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new guy
04-20-2019, 01:13 PM
Looking for a job stateside or abroad geared towards time building. Not seeing as much on linkedin or here for that matter as I thought I would. Not looking for crazy pay or benefits, just consistent flying.

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TeamSasquatch
04-20-2019, 06:45 PM
Are you talking PIC or SIC? Tons of FBO’s have a 200 that takes a co-pilot per the ops spec. Probably need 250 hrs and 25 multi for 1/2 of them.

goodridecowboy
04-25-2019, 04:01 PM
Are you talking PIC or SIC? Tons of FBO’s have a 200 that takes a co-pilot per the ops spec. Probably need 250 hrs and 25 multi for 1/2 of them.

Sasquatch how do you go about finding these? I recently took a look at my home airport and found a few opportunities, but I'm looking to move to soon (to multiple locations) and don't really know how to find these jobs.


deadstick35
04-25-2019, 05:12 PM
Before everybody jumps into King Air SIC time building, examine these LOIs. Just substitute “BE20” or “BE9L” for C525 — they’re all certified for single-pilot ops.

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/practice_areas/regulations/interpretations/data/interps/2009/nichols%20-%20(2009)%20legal%20interpretation.pdf

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/practice_areas/regulations/interpretations/data/interps/2014/cato%20-%20(2014)%20legal%20interpretation.pdf

hansinla
04-25-2019, 07:22 PM
Before everybody jumps into King Air SIC time building, examine these LOIs. Just substitute “BE20” or “BE9L” for C525 — they’re all certified for single-pilot ops.

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/practice_areas/regulations/interpretations/data/interps/2009/nichols%20-%20(2009)%20legal%20interpretation.pdf

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/practice_areas/regulations/interpretations/data/interps/2014/cato%20-%20(2014)%20legal%20interpretation.pdf

If I'm not mistaken, the FAA has just changed their position on this.

deadstick35
04-26-2019, 01:53 AM
If I'm not mistaken, the FAA has just changed their position on this.

Not exactly. There has to be an approved program with opspec in which (iirc) the PIC signs the SIX’s logbook for every flight — just like dual received. Also, it does not apply to Part 91 ops.

TeamSasquatch
04-26-2019, 06:51 AM
Sasquatch how do you go about finding these? I recently took a look at my home airport and found a few opportunities, but I'm looking to move to soon (to multiple locations) and don't really know how to find these jobs.

You’ll want to find out what operators are where you plan to be. Call them up! Tell them your looking for a job, yes, they will pay you, and see if they need you. They likely don’t have to post many openings. This type of job often has a lot of local knowledge. What I’ve seen in the KA/PC12 is usually, but not always, low time guys flying SIC (per opspec) to satisfy client and insurance feel good policy).

dera
04-26-2019, 12:43 PM
You’ll want to find out what operators are where you plan to be. Call them up! Tell them your looking for a job, yes, they will pay you, and see if they need you. They likely don’t have to post many openings. This type of job often has a lot of local knowledge. What I’ve seen in the KA/PC12 is usually, but not always, low time guys flying SIC (per opspec) to satisfy client and insurance feel good policy).

"per opspec" - there is no opspec for that (apart from the new PDP but you can be sure no single-plane FBO charter operation has that). And client/insurance needs don't make SIC time loggable.

To legally log SIC in a single pilot plane you need one of these:

FAA approved PDP program
Carrying passengers under IFR with a PIC who has not completed a 135.297(g) check

If, as is the case most of the time with smaller operators, the PIC is legal to fly the trip single pilot, then you can't log that time even if you hop along and sling the gear.

The old wives tale that "opspecs require an SIC" is not true - there is no opspec for it, apart from the new FAA pilot development program opspec that's not very widespread yet.

So - know the regs before you start logging "SIC" time in a KA90 to satisfy insurance/passenger requirements.

TeamSasquatch
04-26-2019, 02:16 PM
"per opspec" - there is no opspec for that (apart from the new PDP but you can be sure no single-plane FBO charter operation has that). And client/insurance needs don't make SIC time loggable.

To legally log SIC in a single pilot plane you need one of these:

FAA approved PDP program
Carrying passengers under IFR with a PIC who has not completed a 135.297(g) check

If, as is the case most of the time with smaller operators, the PIC is legal to fly the trip single pilot, then you can't log that time even if you hop along and sling the gear.

The old wives tale that "opspecs require an SIC" is not true - there is no opspec for it, apart from the new FAA pilot development program opspec that's not very widespread yet.

So - know the regs before you start logging "SIC" time in a KA90 to satisfy insurance/passenger requirements.

To clarify:
The ops spec doesn’t require an SIC, correct? The regs require an SIC ?135.101? The ops spec allows you to operate with an autopilot in lieu of an SIC. Doesn’t mean you have to use the autopilot. Charter FBO’s will bring someone on SIC to move them PIC as they build experience. Seems this is the way they do it to me.

Not sure why you think FBO’s only have one aircraft?
How about a KA350 PIC with a type that requires an SIC?

dera
04-26-2019, 03:17 PM
To clarify:
The ops spec doesn’t require an SIC, correct? The regs require an SIC ?135.101? The ops spec allows you to operate with an autopilot in lieu of an SIC. Doesn’t mean you have to use the autopilot. Charter FBO’s will bring someone on SIC to move them PIC as they build experience. Seems this is the way they do it to me.

Not sure why you think FBO’s only have one aircraft?
How about a KA350 PIC with a type that requires an SIC?

I was referring to these small charter ops that often operate single pilot and have 1 or 2 planes.
The problem is, you can't just choose to put an SIC in an airplane and call him a "required crewmember" and choose "not to use" the autopilot. The fact that FAA came up with the PDP (and other programs such as what Ameriflight has) tells me that's how they view it as well. SIC time in a single pilot plane is fine, as long as it's logged and operated in a controlled environment.

I was solely referring to single pilot planes. KA350 PIC who needs an SIC is a different matter.

DontLookDown
04-26-2019, 04:55 PM
Looking for a job stateside or abroad geared towards time building. Not seeing as much on linkedin or here for that matter as I thought I would. Not looking for crazy pay or benefits, just consistent flying.

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If you’re gonna move, go to northern NJ near TEB, MMU and HPN. You’ll find all the corporate traffic your heart desires

deadstick35
04-26-2019, 05:20 PM
To clarify:
The ops spec doesn’t require an SIC, correct? The regs require an SIC ?135.101? The ops spec allows you to operate with an autopilot in lieu of an SIC. Doesn’t mean you have to use the autopilot. Charter FBO’s will bring someone on SIC to move them PIC as they build experience. Seems this is the way they do it to me.


From Nichols...
Provided the certificate holder elects before the IFR operation to not use the autopilot system, then two pilots are required by the regulations under which the flight is conducted, and the pilot designated as SIC may log SIC flight time. If the autopilot system is used, then the pilot designated as SIC is not a required flight crewmember and may not log SIC time.


But wait...there’s more! Now you’ve ventured into the land of a REQUIRED SIC. Is the aircraft equipped for it?

135.151
(a) No person may operate a multiengine, turbine-powered airplane or rotorcraft having a passenger seating configuration of six or more and for which two pilots are required by certification or operating rules unless it is equipped with an approved cockpit voice recorder that...

Many King Airs that are over ~25 years old might not have one.

TeamSasquatch
04-26-2019, 06:07 PM
I was referring to these small charter ops that often operate single pilot and have 1 or 2 planes.
The problem is, you can't just choose to put an SIC in an airplane and call him a "required crewmember" and choose "not to use" the autopilot. The fact that FAA came up with the PDP (and other programs such as what Ameriflight has) tells me that's how they view it as well. SIC time in a single pilot plane is fine, as long as it's logged and operated in a controlled environment.

I was solely referring to single pilot planes. KA350 PIC who needs an SIC is a different matter.
Are you sure you can’t call
The SIC required even with a working autopilot? You have the option to use the autopilot in lieu of the SIC, but don’t have to use it in liue of?