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dera
03-17-2019, 10:04 PM
Check out flight MQ6085 on Flightaware.

(no. not serious.).


Ijustlikeflying
03-18-2019, 03:29 AM
Check out flight MQ6085 on Flightaware.

(no. not serious.).

Says operated by compass

bh539
03-18-2019, 05:35 AM
Says operated by compass

No it doesn't


ninerdriver
03-18-2019, 05:40 AM
Check out flight MQ6085 on Flightaware.

(no. not serious.).

There's also a CP6085.

You guys planning a drag race or something?

pitchattitude
03-18-2019, 06:22 AM
I canít remember the number, but I know there is at least one flight that regularly shows an MQ number but also shows an ASH number and is definitely flown by Mesa because I often commute on it. After it is actually flown, it only shows the Mesa flight. If you can find one that Envoy has actually flown, you might have something. All our regular flights are 3XXX or 4XXX. But when we pick up a flight that is dropped by someone else it should be a 93XX number.

Cyio
03-18-2019, 06:32 AM
I canít remember the number, but I know there is at least one flight that regularly shows an MQ number but also shows an ASH number and is definitely flown by Mesa because I often commute on it. After it is actually flown, it only shows the Mesa flight. If you can find one that Envoy has actually flown, you might have something. All our regular flights are 3XXX or 4XXX. But when we pick up a flight that is dropped by someone else it should be a 93XX number.
Great info, I didnít realize the 93xx was that. Thanks.

MD-11Loader
03-18-2019, 07:19 AM
It amazes me the hardon that people have for taking the LAX flying back. Itís not a good thing for us as a group. Why do we want to do more work for bottom rate wages?

pitchattitude
03-18-2019, 07:49 AM
It amazes me the hardon that people have for taking the LAX flying back. Itís not a good thing for us as a group. Why do we want to do more work for bottom rate wages?

It may or may not be good for Envoy pilots as a group, but there are a number of people here, both pilots and FAs, who it would be better for them, as individuals.

And then there are the people who would benefit, as individuals, by all the people above them that go to another base as well.

Just pointing this out. I donít want it to happen. It will be such a good recruiting tool for Envoy that they will be able to continue to fill classes with those extra bodies under our same miserable contract.

KodiakRS
03-18-2019, 08:17 AM
It will be such a good recruiting tool for Envoy that they will be able to continue to fill classes with those extra bodies under our same miserable contract.

I've flown with 2 FO's who came here because they heard we were opening a LAX base. Even after explaining to them how airline rumors work they both still remained hopeful and positive about LAX reopening.

I guess they'll just have to settle for an 8 year flow and eventually getting LAX 737/320.

NoValueAviator
03-18-2019, 10:13 AM
It amazes me the hardon that people have for taking the LAX flying back. Itís not a good thing for us as a group. Why do we want to do more work for bottom rate wages?

Well, I guess it depends on how you think it would affect recruiting. LAX base would probably bring the boys to the yard, even more so than today where hundreds of cadets are lining up every month to make worst-in-the-industry money. But if it didnít? Flying Envoy canít staff gives Envoy an incentive to up the ante. Theyíd probably just increase the bonus a little though.

Jamesthunder
04-27-2019, 11:51 AM
We had a brief talk with Pedro at HQ today. He said a Hawaii base is on the table. Or Fresno. He'll let us know Friday.

Soldier64
04-27-2019, 11:55 AM
He specifically did not say LAX. He did mention Alaska though.

TeeRainPULup
04-27-2019, 12:12 PM
Well if it is Hawaii we better sure as hell be the highest paid regional pilots

BigZ
04-27-2019, 12:14 PM
Well if it is Hawaii we better sure as hell be the highest paid regional pilots

Well, technically we are a major (together with Republic and SkyWest), soooo.....

Smutter
04-27-2019, 12:31 PM
It may or may not be good for Envoy pilots as a group, but there are a number of people here, both pilots and FAs, who it would be better for them, as individuals.

And then there are the people who would benefit, as individuals, by all the people above them that go to another base as well.

Just pointing this out. I donít want it to happen. It will be such a good recruiting tool for Envoy that they will be able to continue to fill classes with those extra bodies under our same miserable contract.
That's only reason LAX is a rumor here, because of the new rtp guys from out there. Not happening

Squirrel27
04-27-2019, 12:37 PM
That's only reason LAX is a rumor here, because of the new rtp guys from out there. Not happening

And Envoy used to have a base there. And American has a large hub there. And Envoy has a large ground operation there. And Compass operates a sizable flight operation there with AAG aircraft that were originally scheduled to be Eagle's before we were put in timeout. And their contract ends sometime (although nobody seems to know when exactly.)

I subscribe to the "believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see" idea in this industry. And I agree with you that an LA base is not as imminent as it's been for the past 2-5 years of rumors. I think most of it is what people are hoping for, and not based in real facts. But, there is more there than just the RTP thing. I believe the rumor even predates that program.

Voski
04-27-2019, 01:03 PM
Eagle used to have a BNA base. Iíd love a Nashville base.

pitchattitude
04-27-2019, 01:37 PM
Eagle used to have a BNA base. Iíd love a Nashville base.
Eagle also used to have a San Juan, Puerto Rico base. SJU. Letís bring that back. Iím going to officially start/revive that rumor.

Soldier64
04-27-2019, 02:35 PM
Eagle also used to have a San Juan, Puerto Rico base. SJU. Letís bring that back. Iím going to officially start/revive that rumor.

Someone asked Pedro about SJU specifically today and he said ďThatís never happening again.Ē For what thatís worth.

pitchattitude
04-27-2019, 02:49 PM
Someone asked Pedro about SJU specifically today and he said ďThatís never happening again.Ē For what thatís worth.
This is Envoy. Never let facts, logic or reality get in the way of a decision or rumor.

buddies8
04-27-2019, 04:40 PM
Instead of bits and pieces, why not just post all of what pedro said.

Jamesthunder
04-27-2019, 06:23 PM
Instead of bits and pieces, why not just post all of what pedro said.

It's hard to post all of it through the accent.

Cyio
04-27-2019, 06:54 PM
LAX is happening. July announcement. Or I could just need to use the LAV again. Iím torn.

The moose howls at the squirrel under a full summer moon.

NoValueAviator
04-28-2019, 04:43 AM
Iím surprised we donít already have a Charlotte base. A lot of LGA trips now are down to CLT followed by 3 days of 5 legs in and out of CLT. I assume because Piedmont canít staff it.

dash8trash
04-28-2019, 04:56 AM
Iím surprised we donít already have a Charlotte base. A lot of LGA trips now are down to CLT followed by 3 days of 5 legs in and out of CLT. I assume because Piedmont canít staff it.

I donít think itís a staffing issue, probably just routes better served by 135/140s. PDT is adding a decent amount of new flying next month bringing DCA into the mix.

friend
05-03-2019, 10:13 PM
Heard rumors from an American pilot LAX envoy base opening in August
Hard to believe lol!!!

flyboy94
05-04-2019, 12:41 AM
Heard rumors from an American pilot LAX envoy base opening in August
Hard to believe lol!!!

That I read somewhere Envoy cannot have any bases west of the Rockies. Or is that just a myth.

Cyio
05-04-2019, 03:33 AM
That I read somewhere Envoy cannot have any bases west of the Rockies. Or is that just a myth.

Myth. We used to have LAX so not sure why we couldn't again, in theory.

SilentLurker
05-04-2019, 06:18 AM
That I read somewhere Envoy cannot have any bases west of the Rockies. Or is that just a myth.



LAX is an Envoy base for both top side gates and bottom side ground service (someone correct me if Iím wrong). So technically LAX is already a base, just not for Envoy aircraft/flight crews.

I do believe Compass couldíve taken the DFW-Cali - DFW flights if asked. Hell even SKYWEST out of Dallas would gladly take that flying west. They selected Envoy. That is good news for Envoy.

A LAX aircraft & crew base for Envoy is a different story! Itís a different type of growth taking on 20 additional aircraft at new crew base (technically- Envoy now not Eagle). Does Envoy need growth right now?????????

bigtime209
05-04-2019, 06:32 AM
LAX is an Envoy base for both top side gates and bottom side ground service (someone correct me if Iím wrong). So technically LAX is already a base, just not for Envoy aircraft/flight crews.

I do believe Compass couldíve taken the DFW-Cali - DFW flights if asked. Hell even SKYWEST out of Dallas would gladly take that flying west. They selected Envoy. That is good news for Envoy.

A LAX aircraft & crew base for Envoy is a different story! Itís a different type of growth taking on 20 additional aircraft at new crew base (technically- Envoy now not Eagle). Does Envoy need growth right now?????????

Answer: No

NoValueAviator
05-04-2019, 06:55 AM
we need growth in our bid packets. Weíre taking on new planes but all theyíre doing is moving flying out of the 145 bid packets and dropping crappy lost days in every trip

MD-11Loader
05-04-2019, 10:15 AM
Envoy doesnít want a Cali base and to have to deal with pilots exploiting the work rules and labor laws out there. It will only add to their headache. Compass has 50 ish flights a day out of LAX. The company will find a way to do it via fly through. They craftier than the family of a dead Nigerian prince who left his money to you and just needs your SSN, checking account/routing number, and mothers maiden name in order to make you rich.

Patrickc
05-15-2019, 12:01 AM
Why are flights departing LAX going to other west coast cities like SD labeled as Envoy flights then?


https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ENY6043/history/20190516/0443Z/KLAX/KSAN

DilsonWic
05-15-2019, 03:50 AM
What does the NRTP say? Compass. FlightAware isnít accurate.

But I did hear that a friends boyfriends housekeeper has a daughter that is a FA for Envoy, she says LAX will be open within a fortnight.

pitchattitude
05-15-2019, 04:16 AM
Why are flights departing LAX going to other west coast cities like SD labeled as Envoy flights then?


https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ENY6043/history/20190516/0443Z/KLAX/KSAN

Look it up as an AAL flight and look at a flight that has already been flown. You will see CPZ. Also, Envoy revenue flights are 3XXX and 4XXX. CPZ uses 6XXX and ASH 5XXX for American flights. I have seen the same thing of flights listed as an ENY flight and ASH flight but were flown by ASH. Not sure why they do that.

But, even if it was ACTUALLY an ENY flight, ENY does through flying at other hubs as well. Such as CLT and DCA. Donít hear of Envoy getting a base there.

pitchattitude
05-15-2019, 04:18 AM
What does the NRTP say? Compass. FlightAware isnít accurate.

But I did hear that a friends boyfriends housekeeper has a daughter that is a FA for Envoy, she says LAX will be open within a fortnight.
Is that a twice a week thing or every two week thing?

LineUpAndPay
05-15-2019, 07:13 AM
I had a buddy who checked into the Ritz a little bit north of LAX near Santa Monica, he said that while they were checking in hotel staff was seen rolling up a banner that said “Welcome Envoy Flight Crews” and put it in a back room. I am pretty sure that means we are about to get some fly through at least with LAX overnights.

rld1k
05-15-2019, 07:26 AM
What does the NRTP say? Compass. FlightAware isnít accurate.

But I did hear that a friends boyfriends housekeeper has a daughter that is a FA for Envoy, she says LAX will be open within a fortnight.

I heard we should get an update bifortnightly

pitchattitude
05-15-2019, 08:00 AM
I had a buddy who checked into the Ritz a little bit north of LAX near Santa Monica, he said that while they were checking in hotel staff was seen rolling up a banner that said ďWelcome Envoy Flight CrewsĒ and put it in a back room. I am pretty sure that means we are about to get some fly through at least with LAX overnights.
The Ritz. Yeah. If you had said LaQuinta or Holiday Inn, it might have a little more cred.

crj700
05-15-2019, 10:25 AM
What does the NRTP say? Compass. FlightAware isnít accurate.

But I did hear that a friends boyfriends housekeeper has a daughter that is a FA for Envoy, she says LAX will be open within a fortnight.

Thank you, Simone.

CO Jones
05-22-2019, 11:58 AM
The Ritz. Yeah. If you had said LaQuinta or Holiday Inn, it might have a little more cred.
He didn't say Ritz Carlton, but this one fits the bill https://theritzonberendo.bhprop.com/ or this one https://www.ritzapartmentliving.com/

pitchattitude
06-15-2019, 02:39 PM
I guess Compass is going to get their contract renewed.

Envoy canít staff those 20 planes from Compass and LAX now that they reneged on a pay increase.

UncreativeUser
06-15-2019, 03:38 PM
I guess Compass is going to get their contract renewed.



Envoy canít staff those 20 planes from Compass and LAX now that they reneged on a pay increase.



Source?


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Soldier64
06-15-2019, 04:11 PM
The company wonít need to pay us when the announce LAX. West coast folks will fill classes.

pitchattitude
06-15-2019, 06:00 PM
Source?


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You missed the point. Without a pay raise and Envoy having definitively said they wonít give a pay raise, there will be more people bail and fewer people come to Envoy. If AAG sees Envoy unable to staff, they are more likely to renew the Compass contract, or at least extend it.

UncreativeUser
06-15-2019, 06:07 PM
You missed the point. Without a pay raise and Envoy having definitively said they wonít give a pay raise, there will be more people bail and fewer people come to Envoy. If AAG sees Envoy unable to staff, they are more likely to renew the Compass contract, or at least extend it.



Thatís just negative thinking, but not an unrealistic thought. However I think for that to happen we are gonna have to go more than one class to be less than 10 pilots, right?


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pitchattitude
06-15-2019, 06:18 PM
Thatís just negative thinking,


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Actually, thatís positive thinking. That Envoy has taken a step that defines their position as opposed to just doing nothing and kicking the can down the runway.

UncreativeUser
06-15-2019, 06:49 PM
Actually, thatís positive thinking. That Envoy has taken a step that defines their position as opposed to just doing nothing and kicking the can down the runway.



Sorry for some reason it only posted one sentence, I re-edited it.

Itís deflating for sure I agree with you on that.


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amcnd
06-15-2019, 08:45 PM
The company wonít need to pay us when the announce LAX. West coast folks will fill classes.

Exactly. Donít underestimate the power of a shiny jet on the west coast... it got me back in 1998. Eagle Saab LAX base...

pitchattitude
06-15-2019, 09:11 PM
The company wonít need to pay us when the announce LAX. West coast folks will fill classes.
I have said this for some time, myself. But if AAG thinks Envoy canít staff them, there will be no announcement.

Hopefully Envoy pulling out and shooting a blank will finally start to hurt recruitment.

Big C
06-24-2019, 05:25 AM
The CA im flying with interviewed last week and was hired for the LAX chief pilot position. He comes off the line next week to begin some sort of training in DFW.

pitchattitude
06-24-2019, 05:36 AM
The CA im flying with interviewed last week and was hired for the LAX chief pilot position. He comes off the line next week to begin some sort of training in DFW.
Yeah. Been hearing that for the last six months or more. You pull his HI10?

buddies8
06-24-2019, 05:38 AM
Actually if not wrong, the company cannot do that without posting a vacancy for it. Guess they can say it's a non active base and get around it. Or, as has been before, they select the one they want in the position then put a vacancy bid out to comply with rules.

Cyio
06-24-2019, 06:46 AM
Actually if not wrong, the company cannot do that without posting a vacancy for it. Guess they can say it's a non active base and get around it. Or, as has been before, they select the one they want in the position then put a vacancy bid out to comply with rules.

Yeah they have ways around this and it is done all the time with companies. You know the person you want, basically offer them the position and then throw a job posting up at the last minute giving people time to apply. Its just an HR checkbox that needs filled.

However, we have been hearing this forever and nothing has come of it so, I am skeptical. Honestly I hope I am very wrong.

Squirrel27
06-24-2019, 06:56 AM
Yeah they have ways around this and it is done all the time with companies. You know the person you want, basically offer them the position and then throw a job posting up at the last minute giving people time to apply. Its just an HR checkbox that needs filled.

However, we have been hearing this forever and nothing has come of it so, I am skeptical. Honestly I hope I am very wrong.

IF you are wrong, (and that's a big if), I hope we get the AIP before LA opens. Imagine the flood of new cadets we'll get from the west coast.

Cyio
06-24-2019, 07:16 AM
IF you are wrong, (and that's a big if), I hope we get the AIP before LA opens. Imagine the flood of new cadets we'll get from the west coast.

Yes we will get new applicants, but I think it would take awhile. Any new base would need 4-6 months of prep before even opening. If that held true, I think most that are ready to go 121 will be looking at Skywest for their immediate 121 job. Once we get LAX, I am confident the flood gates would open.

I agree though, the AIP needs to come first.

Squirrel27
06-24-2019, 07:23 AM
Yes we will get new applicants, but I think it would take awhile. Any new base would need 4-6 months of prep before even opening. If that held true, I think most that are ready to go 121 will be looking at Skywest for their immediate 121 job. Once we get LAX, I am confident the flood gates would open.

I agree though, the AIP needs to come first.

I was pretty new when MIA reopened and don't remember; how long after it was announced was our first flying there? 4-6 months? Same with NY before that?

Did they do a special vacancy bid for it? Or if they announced LA tomorrow, would the bid for it likely be 3 months from now in the "regularly scheduled" vacancy?

dera
06-24-2019, 08:18 AM
The CA im flying with interviewed last week and was hired for the LAX chief pilot position. He comes off the line next week to begin some sort of training in DFW.

That guy has been telling that same story for a long time.

rld1k
06-24-2019, 08:23 AM
The CA im flying with interviewed last week and was hired for the LAX chief pilot position. He comes off the line next week to begin some sort of training in DFW.

Stop spreading the rumor it's BS

Cyio
06-24-2019, 09:15 AM
I was pretty new when MIA reopened and don't remember; how long after it was announced was our first flying there? 4-6 months? Same with NY before that?

Did they do a special vacancy bid for it? Or if they announced LA tomorrow, would the bid for it likely be 3 months from now in the "regularly scheduled" vacancy?

There would be vacancy. Again this has been a rumor now for nearly three years, so I wouldn't get to excited just yet. However, I wouldn't be blown over if they announced it. I have heard for some time that they announcement would come in July, so we shall see.

chrisreedrules
06-24-2019, 11:27 AM
Summer 2020. Envoy LAX. PSA DFW.

MD-11Loader
06-24-2019, 12:19 PM
Summer 2020. Envoy LAX. PSA DFW.

Canít wait for lavstreak to try and come into our crewroom. Hope the find you somewhere by B3 so we arenít anywhere near you all.

Cyio
06-24-2019, 02:10 PM
Canít wait for lavstreak to try and come into our crewroom. Hope the find you somewhere by B3 so we arenít anywhere near you all.
Your not DFW based anyway, so thankfully wonít have to deal with them. Lol

MD-11Loader
06-24-2019, 02:16 PM
Your not DFW based anyway, so thankfully wonít have to deal with them. Lol

I feel like I am. I spend enough time sitting around there lately because of the weather and weird schedules.

chrisreedrules
06-24-2019, 02:55 PM
Canít wait for lavstreak to try and come into our crewroom. Hope the find you somewhere by B3 so we arenít anywhere near you all.

I believe itís pronounced Brownstreak...

UnprotectdPilot
07-25-2019, 03:16 PM
When does AAG's 175 flying with Compass expire? You know, for LAX rumor stuff and reasons.

buddies8
07-25-2019, 03:40 PM
They way things expire here, never.
Republic and skywest are still here and growing every month. Compass is safe with those airplanes. Rumor is rumor, just to entice rookies.

Delta757Fan
08-06-2019, 05:17 PM
As a CP employee, any truth to the rumor that Envoy already hired/picked a chief pilot for LAX?

bORD
08-06-2019, 05:18 PM
As a CP employee, any truth to the rumor that Envoy already hired/picked a chief pilot for LAX?

No.

Filler

smtx123
08-06-2019, 05:22 PM
As a CP employee, any truth to the rumor that Envoy already hired/picked a chief pilot for LAX?

We have an individual here that goes around and says it to everyone. Nothing to back it up with.

BigZ
08-06-2019, 06:21 PM
We have an individual here that goes around and says it to everyone. Nothing to back it up with.
Heard there's more than one now

bigtime209
08-06-2019, 06:59 PM
As a CP employee, any truth to the rumor that Envoy already hired/picked a chief pilot for LAX?

Even if there was a CP hired for LAX, that information would be kept completely confidential under an NDA. The DFW based CA going around telling everyone that he comes in contact with that he's been hired as the LAX CP is full of excrement. Now, having said that, there have been members of management here that have straight up said that AAG will in fact be transferring the 20 planes at Compass to Envoy. Personally, I won't believe it until I see it.

pitchattitude
08-06-2019, 07:11 PM
Even if there was a CP hired for LAX, that information would be kept completely confidential under an NDA. The DFW based CA going around telling everyone that he comes in contact with that he's been hired as the LAX CP is full of excrement. Now, having said that, there have been members of management here that have straight up said that AAG will in fact be transferring the 20 planes at Compass to Envoy. Personally, I won't believe it until I see it.
Take it for what itís worth. RN said the end of the Compass contract is sometime early next year and roughly corresponds to the time when we finish taking our current new 175s. He said probably 80% likely to get the planes, but doesnít necessarily mean we get LAX back.

Envoy getting those 20 planes back also correlates with what AAG has said about wanting to deal with fewer regionals and have them more significant in size. I believe Compass is the smallest contract AAG has. It also follows with Compass being exclusively a Delta Connection.

Itís not like they would come all at once. Compass probably got them about two a month and they would probably come off contract the same way so it wouldnít be a big hit to either company.

But, all that makes way too much sense. Iím not holding my breath or losing any sleep over it.

dera
08-06-2019, 07:42 PM
As a CP employee, any truth to the rumor that Envoy already hired/picked a chief pilot for LAX?

The person who keeps telling that story will never be hired to any sort of management position. So no truth to that rumor.

Wishing you guys all the best.

ENH017
08-06-2019, 08:01 PM
How much of a advance warning was there before MIA reopened? I would have to imagine the company has a "break in case of LAX base openening" box stashed somewhere.

pitchattitude
08-06-2019, 08:28 PM
How much of a advance warning was there before MIA reopened? I would have to imagine the company has a "break in case of LAX base openening" box stashed somewhere.
I think it was only about sixty days. Envoy and the union wants more but AAG holds the cards here.

Pretty sure if anyplace has a contingency plan for opening it is certainly LAX.

BigZ
08-06-2019, 08:41 PM
It also follows with Compass being exclusively a Delta Connection.


I'm gonna guess you weren't following the news today

pitchattitude
08-06-2019, 09:29 PM
I'm gonna guess you weren't following the news today

No. Do tell.

dera
08-06-2019, 09:32 PM
No. Do tell.

I think he is referring to the fact that Delta kicked Compass out today.

Propeller
08-06-2019, 09:39 PM
No. Do tell.

Have a look over at the Compass and GoJet forums. Delta is consolidating their regionals.

pitchattitude
08-06-2019, 09:42 PM
I think he is referring to the fact that Delta kicked Compass out today.
Just looked it up. Ouch. I guess that explains why someone from Compass is more concerned about losing AA flying as well.

I guess Delta has decided what AAG has that its better to have fewer large regionals than a bunch of little ones.

BobbyLeeSwagger
08-07-2019, 12:49 PM
Envoy FOs excited about the compass news be like-

https://i.imgflip.com/37h4fz.jpg

pitchattitude
08-07-2019, 12:58 PM
Envoy FOs excited about the compass news be like-

https://i.imgflip.com/37h4fz.jpg

Actually, no. The planes Compass flies for Delta have no bearing on what happens at Envoy.

BobbyLeeSwagger
08-07-2019, 02:28 PM
Actually, no. The planes Compass flies for Delta have no bearing on what happens at Envoy.

Yep I don't think the guy in the picture gets that ;)

UncreativeUser
08-07-2019, 04:58 PM
Yep I don't think the guy in the picture gets that ;)


LAX is inevitably at this point for us, Compass is just a staffing company now. Which, as someone from MSP, that is really sad for me to say since I wanted to works for Compass, itís too bad management is running the place into the ground.


Quit while youíre ahead on this one Bobby, I do enjoy the memes as always though!

BobbyLeeSwagger
08-07-2019, 05:22 PM
LAX is inevitably at this point for us, Compass is just a staffing company now. Which, as someone from MSP, that is really sad for me to say since I wanted to works for Compass, itís too bad management is running the place into the ground.


Quit while youíre ahead on this one Bobby, I do enjoy the memes as always though!

Thanks man! I agree, actually. I got a couple opportunities this month, hopefully I'll be gone. All the best to the envoy guys as well!

UncreativeUser
08-07-2019, 05:30 PM
Thanks man! I agree, actually. I got a couple opportunities this month, hopefully I'll be gone. All the best to the envoy guys as well!



Thanks as well bro! Good luck in the opportunities, you guys deserve the best right now.


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bigtime209
08-07-2019, 08:06 PM
Thanks man! I agree, actually.I got a couple opportunities this month, hopefully I'll be gone. All the best to the envoy guys as well!

Excellent. Good luck BLS!

MD-11Loader
08-07-2019, 08:32 PM
LAX is inevitably at this point for us, Compass is just a staffing company now.

What do you think envoy is? The planes were all transferred from our ownership a long time ago. We just happen to have AAG above us supplying us with flying.

buddies8
08-08-2019, 08:30 AM
If you look at aag practice, they have at least two different regional per hub.
So with if aa takes compass flying back and skw still in lax for aa it does leave an opening for a second regional in lax, the question is just who will it be.
Personally if envoy is in equation I would expect flying through lax more than a base there. If mesa cuts a deal with aa, mesa would be an option for aa in lax.
Just like everything in the regional industry, discuss all you want, no one will know until it's made public by mainline. There are at least 2 years to go for a decision on the lax rumor mill.

UncreativeUser
08-08-2019, 01:43 PM
What do you think envoy is? The planes were all transferred from our ownership a long time ago. We just happen to have AAG above us supplying us with flying.



That would make us a staffing company completely owned by a major. Thatís better than NOT being dependent on contracts if your not Skywest or Republic


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blackbox348
08-12-2019, 08:00 AM
So....LAX?

jake cutter
08-12-2019, 10:16 AM
Check back on Weds .

Eagle Flight
08-12-2019, 09:26 PM
Should we be excited?

mketch11
08-12-2019, 10:03 PM
Why do so many people want LAX so bad? Almost everyone (who will flow) and was hired when LAX was a base at Envoy has left. The major problem we have as pilots at this airline is our sh*t quality of life. And what does the company say every time we ask for improvements? ďNo because classes are full.Ē LAX would just add a gigantic pool of new applicants for recruiting to pick from. Rumor is PSA is coming to DFW which could seriously hurt recruiting at Envoy as we will no longer be the best option in DFW with flow. Now you are wanting a new base? Why? We have a slim chance to actually get back some of the leverage we have squandered away as of recent. And if you came here just because you heard the rumor that LAX was coming back, then I have no sympathy. Who else does that leave? You guys just want overnights on the west coast? Please enlighten me on why the LAX base is your white buffalo.

Envoy12
08-13-2019, 04:00 AM
Why do so many people want LAX so bad? Almost everyone (who will flow) and was hired when LAX was a base at Envoy has left. The major problem we have as pilots at this airline is our sh*t quality of life. And what does the company say every time we ask for improvements? ďNo because classes are full.Ē LAX would just add a gigantic pool of new applicants for recruiting to pick from. Rumor is PSA is coming to DFW which could seriously hurt recruiting at Envoy as we will no longer be the best option in DFW with flow. Now you are wanting a new base? Why? We have a slim chance to actually get back some of the leverage we have squandered away as of recent. And if you came here just because you heard the rumor that LAX was coming back, then I have no sympathy. Who else does that leave? You guys just want overnights on the west coast? Please enlighten me on why the LAX base is your white buffalo.


Some of us do actually live on the west coast...not really a hard concept to grasp. I understand your point about why you donít want it to open but the reason people would want it is pretty obvious

mketch11
08-13-2019, 04:09 AM
Some of us do actually live on the west coast...not really a hard concept to grasp. I understand your point about why you donít want it to open but the reason people would want it is pretty obvious

Iím not saying there are people who donít live there, but maybe a few too many folks who lived two time zones away from the nearest domicile, came to work for a company with no evidence to believe that would ever change. Like I said, I feel sorry for those who started working here and who lived on the west coast only to have LAX close on them as I know a couple of them personally

Envoy12
08-13-2019, 06:32 AM
Iím not saying there are people who donít live there, but maybe a few too many folks who lived two time zones away from the nearest domicile, came to work for a company with no evidence to believe that would ever change. Like I said, I feel sorry for those who started working here and who lived on the west coast only to have LAX close on them as I know a couple of them personally

I agree if someone came to Envoy because they believed LAX was inevitable, they made a mistake. I made the choice to come to Envoy knowing my commute would suck but LAX opening would be great for me personally. Not necessarily the best thing for the pilot group.

pitchattitude
08-13-2019, 08:15 AM
Why do so many people want LAX so bad? Almost everyone (who will flow) and was hired when LAX was a base at Envoy has left. The major problem we have as pilots at this airline is our sh*t quality of life. And what does the company say every time we ask for improvements? ďNo because classes are full.Ē LAX would just add a gigantic pool of new applicants for recruiting to pick from. Rumor is PSA is coming to DFW which could seriously hurt recruiting at Envoy as we will no longer be the best option in DFW with flow. Now you are wanting a new base? Why? We have a slim chance to actually get back some of the leverage we have squandered away as of recent. And if you came here just because you heard the rumor that LAX was coming back, then I have no sympathy. Who else does that leave? You guys just want overnights on the west coast? Please enlighten me on why the LAX base is your white buffalo.
I agree, and have said for some time, that if Envoy gets LAX it will be a huge recruiting boost. Part of the reason that a lot of people want LAX is the obvious, but not just west coast, but Rockies and west. And everyone thinks it will come with more 175s. And the reality is that all the people who flock to LAX will increase relative seniority in DFW and ORD for everyone who stays there.

The other thing is for people who are preaching flow, after the 10-11 crowd, flow is tied to number of people on the seniority list. Itís a Ponzi scheme. Get people in underneath you so you can get pushed out.

amcnd
08-14-2019, 09:48 AM
I was LAX based for Eagle. I can see why people want it back. It was one of the starting points. Best time of my life LAX Saab flying...

blackbox348
08-15-2019, 01:52 PM
Check back on Weds .

Nada......

Crimson37Roger
08-15-2019, 05:50 PM
Nada......

FA said thereís a big announcement this Friday.

pitchattitude
08-15-2019, 06:19 PM
FA said thereís a big announcement this Friday.

They tell you they heard it from the internet on APC? 🤣

450knotOffice
08-15-2019, 11:51 PM
I was LAX based for Eagle. I can see why people want it back. It was one of the starting points. Best time of my life LAX Saab flying...

I may have flown with you. I was a Saab CA at LAX from late Ď98 to early Ď02, then back again as a EMB145 CA from late 2003 to early 2012.

amcnd
08-16-2019, 06:05 AM
I may have flown with you. I was a Saab CA at LAX from late Ď98 to early Ď02, then back again as a EMB145 CA from late 2003 to early 2012.

Yep i was there as a FO from 99-01 in the Saab.

s3cLyfe
08-28-2019, 11:53 AM
If compass doesnít end up getting more flying soon, then this juicy rumor will become a reality. It wonít be viable for compass to sustain a 20 airplane operation.

smtx123
08-28-2019, 12:38 PM
If compass doesnít end up getting more flying soon, then this juicy rumor will become a reality. It wonít be viable for compass to sustain a 20 airplane operation.

Have they given you guys any other updates on the supposed new flying partnership?

Excargodog
08-28-2019, 12:42 PM
If compass doesnít end up getting more flying soon, then this juicy rumor will become a reality. It wonít be viable for compass to sustain a 20 airplane operation.

Very true. Similarly, they may HAVE to give it up due to scope issues in order to become the cadre for Moxy.


Arenít APC rumors fun? :D

buddies8
08-28-2019, 12:52 PM
I'll go they low ball everyone to aag and have contract extended plus add 10 e175's. Why, because aag is a shi+ corporation.

Excargodog
08-28-2019, 01:14 PM
Have they given you guys any other updates on the supposed new flying partnership?

Vaporware so far....

s3cLyfe
08-28-2019, 01:35 PM
Have they given you guys any other updates on the supposed new flying partnership?

Nothing

Filler

Varsity
08-28-2019, 02:37 PM
I'll go they low ball everyone to aag and have contract extended plus add 10 e175's. Why, because aag is a shi+ corporation.

We didn't want the pay raise. They forced it on us.

buddies8
08-28-2019, 03:14 PM
We didn't want the pay raise. They forced it on us.

There pay is higher than ours on e175. Were still bottom feeder at envoy.

martyByrde
10-17-2019, 10:13 PM
Is this still a thing?

ENH017
10-17-2019, 10:50 PM
Is this still a thing?

Someone bumped the LAX thread, LAX base confirmed

HalyardJammer
10-18-2019, 12:15 AM
Someone bumped the LAX thread, LAX base confirmed

Neider told my upgrade group that he is about 90% certain that we will get the compass planes, but does not think we will get the base. He believes that skywest will get LAX. He also stated that he only anticipates growing the airline by about 150 next year. So current level plus 150.

I just don't think we're doing the hiring needed to open a base. Class 3 weeks ago had 17 people in it.

Timbird
10-18-2019, 02:46 AM
Neider told my upgrade group that he is about 90% certain that we will get the compass planes, but does not think we will get the base. He believes that skywest will get LAX. He also stated that he only anticipates growing the airline by about 150 next year. So current level plus 150.

I just don't think we're doing the hiring needed to open a base. Class 3 weeks ago had 17 people in it.

A west coast base announcement would help recruiting. Management is smart.

Pedro4President
10-18-2019, 07:17 AM
A west coast base announcement would help recruiting. Management is smart.

Rumors of west coast base helps recruiting. Mic Drop.

MD-11Loader
10-18-2019, 08:06 AM
Neider told my upgrade group that he is about 90% certain that we will get the compass planes, but does not think we will get the base. He believes that skywest will get LAX. He also stated that he only anticipates growing the airline by about 150 next year. So current level plus 150.

I just don't think we're doing the hiring needed to open a base. Class 3 weeks ago had 17 people in it.

It would make sense for AAG to shuffle the regional feed and give LAX to SkyWest. 20 more planes spread between DFW and ORD could improve the flight file.

If Envoy is on track to hire its fly goal for 2019, then I can see why they would be ok with a small class here and there. The last class was a normal size.

smtx123
10-18-2019, 09:07 AM
It would make sense for AAG to shuffle the regional feed and give LAX to SkyWest. 20 more planes spread between DFW and ORD could improve the flight file.

If Envoy is on track to hire its fly goal for 2019, then I can see why they would be ok with a small class here and there. The last class was a normal size.

Thereís also the possibility of us doing through flying in LAX, just no base, like the CRJ years ago.

When they say add 150, if you take into account normal attrition and flow, then thatís still around 4-500 pilots needed next year.

pitchattitude
10-18-2019, 11:49 AM
Neider told my upgrade group that he is about 90% certain that we will get the compass planes, but does not think we will get the base. He believes that skywest will get LAX. He also stated that he only anticipates growing the airline by about 150 next year. So current level plus 150.

I just don't think we're doing the hiring needed to open a base. Class 3 weeks ago had 17 people in it.

This is consistent with what I heard from him early this summer. He didn't mention Skywest getting LAX but did say that getting the planes didn't necessarily mean getting the base.


It would make sense for AAG to shuffle the regional feed and give LAX to SkyWest. 20 more planes spread between DFW and ORD could improve the flight file.

If Envoy is on track to hire its fly goal for 2019, then I can see why they would be ok with a small class here and there. The last class was a normal size.

More planes and flights would hopefully help the flight file and QOL.

Getting LAX as a base would help recruiting and anyone that commutes from the west as well as benefiting some relative seniority as DFW and ORD based west coast pilots transferred out as well. But that would likely end up diluting the flight file again so probably no real improvement.

Cyio
10-18-2019, 12:21 PM
Neider has been telling that story for years.

HalyardJammer
10-18-2019, 02:34 PM
Neider has been telling that story for years.

Well the contract is actually about to end now.

pitchattitude
10-18-2019, 02:53 PM
Well the contract is actually about to end now.

What is your source for the date?

Neider said next April. But the planes werenít all delivered at the same time, so maybe, likely?, come off contract at the same rate of roughly two per month? Compass folks still think they are keeping them, but if they donít have anything else to replace Delta flying, they couldnít keep a contract going with only 20 planes if they wanted to. But if Compass does get more flying, likely it will be from Mesa, so they will be in trouble. Either way, I think there will be some consolidation over the next year. Delta for one has said they want to eliminate 50 seaters. I donít know the specifics of their contract and scope, but that likely means less regional and more mainline with something like the A220, which they are already flying.

HalyardJammer
10-18-2019, 03:00 PM
What is your source for the date?

Neider said next April.

Just repeating what was said in class.

Furthermore, that question wasn't really answered.

He was asked if they lose the contract, would we suddenly find ourselves with 20 planes?
He responded with they would need to be cleaned first.

So where do those planes sit in interim?
Responded with a non-answer.

BobbyLeeSwagger
10-18-2019, 04:59 PM
He responded with they would need to be cleaned first.


I can confirm this.. Today I was enjoying one of the grain free coco-granola snacks (which are amazing btw) and afterward tossed it into the trash bag except I missed and spilled crumbs all over the floor :/

I know, *cool story bro*

MD-11Loader
10-18-2019, 07:50 PM
I can confirm this.. Today I was enjoying one of the grain free coco-granola snacks (which are amazing btw) and afterward tossed it into the trash bag except I missed and spilled crumbs all over the floor :/

I know, *cool story bro*

Did you grind them into the floor Rick James as portrayed on Chapelleís show?

Bike Handles
10-19-2019, 03:37 PM
Compass folks still think they are keeping them, but if they donít have anything else to replace Delta flying, they couldnít keep a contract going with only 20 planes if they wanted to. But if Compass does get more flying, likely it will be from Mesa, so they will be in trouble. Either way, I think there will be some consolidation over the next year.

Rumors swirling that we may be in talks (or even already negotiated) early termination of the AA contract due to our future flying "opportunity" that has yet to reveal itself, but most people believe it's involving UAX flying.

ninerdriver
10-20-2019, 11:41 AM
Can confirm the rumor that AA is selling Envoy to Compass so Envoy pilots can have a west coast base and TSH can have something else to **** up.

Dedek93
10-20-2019, 12:03 PM
As i know it's unfortunately true.

Copper
10-20-2019, 02:03 PM
As i know it's unfortunately true.

Please tell me this is a joke!

buddies8
10-20-2019, 04:38 PM
First look at who are running aag and american, then ask how many times have they shot themselves in the foot, then you have your answer.