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pilot6969
03-18-2019, 02:37 PM
Seems like such a long shot. Thoughts?


Varsity
03-18-2019, 02:44 PM
As long as classes are getting filled, no.

bigtime209
03-18-2019, 02:47 PM
As long as classes are getting filled, no.

This^^^^^^^


MD-11Loader
03-18-2019, 02:53 PM
Classes are being filled so why should they? Thereís no incentive for AAG to do so.

The key to getting a raise lies with Piedmont. They are actually shrinking from attrition, Captain upgrade classes are being delayed and the mess that they created is growing. That is the best hope for the wholly owned carriers to see a raise.

chrisreedrules
03-18-2019, 03:43 PM
Classes are being filled so why should they? Thereís no incentive for AAG to do so.

The key to getting a raise lies with Piedmont. They are actually shrinking from attrition, Captain upgrade classes are being delayed and the mess that they created is growing. That is the best hope for the wholly owned carriers to see a raise.

At this point I believe theyíd just raise pay at Piedmont or raise bonuses there as needed to fix the problems and not give anything to the other WOs. Past performance does not predict future results I think.

NoValueAviator
03-18-2019, 04:01 PM
No, they made the right call by holding off on raises when everyone else was getting them. Applicants are responding to the perception that regional scene is improving and totally unprecedented numbers of new commercial pilots are being minted every year at big pilot mills like ATP, Riddle and UND. These people live w/ their parents, have no expenses, and would compete aggressively to fly for FREE at Envoy if they get to take selfies in the 175 and get a 10 year flow date. Welcome to the pilot glut.

chrisreedrules
03-18-2019, 04:43 PM
No, they made the right call by holding off on raises when everyone else was getting them. Applicants are responding to the perception that regional scene is improving and totally unprecedented numbers of new commercial pilots are being minted every year at big pilot mills like ATP, Riddle and UND. These people live w/ their parents, have no expenses, and would compete aggressively to fly for FREE at Envoy if they get to take selfies in the 175 and get a 10 year flow date. Welcome to the pilot glut.

I sort of agree. But I think the caveat is that even with the current numbers of prospective pilots there still wonít be enough fresh blood entering the industry to satiate the coming retirements.

But generally speaking I no longer believe there was/is a pilot shortage. There was a temporary squeeze around 2016. And some airlines threw money at the squeeze while others got creative with RTP and pipeline cadet programs etc which have been and are starting to pay off.

I think the future challenge will be keeping up with having enough qualified Captains to staff your flying. You can hire an FO, but nothing changes the fact that it takes roughly 2-2.5 years to get them the qualifications to legally become a 121 Captain. Within about 3 years the sucking sound coming from the legacy airlines draining the pool dry of qualified regional CA candidates will be hard to ignore.

wiz5422
03-18-2019, 04:45 PM
No, they made the right call by holding off on raises when everyone else was getting them. Applicants are responding to the perception that regional scene is improving and totally unprecedented numbers of new commercial pilots are being minted every year at big pilot mills like ATP, Riddle and UND. These people live w/ their parents, have no expenses, and would compete aggressively to fly for FREE at Envoy if they get to take selfies in the 175 and get a 10 year flow date. Welcome to the pilot glut.


So true......

Pilots are their worse enemy. If only we will hold off from accepting a class here, they would have to increase the pay. SHORT TERM PAIN FOR LONG TERM GAIN.

dera
03-18-2019, 05:06 PM
So true......

Pilots are their worse enemy. If only we will hold off from accepting a class here, they would have to increase the pay. SHORT TERM PAIN FOR LONG TERM GAIN.

Will you be the first one to lead by example?

Thought so.

UncreativeUser
03-18-2019, 05:20 PM
No, they made the right call by holding off on raises when everyone else was getting them. Applicants are responding to the perception that regional scene is improving and totally unprecedented numbers of new commercial pilots are being minted every year at big pilot mills like ATP, Riddle and UND. These people live w/ their parents, have no expenses, and would compete aggressively to fly for FREE at Envoy if they get to take selfies in the 175 and get a 10 year flow date. Welcome to the pilot glut.



Lol true

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bh539
03-18-2019, 05:50 PM
So true......

Pilots are their worse enemy. If only we will hold off from accepting a class here, they would have to increase the pay. SHORT TERM PAIN FOR LONG TERM GAIN.

Love reading this from people that are currently employed at a regional. Why don't you resign then and take some short term pain.

mketch11
03-18-2019, 06:46 PM
Raises are coming soon, probably right about the time the LAX base is opening up, which according to the FA I flew with today, is right around the corner. Too bad for me though because apparently itís only going to be a 175 base :(
Glad she already knows the equipment in the non-existent base though, that must mean itís that much more likely right?
On a side note, did anyone else notice that the flow grievance loa we passes a while back completely concedes any future grievances on anything other than the bare minimum for the next two groups? Glad we gave that up. Iím sure the company will scratch our backs any day now with more money. Oh wait, they are decreasing profit sharing? Nvmd. Guess Iíll just keep being optimistic for no reason and wasting my life commenting on threads about how the company is probably going to improve my life out of the goodness of its heart. Corporations are people too you know...

Excargodog
03-18-2019, 07:16 PM
If flow is the carrot, guess who the donkey is?

bigtime209
03-18-2019, 07:16 PM
Raises are coming soon, probably right about the time the LAX base is opening up, which according to the FA I flew with today, is right around the corner. Too bad for me though because apparently itís only going to be a 175 base :(
Glad she already knows the equipment in the non-existent base though, that must mean itís that much more likely right?
On a side note, did anyone else notice that the flow grievance loa we passes a while back completely concedes any future grievances on anything other than the bare minimum for the next two groups? Glad we gave that up. Iím sure the company will scratch our backs any day now with more money. Oh wait, they are decreasing profit sharing? Nvmd. Guess Iíll just keep being optimistic for no reason and wasting my life commenting on threads about how the company is probably going to improve my life out of the goodness of its heart. Corporations are people too you know...

Ahhhh...good ol' FA intel. I've gotten some great info from FAs. Let's see, off the top of my head some of the great tidbits from FAs I've heard over the years: Mesa was going to be out of DFW by fall of 2013, we'd be adding the extra FA jumpseat to the 175s, the ovens were to be added on the 175, we were opening bases in DCA, PHL, LAX, reopening San Juan. All of these were amongst all kinds of other spot on intel I've gotten from FAs.

bigtime209
03-18-2019, 07:19 PM
If flow is the carrot, guess who the donkey is?

What's the carrot over your way?

pitchattitude
03-18-2019, 07:26 PM
Raises are coming soon, probably right about the time the LAX base is opening up, which according to the FA I flew with today, is right around the corner. Too bad for me though because apparently itís only going to be a 175 base :(
Glad she already knows the equipment in the non-existent base though, that must mean itís that much more likely right?
On a side note, did anyone else notice that the flow grievance loa we passes a while back completely concedes any future grievances on anything other than the bare minimum for the next two groups? Glad we gave that up. Iím sure the company will scratch our backs any day now with more money. Oh wait, they are decreasing profit sharing? Nvmd. Guess Iíll just keep being optimistic for no reason and wasting my life commenting on threads about how the company is probably going to improve my life out of the goodness of its heart. Corporations are people too you know...
The FA I flew with said that one of the gate agents told him they would let anyone west of DFW change to the 175, even FOs. And because cost of living is so high there that everyone would get pay raises.

So I guess it is true, when they open LAX we will get raises.

wiz5422
03-18-2019, 07:27 PM
Will you be the first one to lead by example?

Thought so.

During my time, I choose not to apply to the bottom feeders like Mesa. Instead I chosed Eagle an airline that had a 10 year upgrade (the longest at the time) but one of the best contracts at the time.

I also voted no during the bankruptcy contracts willing and able to deal with the Comair threats that were facing us if it happened.

So yes I did lead by example.

Excargodog
03-18-2019, 11:14 PM
What's the carrot over your way?

My bidding seniority goes up 6-7% per month, as an FO I spent less than a full month on reserve before getting a line, Iím blocking ~81 hours a month, and I should be upgrading at about 15 months, while living in the base I wanted. First year I got a $17.5K bonus and the pay - while not industry leading - is pretty good.

How long did it take you to get a line in your preferred base?

NoValueAviator
03-19-2019, 05:04 AM
My bidding seniority goes up 6-7% per month, as an FO I spent less than a full month on reserve before getting a line, I’m blocking ~81 hours a month, and I should be upgrading at about 15 months, while living in the base I wanted. First year I got a $17.5K bonus and the pay - while not industry leading - is pretty good.

How long did it take you to get a line in your preferred base?

Sounds like you got the literal best case scenario. Not representative of most hires who are getting flushed down the legacy fleet toilet for now.

pitchattitude
03-19-2019, 05:27 AM
My bidding seniority goes up 6-7% per month, as an FO I spent less than a full month on reserve before getting a line, Iím blocking ~81 hours a month, and I should be upgrading at about 15 months, while living in the base I wanted. First year I got a $17.5K bonus and the pay - while not industry leading - is pretty good.

How long did it take you to get a line in your preferred base?

So who do you even work for? Based on your post history you seem to be an expert on every regional out there.

YLpilot
03-19-2019, 08:08 AM
Yeah dude said he is a Compass pilot in an XJT thread. So I don't even know why he is in here spouting off. Even if some of our FOs had this scenario all that movement and bonus stops in the move to the left seat. If you start at 0 121 hours and upgrade in 15 mo ths you are going to be on reserve for quite a long while, probably not in the base of your choice.

pitchattitude
03-19-2019, 08:47 AM
Yeah dude said he is a Compass pilot in an XJT thread. So I don't even know why he is in here spouting off. Even if some of our FOs had this scenario all that movement and bonus stops in the move to the left seat. If you start at 0 121 hours and upgrade in 15 mo ths you are going to be on reserve for quite a long while, probably not in the base of your choice.
Well, he can come here as a DEC when we eventually get the Compass planes.

YLpilot
03-19-2019, 10:25 AM
Excargodog, I am not sure if you meant to reply to me in a private message but usually if you want to send a PM at least reply and quote what I wrote and not what pitch wrote. Enjoy SEA.

Excargodog
03-19-2019, 10:47 AM
Excargodog, I am not sure if you meant to reply to me in a private message but usually if you want to send a PM at least reply and quote what I wrote and not what pitch wrote.

Sent both of you the same PM. Part for you, part for him,

Enjoy SEA.

Will do. Thanks.