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hkdguy
04-16-2019, 09:02 AM
Coming up on 17 years at NJA. Been in the XL most of that.

Iím looking at changing fleets and was looking for some advice.

Should I bid what I really want to fly or play it safe and bid what gives me the best relative seniority?

So basically go for the green or lay up? If youíre into golf...

Thanks in advance.

hkdguy


303flyboy
04-16-2019, 09:54 AM
Coming up on 17 years at NJA. Been in the XL most of that.

Iím looking at changing fleets and was looking for some advice.

Should I bid what I really want to fly or play it safe and bid what gives me the best relative seniority?

So basically go for the green or lay up? If youíre into golf...

Thanks in advance.

hkdguy

Would you bid left seat in the long haul fleet as well ?if no how would the schedules be and how big would the pay cut be?

wankel7
04-16-2019, 10:15 AM
What matters more?

Being happy on the road.

Being happy getting the schedule, vacation, and other bids that you want.

It's too bad after 17 years you can't have both. How much longer will that take?


David Puddy
04-16-2019, 12:11 PM
Coming up on 17 years at NJA. Been in the XL most of that.

Iím looking at changing fleets and was looking for some advice.

Should I bid what I really want to fly or play it safe and bid what gives me the best relative seniority?

So basically go for the green or lay up? If youíre into golf...

Thanks in advance.

hkdguy

I remember your previous Latitude vs CL350 thread. Sounds like most fleets are working hard these days. Your questions are highly personal in nature and specific to your situation - but I am interested to hear what others say....

Friend of mine is facing a similar decision and has been on the Sovereign for 10+ years (FO and now Capt). He is bored with the Sovereign and currently looking at the new Longitude given that there will supposedly be 7 on property by the end of 2019 with many more on the way. Plus, the airplane is more advanced with the Garmin cockpit (something new vs the older Sovereign) and it is Hawaii capable. Thatís his perspective and your opinion may vary...

hkdguy
04-16-2019, 08:19 PM
Same for me. Bored in the XL.

Would really like to do some non-XL type flying. Would like to fly something besides a Citation. Donít get me wrong, Iíve enjoyed the airplane. Just want a change of pace.

Would really like to try the 350. But Iíd be in the bottom 10% over there. Jeez...

In the Latitude Iíd be around the 2/3 point on the capnís list. That wouldnít be too bad seniority wise. But Iím afraid itíll just be more ďXLĒ flying.

Wrestling with, is flying the 350 worth the QOL Iíll be dealing with.

Or maybe I should just sit tight a few more years in the XL, get the schedules/vacations I want a few more years then crossover to the 350.

Want to make just one move for awhile.

Thanks

wankel7
04-16-2019, 08:22 PM
Have you tried the 52 day? Less time at work to get bored.

PICsf340
04-17-2019, 01:05 AM
I do not work a t NJ, but I have worked at similar places. I get what you are talking about, but in my personal experience the ďnewĒ wears off fairly quickly when changing equipment. The view is exactly the same, regardless of type. I love learning new planes, but at the end of the day, for me, it is about making the most money and having the most time at home. If someone wants to pay me big bucks to work a few days a week flying a Cessna 172 and sleep in my own bed most nights, I am down for that.

727C47
04-17-2019, 01:10 AM
Christmas off, my wife, and kids birthdays off,and at least one summer vaca a year is keeping me in the mighty XL for the moment ,I donít mind the old girl and her quirks ( Honeywell.....) and as the 350, and the Lat are ascending both in numbers , and subsequent activity , QOL on the skyroad has been improving, slowly , steadily .

Guard
04-17-2019, 01:44 AM
Latitude is a pretty awesome aircraft, the Garmin is probably one of the most advanced set of instruments out there right now. We are flying about 25-30 hours a tour depending on what you get to do (seems I have been all east coast lately). New hires are currently holding Tuesday to Tuesday on 7 day but we have been told that a ton of 17-20 year guys are about to bid over as more airplanes are parked. Good news is the fleet is growing at about 2-3 new aircraft a month fir forceable future. 350 flying looks better, but I think they are stopping deliveries at 75 aircraft with all the MX issues? Id wait it out, place may look very different in a year? Told were losing more pilots than we can hire so seniority is going up, 70 year old retirement is also rumored to be coming?

MWilliams
04-17-2019, 05:13 AM
Wait another year and see how the longitude stirs things up.

jetlag7
04-17-2019, 06:27 AM
A very wise pilot once told me: "Never chase an airplane..... Always chase the job."

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David Puddy
04-17-2019, 06:16 PM
Wait another year and see how the longitude stirs things up.

Agree with this. Got a close up look at a Longitude demonstrator recently - looked very nice up front with the Garmin and in the back for the pax. Will be interesting to see how it is positioned vs the CL350 to owners. Similar performance, similar seat count, etc.

Just read that Textron expects to deliver the 1st Longitude at the beginning of Q3 with 7 airframes expected by end of year and then many more to come.

hkdguy
04-18-2019, 09:58 AM
Wonder how senior the Longitude will go...

Think youíll see many 350 guys/gals jump over?

Flyfalcons
04-18-2019, 09:45 PM
I left a fleet I was very senior in for one that I was really interested in flying. I was at the point where I figured a change of pace would be good, and so far, it's been a good decision. Though I'm not planning on holding any vacation I want like in the last type, I will say that being on one of the CC schedules, I am still getting the days off that I bid for each month. So even though I'm junior in fleet, so far the only drawback I've seen is in vacation bidding.

hkdguy
04-22-2019, 04:01 PM
Just hoping to find the balance between flying the airframe thatíll hold my interest AND maintain a somewhat tolerable QOL.

At least Iíve got time to play with.
The XLís will be around awhile. 🙂

OhSnapAF
04-22-2019, 04:16 PM
Just hoping to find the balance between flying the airframe thatíll hold my interest AND maintain a somewhat tolerable QOL.

At least Iíve got time to play with.
The XLís will be around awhile. 🙂

Truly honestly not trying to derail the thread, but changing airframes isnít going to get you what you seek.

David Puddy
04-23-2019, 06:53 AM
Truly honestly not trying to derail the thread, but changing airframes isnít going to get you what you seek.

Agreed. The flying wonít change much unless you get on the Global. I can understand the boredom with a single aircraft type though - flying the XL for 15+ years would get old for most people....

OhSnapAF
04-23-2019, 08:23 AM
Agreed. The flying wonít change much unless you get on the Global. I can understand the boredom with a single aircraft type though - flying the XL for 15+ years would get old for most people....

It still doesn't change the nature of the operation. Sure there probably is less work as far as less legs, being on the Global than on an XL, but the work rules and culture doesn't really change by fleet type there. The airplane isn't going be the bandaid that fixes the feelings the OP faces. My prior job to NJA, I flew an XLS for a 135 and it was the best 135 job I had ever had. 1 leg to Cabo, sit in an all inclusive resort for 3 days, 1 leg home, all expenses paid. I loved the XL in that environment but with NJA I would have hated the XL because the operation is totally different. I really don't think that changes with the Lat, 350, or even the Global really. Would I rather be on a Global than an XL? Yea I would, but it isn't going to make NJA not NJA anymore.

wankel7
04-23-2019, 09:22 AM
Truly honestly not trying to derail the thread, but changing airframes isnít going to get you what you seek.

But it will most likely play a roll in FDP. While no data has been released by the union my guess is the 350 and the Latitude is doing a lot better for FDP.

OhSnapAF
04-23-2019, 09:29 AM
But it will most likely play a roll in FDP. While no data has been released by the union my guess is the 350 and the Latitude is doing a lot better for FDP.

Canít argue that. Iíd like to see a year of data to average before even commenting on the roll FDP plays.

HandyHansell
04-23-2019, 11:29 AM
I whole heartily agree that changing planes will not alter the fact you are at NetJets. The suck will be strong in any plane. Take it from me, 12 years and 4 fleets, the suck is still present.

wankel7
04-23-2019, 01:24 PM
Can’t argue that. I’d like to see a year of data to average before even commenting on the roll FDP plays.

As I watched a 350 take off from Nassau to CRQ.....blocking over 6 hours...I'm willing to make a few guesses :p

OhSnapAF
04-23-2019, 01:27 PM
As I watched a 350 take off from Nassau to CRQ.....blocking over 6 hours...I'm willing to make a few guesses :p

Yea I have a friend on IOE in the 350 who sat the first 4 days and did nothing... I think the fleets will average over time.

jtf560
04-25-2019, 08:00 AM
Even if you get the Longitude or 350, I guarantee that the A team does live in those fleets also when it comes to Hawaii and desirable international. If you want interesting and a bit different culture you can try the right seat of the Global or wait for the 7500 for that right seat. Despite what some others say, the culture truly is different in the Global and you are treated better- I know from being in it. There is definitely the biggest bunch of A team bubbas in the Global, but even that can't stop you from getting to see a lot of international. Most pilots get 4 stripe fever and can't imagine going to 3, but if you feel you need a change of scenery and can take a smaller pay check, you will be quite senior and able to hold schedules and vacations you want. If that isn't what you want, I'd stick it out in the Excel and learn to enjoy life on the road a bit more with the lack of mx reliability. I was in that fleet for over a decade also and the Global SIC position is only one I was willing to move over for due to the fact that pretty much every XL has some grounding item if you look hard enough- life on the road can be quite descent in that fleet. You just won't get the FDP pay. Good luck whatever you decide.

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727C47
04-25-2019, 08:09 AM
Well said : )

hkdguy
04-25-2019, 01:38 PM
Thanks to all that contributed.

A lot to consider.

hkdguy

Lotsof Blue
05-03-2019, 08:47 AM
I'm about to start year 18, I'm in the mighty 505 because the seniority works out better. However, for me the cockpit is cramped and uncomfortable. That aspect has me thinking about bidding the 'tude in the near future. Seniority there would suck for a while, but the plane would be more comfortable to fly and I miss having an APU. :D