind, but still. Some of those reviews were unnerving). With that said, when pilots on this forum make comments like "this is a trash airline" or "everyone is getting out as fast as they can" or "maintenance gets old broken parts" or "those rusty planes in STL are being put back into service" or "UAL is following us around ORD with clipboards watching everything we do"...I gotta say it makes me nervous. So I need to ask, how far do these criticisms go? By "trash airline" do you mean the scheduling just realllly sucks, or something more? Did AA decide not to renew TSA's contract due to safety reasons or something else?


Sorry if I've offended anyone here. I know you're all awesome pilots, but it's the poor management I distrust. I'm aware that TSA has never had a fatal accident, nor has the ERJ-145. And I know 200+ TSA flights go off every day without a hitch. But I fly with you guys on Friday, and I have severe, debilitating anxiety when it comes to flying. If you have any words of reassurance, I would greatly appreciate them.

The most dangerous part of my day is the drive to the airport. After that I'm not too worried. I have only come close to dying 3 times while flying. All of them were on the drive to the airport including a rollover crash when a crazy blonde drove me off the road.

Sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight. We'll take good care of you.

NeverHome
03-13-2019, 07:03 AM
The most dangerous part of my day is the drive to the airport. After that I'm not too worried. I have only come close to dying 3 times while flying. All of them were on the drive to the airport including a rollover crash when a crazy blonde drove me off the road.

Sit back, relax, and enjoy the flight. We'll take good care of you.

Crazy blonde eh? Soooooooooooooooo, what were y’all doing?

minimwage4
03-14-2019, 01:50 PM
Hey folks, extremely nervous flier here. I understand how much pilots hate this question, and I know a bunch of people are going to jump down my throat about how safe aviation is, but if you could take a minute to reassure me (and then delete the thread if you want), I would really appreciate it.


I've heard that TSA has good pilots. However, I've heard essentially nothing good about the rest of TSA, the CEO, and the future of the company. Poor management, junior manning, corner-cutting...and yes, I read about the $2.5 million fine from the FAA in 2008 for bad maintenance. I also have heard bad things from the maintenance team on sites like Glassdoor or Indeed. (I know the bad reviews are going to come from disgruntled workers with an ax to grind, but still. Some of those reviews were unnerving). With that said, when pilots on this forum make comments like "this is a trash airline" or "everyone is getting out as fast as they can" or "maintenance gets old broken parts" or "those rusty planes in STL are being put back into service" or "UAL is following us around ORD with clipboards watching everything we do"...I gotta say it makes me nervous. So I need to ask, how far do these criticisms go? By "trash airline" do you mean the scheduling just realllly sucks, or something more? Did AA decide not to renew TSA's contract due to safety reasons or something else?


Sorry if I've offended anyone here. I know you're all awesome pilots, but it's the poor management I distrust. I'm aware that TSA has never had a fatal accident, nor has the ERJ-145. And I know 200+ TSA flights go off every day without a hitch. But I fly with you guys on Friday, and I have severe, debilitating anxiety when it comes to flying. If you have any words of reassurance, I would greatly appreciate them.


I heard of an incident recently where they had a blow out of the pressurization packs and the CA was forced to decide on flying over the Rockies on oxygen or turn on one of the deferred packs. They even wanted to put all blame on the CA before they decided better if it since they put him in an impossible situation with their crappy maintenance. Stay far away.

jDSTJD
03-14-2019, 02:48 PM
Hey folks, extremely nervous flier here. I understand how much pilots hate this question, and I know a bunch of people are going to jump down my throat about how safe aviation is, but if you could take a minute to reassure me (and then delete the thread if you want), I would really appreciate it.


I've heard that TSA has good pilots. However, I've heard essentially nothing good about the rest of TSA, the CEO, and the future of the company. Poor management, junior manning, corner-cutting...and yes, I read about the $2.5 million fine from the FAA in 2008 for bad maintenance. I also have heard bad things from the maintenance team on sites like Glassdoor or Indeed. (I know the bad reviews are going to come from disgruntled workers with an ax to grind, but still. Some of those reviews were unnerving). With that said, when pilots on this forum make comments like "this is a trash airline" or "everyone is getting out as fast as they can" or "maintenance gets old broken parts" or "those rusty planes in STL are being put back into service" or "UAL is following us around ORD with clipboards watching everything we do"...I gotta say it makes me nervous. So I need to ask, how far do these criticisms go? By "trash airline" do you mean the scheduling just realllly sucks, or something more? Did AA decide not to renew TSA's contract due to safety reasons or something else?


Sorry if I've offended anyone here. I know you're all awesome pilots, but it's the poor management I distrust. I'm aware that TSA has never had a fatal accident, nor has the ERJ-145. And I know 200+ TSA flights go off every day without a hitch. But I fly with you guys on Friday, and I have severe, debilitating anxiety when it comes to flying. If you have any words of reassurance, I would greatly appreciate them.

Just do what I do...stay up the entire night before your flight so that all you can manage to do once you get on the plane is fasten your seatbelt before passing out. When you awaken you will be on the ground and will have no idea about any bumps or shakes while in the air, if there were any, and you will not have had to deal with being sick with nervousness throughout the entire flight. :)

Coneydog
03-14-2019, 05:17 PM
I heard of an incident recently where they had a blow out of the pressurization packs and the CA was forced to decide on flying over the Rockies on oxygen or turn on one of the deferred packs. They even wanted to put all blame on the CA before they decided better if it since they put him in an impossible situation with their crappy maintenance. Stay far away.

This did happen. Once again, very good pilots keeping a bad situation from getting worse. One thing Trans States does have going for it: outstanding pilots who are used to dealing with critical maintanece items on a daily basis. The maintenance itself borders on criminal.

MasterOfAnxiety
03-14-2019, 06:01 PM
The maintenance itself borders on criminal.


Buddy, I am freaking out and on the verge of cancelling my flight tomorrow. Should I do it or no?

Excargodog
03-14-2019, 06:20 PM
Buddy, I am freaking out and on the verge of cancelling my flight tomorrow. Should I do it or no?

Cancel. I wouldn’t want you having a panic attack on my aircraft and causing a divert that would inconvenience the rational passengers.

Svt24
03-14-2019, 06:28 PM
Buddy, I am freaking out and on the verge of cancelling my flight tomorrow. Should I do it or no?

I can't tell you what to do, but personally I would have no reservations about getting on a TSA flight.

jDSTJD
03-14-2019, 06:31 PM
Buddy, I am freaking out and on the verge of cancelling my flight tomorrow. Should I do it or no?

Ok. I was joking before but in all seriousness if you’re that scared then yeah you should cancel your flight and find another airline that doesn’t freak you out or use another mode of transportation. Do you honestly expect any of these pilots to actually tell you “yeah, if you fly this airline tomorrow you’re going to die”. From what I’m seeing they’ve all tried to reassure you that all pilots operate with the utmost care to get you to your destination safely and are trained to handle situations even when there may be a problem with the plane due to maintenance issues. What more do you want them to say?

Coneydog
03-14-2019, 06:34 PM
Buddy, I am freaking out and on the verge of cancelling my flight tomorrow. Should I do it or no?

Like someone said before, the drive to the airport is far more dangerous. You’ll be fine. But if it’s giving you this much anxiety, then book a different flight.

FlyingKat
03-15-2019, 05:43 AM
Crazy blonde eh? Soooooooooooooooo, what were y’all doing?

LOL I will never tell. Blondes and a muscle car going 80 mph....what could go wrong? ;)

NeverHome
03-15-2019, 07:50 AM
LOL I will never tell. Blondes and a muscle car going 80 mph....what could go wrong? ;)

Blonds and a muscle car? I bet you thought you were in heaven!

As to the issue with the CA and the packs over the Rockies: I don’t think anyone gave any issues about him restarting the deferred pack. I would have! What bothers me is we keep setting our self up for a repeat scenario. We use the term “operational need” as a trump card to bypass too many checks and balances. Getting juniored? Operational need. HK to GUC on a compact snow runway? Operational need? One deferred pack over the Rockies? Well, you know the answer.

As been stated, our CAs are on point and outstanding pilots. We are literally the last line of defense and we hold that line with precision and strength. Basically we all need some serious raises!

MasterOfAnxiety
03-15-2019, 12:01 PM
Well I survived, so that’s good

galleycafe
03-15-2019, 07:36 PM
Greyhound, my friend.

Plane Coffee

OldWeasel
03-16-2019, 09:55 AM
But I fly with you guys on Friday, and I have severe, debilitating anxiety when it comes to flying. If you have any words of reassurance, I would greatly appreciate them.

I have some reservations about this post. Warning: I’m not known for my bedside manner. Anyway rather than discuss air vs land travel. There’s one thing for sure. Most pilots have invested great time and resources to sit up front. Each day they strap on that jet with the short term goal of going home at the end of their trip. The long term goal is retirement. They can’t accomplish either flying planes into the ground. But I think you know that already. Take a pill and enjoy the ride with whomever you fly.