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View Full Version : Trump banned all 737 Max flights.


GodIsGood
03-13-2019, 11:02 AM
Just announced all Max aircraft have been grounded.


BarrySeal
03-13-2019, 11:06 AM
incredible

awax
03-13-2019, 11:08 AM
And he went on to say:

“I build the best buildings.” “Nobody builds walls better than me.” “I created maybe the greatest brand.” “Trump Steaks are the world’s greatest steaks.” “I have the best [golf] courses in the world.” “My Twitter has become so powerful that I can actually make my enemies tell the truth.” “I know all about knives and belt buckles.” “And I know more about wedges than any human being that’s ever lived.” “I know more about [campaign] contributions than anybody.” “Nobody has better toys than I do.” “Nobody loves the Bible better than I do.” “I’m the king of debt. I understand debt better than probably anybody.” “Nobody knows more about debt than I do.” “I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world. Nobody knows more about taxes.” “Nobody knows more about taxes than I do — and income than I do.” “I know the details of taxes better than anybody. Better than the greatest C.P.A.” “Nobody even understands it but me. It’s called devaluation.” “Nobody knows more about trade than me.” “I’m really a great negotiator. I know how to negotiate.” “Deals are my art form. I like making deals, preferably big deals.” “Nobody knows banking better than I do” “I understand money better than anybody.” “I know the details of health care better than most, better than most.” “I know more about the big bills than any president that’s ever been in office.” “I know the H1B. I know the H2B. Nobody knows it better than me.” “I know the best people.” “I know the smartest negotiators in the world. I know the good ones. I know the bad ones. I know the overrated ones.” “I’m really good at war.” “I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me.” “Nobody would be tougher on ISIS than Donald Trump.” “Nobody is bigger or better at the military than I am.” “I know more about offense and defense than they will ever understand.” “There’s nobody that understands the horror of nuclear better than me.” “Nobody is fighting for the veterans like I’m fighting for the veterans.” “Nobody’s better to people with disabilities than me.” “There’s nobody more pro-Israel than I am.” “Nobody knows jobs like I do!” “Nobody knows politicians better than I do.” “Nobody knows the game better than I do.” “Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it.” “Nobody in the history of this country has ever known so much about infrastructure as Donald Trump.” “I know more about renewables than any human being on Earth.” “Nobody’s ever had crowds like [I’ve] had.” “Nobody can do it like me. Nobody. Nobody can do it like me, honestly.” “Nobody is stronger than me.” “It’s all because of me.” “I know words. I have the best words.”


baronbvp
03-13-2019, 11:14 AM
That’s a lot of quotes bro

fortyeight
03-13-2019, 11:32 AM
Then Trump comes along in his usual “bull in a china shop” way, ignoring all reasoning and expert opinions, and costs US companies hundreds of millions of dollars.

So you basically just declared profits over safety. Nice.

The US is pretty late to the game when it comes to grounding the MAX. What if a US MAX went down and Trump/NTSB/FAA had done nothing prior? I’m sure you’d be on here asking why the US DIDN’T ground the aircraft.

ryane946
03-13-2019, 11:35 AM
I would care less what Trump thinks. I care what the experts think. If the FAA said a plane should be grounded and Trump overruled them, I would have the same issue.

bigtime209
03-13-2019, 01:05 PM
Despite what the media is saying, it wasn't Trump; it was the FAA's decision to ground the MAX. Per the FAA website:

The FAA is ordering the temporary grounding of Boeing 737 MAX aircraft (PDF) operated by U.S. airlines or in U.S. territory. The agency made this decision as a result of the data gathering process and new evidence collected at the site and analyzed today. This evidence, together with newly refined satellite data available to FAA this morning, led to this decision.

The grounding will remain in effect pending further investigation, including examination of information from the aircraft’s flight data recorders and cockpit voice recorders. An FAA team is in Ethiopia assisting the NTSB as parties to the investigation of the Flight 302 accident. The agency will continue to investigate.

AwkwardTurtle
03-13-2019, 01:29 PM
We would typically expect a president to defer to the judgment of the FAA and NTSB, who decided there was no reason to ground the airplane.

Then Trump comes along in his usual “bull in a china shop” way, ignoring all reasoning and expert opinions, and costs US companies hundreds of millions of dollars.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/13/faa-administrator-on-grounding-boeing-737-max-we-didnt-feel-global-pressure.html

The googles shows that you are wrong.

sailingfun
03-13-2019, 02:00 PM
We would typically expect a president to defer to the judgment of the FAA and NTSB, who decided there was no reason to ground the airplane.

Then Trump comes along in his usual “bull in a china shop” way, ignoring all reasoning and expert opinions, and costs US companies hundreds of millions of dollars.

You just don’t understand! He is smarter than everyone else!

Bucking Bar
03-13-2019, 02:22 PM
When will the US wake up to realize the FAA does not effectively manage the aircraft certification process and is damn near useless?

The manufacturers get it right, or they don't. The Gulfsteam G650 serves as an excellent example. The NTSB uncovered all kinds of absolute garbage where effectively, the airplane was being certified by the marketing dept.

The NG turned the secondary pitch controls into kinda the primary pitch control. Even the autopilot has to "trim bias" to flare. Then they added huge nacelles way forward of the CG which destablizes the jet at high AOA and stick an AOA pusher on it to fix what amounts to bad aerodynamic design. The pusher dorks up and guess what, it is hard wired to the most powerful pitch control the jet has and it does not lock itself out with pressure on the control collumn.

This is work around bull effluvia in the same style as Douglas. ... The MD90 ended up with a different pitch control system than the MD83.

Me thinks this does not get unscrewed with a few lines of code. It is the size, shape and power of a jet which has an elevator fitted in 1966 which controlled a thing with about 30,000 lbs of thrust. Now with twice the power and three times the passenger load it's just been stretched beyond it's design.

disco inferno
03-13-2019, 02:23 PM
And he went on to say:

“I build the best buildings.” “Nobody builds walls better than me.” “I created maybe the greatest brand.” “Trump Steaks are the world’s greatest steaks.” “I have the best [golf] courses in the world.” “My Twitter has become so powerful that I can actually make my enemies tell the truth.” “I know all about knives and belt buckles.” “And I know more about wedges than any human being that’s ever lived.” “I know more about [campaign] contributions than anybody.” “Nobody has better toys than I do.” “Nobody loves the Bible better than I do.” “I’m the king of debt. I understand debt better than probably anybody.” “Nobody knows more about debt than I do.” “I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world. Nobody knows more about taxes.” “Nobody knows more about taxes than I do — and income than I do.” “I know the details of taxes better than anybody. Better than the greatest C.P.A.” “Nobody even understands it but me. It’s called devaluation.” “Nobody knows more about trade than me.” “I’m really a great negotiator. I know how to negotiate.” “Deals are my art form. I like making deals, preferably big deals.” “Nobody knows banking better than I do” “I understand money better than anybody.” “I know the details of health care better than most, better than most.” “I know more about the big bills than any president that’s ever been in office.” “I know the H1B. I know the H2B. Nobody knows it better than me.” “I know the best people.” “I know the smartest negotiators in the world. I know the good ones. I know the bad ones. I know the overrated ones.” “I’m really good at war.” “I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me.” “Nobody would be tougher on ISIS than Donald Trump.” “Nobody is bigger or better at the military than I am.” “I know more about offense and defense than they will ever understand.” “There’s nobody that understands the horror of nuclear better than me.” “Nobody is fighting for the veterans like I’m fighting for the veterans.” “Nobody’s better to people with disabilities than me.” “There’s nobody more pro-Israel than I am.” “Nobody knows jobs like I do!” “Nobody knows politicians better than I do.” “Nobody knows the game better than I do.” “Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it.” “Nobody in the history of this country has ever known so much about infrastructure as Donald Trump.” “I know more about renewables than any human being on Earth.” “Nobody’s ever had crowds like [I’ve] had.” “Nobody can do it like me. Nobody. Nobody can do it like me, honestly.” “Nobody is stronger than me.” “It’s all because of me.” “I know words. I have the best words.”
I'm going to guess you are the proud owner of one of those pink hats.

A few hundred people have been killed in a short period of time in a specific aircraft. I don't think it's unreasonable to ground the fleet until the cause can be determined. Way to inject your politics into the situation though. I'm sure if your boyfriend were one of the casualties, you'd be singing a different tune.

Flyboy68
03-13-2019, 03:17 PM
Originally Posted by iahflyr
Then Trump comes along in his usual “bull in a china shop” way, ignoring all reasoning and expert opinions, and costs US companies hundreds of millions of dollars.This post didn't age well. :rolleyes:

Ijustlikeflying
03-13-2019, 04:24 PM
Do we have enough spares / non-utilized aircraft to cover the 20ish max aircraft that are grounded ?

chrisreedrules
03-13-2019, 04:27 PM
Do we have enough spares / non-utilized aircraft to cover the 20ish max aircraft that are grounded ?

Lol probably not.

A lot of the 737 Max stuff is MIA-Caribbean. Lots of stuff cancelled right now. Going to be a helluva spring break for people.

butthert
03-13-2019, 05:39 PM
And he went on to say:

“I build the best buildings.” “Nobody builds walls better than me.” “I created maybe the greatest brand.” “Trump Steaks are the world’s greatest steaks.” “I have the best [golf] courses in the world.” “My Twitter has become so powerful that I can actually make my enemies tell the truth.” “I know all about knives and belt buckles.” “And I know more about wedges than any human being that’s ever lived.” “I know more about [campaign] contributions than anybody.” “Nobody has better toys than I do.” “Nobody loves the Bible better than I do.” “I’m the king of debt. I understand debt better than probably anybody.” “Nobody knows more about debt than I do.” “I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world. Nobody knows more about taxes.” “Nobody knows more about taxes than I do — and income than I do.” “I know the details of taxes better than anybody. Better than the greatest C.P.A.” “Nobody even understands it but me. It’s called devaluation.” “Nobody knows more about trade than me.” “I’m really a great negotiator. I know how to negotiate.” “Deals are my art form. I like making deals, preferably big deals.” “Nobody knows banking better than I do” “I understand money better than anybody.” “I know the details of health care better than most, better than most.” “I know more about the big bills than any president that’s ever been in office.” “I know the H1B. I know the H2B. Nobody knows it better than me.” “I know the best people.” “I know the smartest negotiators in the world. I know the good ones. I know the bad ones. I know the overrated ones.” “I’m really good at war.” “I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me.” “Nobody would be tougher on ISIS than Donald Trump.” “Nobody is bigger or better at the military than I am.” “I know more about offense and defense than they will ever understand.” “There’s nobody that understands the horror of nuclear better than me.” “Nobody is fighting for the veterans like I’m fighting for the veterans.” “Nobody’s better to people with disabilities than me.” “There’s nobody more pro-Israel than I am.” “Nobody knows jobs like I do!” “Nobody knows politicians better than I do.” “Nobody knows the game better than I do.” “Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it.” “Nobody in the history of this country has ever known so much about infrastructure as Donald Trump.” “I know more about renewables than any human being on Earth.” “Nobody’s ever had crowds like [I’ve] had.” “Nobody can do it like me. Nobody. Nobody can do it like me, honestly.” “Nobody is stronger than me.” “It’s all because of me.” “I know words. I have the best words.”

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7mF_az89BzY/hqdefault.jpg

Reee!! The Russians told Trump to ban the 737

ShyGuy
03-13-2019, 05:39 PM
So you basically just declared profits over safety. Nice.

The US is pretty late to the game when it comes to grounding the MAX. What if a US MAX went down and Trump/NTSB/FAA had done nothing prior? I’m sure you’d be on here asking why the US DIDN’T ground the aircraft.

I think US crews would have pulled the stab trim electric cutoff switches.

MySaabStory
03-13-2019, 07:25 PM
I think US crews would have pulled the stab trim electric cutoff switches.

I’m no MIT professor or Einstein...so I’m guessing I would mess that up.

Meow1215
03-13-2019, 07:36 PM
I think US crews would have pulled the stab trim electric cutoff switches.

I think anybody properly trained would have done the same.

costalpilot
03-13-2019, 07:45 PM
I would care less what Trump thinks. I care what the experts think. If the FAA said a plane should be grounded and Trump overruled them, I would have the same issue.

Boeing grounded all of em.

That good enough 4 U?

costalpilot
03-13-2019, 07:52 PM
I think US crews would have pulled the stab trim electric cutoff switches.

i think its a hellofa reach to think that all 609,000 American pilots would always do the right thing, but youd go with that eh?

Im guessing your not in training.

Arado 234
03-13-2019, 09:01 PM
When will the US wake up to realize the FAA does not effectively manage the aircraft certification process and is damn near useless?

The manufacturers get it right, or they don't. The Gulfsteam G650 serves as an excellent example. The NTSB uncovered all kinds of absolute garbage where effectively, the airplane was being certified by the marketing dept.
...


I am curious about the G650. Could you please post some more reference regarding this "uncovered... garbage"?

Flyboy68
03-13-2019, 09:12 PM
And he went on to say:

“I build the best buildings.” “Nobody builds walls better than me.” “I created maybe the greatest brand.” “Trump Steaks are the world’s greatest steaks.” “I have the best [golf] courses in the world.” “My Twitter has become so powerful that I can actually make my enemies tell the truth.” “I know all about knives and belt buckles.” “And I know more about wedges than any human being that’s ever lived.” “I know more about [campaign] contributions than anybody.” “Nobody has better toys than I do.” “Nobody loves the Bible better than I do.” “I’m the king of debt. I understand debt better than probably anybody.” “Nobody knows more about debt than I do.” “I think nobody knows more about taxes than I do, maybe in the history of the world. Nobody knows more about taxes.” “Nobody knows more about taxes than I do — and income than I do.” “I know the details of taxes better than anybody. Better than the greatest C.P.A.” “Nobody even understands it but me. It’s called devaluation.” “Nobody knows more about trade than me.” “I’m really a great negotiator. I know how to negotiate.” “Deals are my art form. I like making deals, preferably big deals.” “Nobody knows banking better than I do” “I understand money better than anybody.” “I know the details of health care better than most, better than most.” “I know more about the big bills than any president that’s ever been in office.” “I know the H1B. I know the H2B. Nobody knows it better than me.” “I know the best people.” “I know the smartest negotiators in the world. I know the good ones. I know the bad ones. I know the overrated ones.” “I’m really good at war.” “I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me.” “Nobody would be tougher on ISIS than Donald Trump.” “Nobody is bigger or better at the military than I am.” “I know more about offense and defense than they will ever understand.” “There’s nobody that understands the horror of nuclear better than me.” “Nobody is fighting for the veterans like I’m fighting for the veterans.” “Nobody’s better to people with disabilities than me.” “There’s nobody more pro-Israel than I am.” “Nobody knows jobs like I do!” “Nobody knows politicians better than I do.” “Nobody knows the game better than I do.” “Nobody knows the system better than me, which is why I alone can fix it.” “Nobody in the history of this country has ever known so much about infrastructure as Donald Trump.” “I know more about renewables than any human being on Earth.” “Nobody’s ever had crowds like [I’ve] had.” “Nobody can do it like me. Nobody. Nobody can do it like me, honestly.” “Nobody is stronger than me.” “It’s all because of me.” “I know words. I have the best words.”This sounds like melt. Is this a melt?

awax
03-13-2019, 10:36 PM
You just don’t understand! He is smarter than everyone else!

My point exactly. It doesn't help that the FAA is rudderless ship.

lowcountryflyer
03-14-2019, 05:00 AM
This sounds like melt. Is this a melt?

It has an acronym - TDS

airlinegypsy
03-14-2019, 05:11 AM
i think its a hellofa reach to think that all 609,000 American pilots would always do the right thing, but youd go with that eh?



Im guessing your not in training.



Where in the world did you come up with that number? Or does this include student pilots too?


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majorpilot
03-14-2019, 05:59 AM
You just don’t understand! He is smarter than everyone else!



“Very stable genius”...just look at his perfect college transcripts and off-the-chart board test scores...um, oh yeah, never mind!

How are those tax returns coming along?

majorpilot
03-14-2019, 06:07 AM
I'm going to guess you are the proud owner of one of those pink hats.

A few hundred people have been killed in a short period of time in a specific aircraft. I don't think it's unreasonable to ground the fleet until the cause can be determined. Way to inject your politics into the situation though. I'm sure if your boyfriend were one of the casualties, you'd be singing a different tune.


Better a pink hat than a red MAGA one!

And at least Putin isn’t the boyfriend of anyone in a pink hat...oh wait, can you count it as “boyfriend” when it’s just a 3am “come over now” call? Poor LittleHands ... he will never be no. 1 with Vlad ...

The relevant takeaway from all of these posts is that, in America, elected officials should defer to duly empowered experts. If the experts screw up, there is a remedy, and we can emplace new experts. Countries where the imperial leader make decisions they’re not qualified to make — and we will leave aside what on earth THIS guy would actually be qualified to make — are called dictatorships ... or banana republics.

lowcountryflyer
03-14-2019, 06:18 AM
Better a pink hat than a red MAGA one!

And at least Putin isn’t the boyfriend of anyone in a pink hat...oh wait, can you count it as “boyfriend” when it’s just a 3am “come over now” call? Poor LittleHands ... he will never be no. 1 with Vlad ...

The relevant takeaway from all of these posts is that, in America, elected officials should defer to duly empowered experts. If the experts screw up, there is a remedy, and we can emplace new experts. Countries where the imperial leader make decisions they’re not qualified to make — and we will leave aside what on earth THIS guy would actually be qualified to make — are called dictatorships ... or banana republics.

He is simply Making Aviation Great Again - get over it

lowcountryflyer
03-14-2019, 06:20 AM
“Very stable genius”...just look at his perfect college transcripts and off-the-chart board test scores...um, oh yeah, never mind!

How are those tax returns coming along?

Steve Jobs was a college drop out as was Bill Gates
What is your point except screaming at the sky for the next 5 years.

Arado 234
03-14-2019, 06:25 AM
Despite what the media is saying, it wasn't Trump; it was the FAA's decision to ground the MAX. Per the FAA website:

The FAA is ordering the temporary grounding of Boeing 737 MAX aircraft (PDF) operated by U.S. airlines or in U.S. territory. The agency made this decision as a result of the data gathering process and new evidence collected at the site and analyzed today. This evidence, together with newly refined satellite data available to FAA this morning, led to this decision.

The grounding will remain in effect pending further investigation, including examination of information from the aircraft’s flight data recorders and cockpit voice recorders. An FAA team is in Ethiopia assisting the NTSB as parties to the investigation of the Flight 302 accident. The agency will continue to investigate.


The question I have is whether the FAA knew about MCAS. If they did, why did they decide to withhold the info from operators? Or did Boeing not tell the FAA about it?

majorpilot
03-14-2019, 06:31 AM
Steve Jobs was a college drop out as was Bill Gates

What is your point except screaming at the sky for the next 5 years.


Gates and Jobs didn’t brag about their intelligence, test scores or grades. Each just went out and created world-changing entities. Your hero brought up his grades and test scores....so ask him what’s his point.

And speaking of screaming at the sky, there is enough of that on FoxNews, nothing for you here...just pesky “facts”...

Arado 234
03-14-2019, 06:33 AM
https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-safety/the-world-pulls-the-andon-cord-on-the-737-max/

I guess it's all American's fault!

majorpilot
03-14-2019, 06:33 AM
He is simply Making Aviation Great Again - get over it


Yep that shut down sure was a big step to help aviation. I’m sure the next one will be even better! [rolleyes]

Flightcap
03-14-2019, 06:37 AM
How are mods not deleting these posts yet?

rickair7777
03-14-2019, 06:45 AM
How are mods not deleting these posts yet?

Gotta have my coffee first. But you're right, thread closed.



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