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Wingsjr
05-14-2019, 06:31 AM
We need to elect Eric Ferguson as president of APA and Patrick OíRourke as Vice President. This is the only way to stop the undermining of the Pilot board by Dan Carey and others. I am former US airways and a staunch USAPA member so that should tell you that I am being honest about supporting Eric Ferguson, just ask anyone about the USAir and America West fight.


AAfng
05-14-2019, 07:27 AM
Why did you feel the need to ruin this message board with election talk? Anyways, the BOD is 100% endorsing DC while your boy Erik was kicked off the negotiating com.

Rockiepilot
05-14-2019, 07:35 AM
Why did you feel the need to ruin this message board with election talk? Anyways, the BOD is 100% endorsing DC while your boy Erik was kicked off the negotiating com.

You are on property how long now? How old are you? Relative seniority?


AAfng
05-14-2019, 08:41 AM
You are on property how long now? How old are you? Relative seniority?

As soon as you do

Name User
05-14-2019, 10:19 AM
Why did you feel the need to ruin this message board with election talk? Anyways, the BOD is 100% endorsing DC while your boy Erik was kicked off the negotiating com.

Enough of a reason for me to vote for EF

In reality the biggest problem with the APA is the structure that makes the elected national officers mostly figureheads and placeholders. They have little actual power unless you pull a DC around everyone. Also a huge waste of union dues paying them.

I'm not a fan of ALPA but the structure and centralized nature of the union made it better.

AAfng
05-14-2019, 11:34 AM
Just responding to the original poster who stated:

"This is the only way to stop the undermining of the Pilot board by Dan Carey and others"

That doesnt make sense since the BOD is endorsing DC. Do what you want, I really dont care.

Dobbs18
05-14-2019, 11:52 AM
Why did you feel the need to ruin this message board with election talk? Anyways, the BOD is 100% endorsing DC while your boy Erik was kicked off the negotiating com.

BOD is not 100% in its endorsing of DC, there was BOD members missing from that list....but the majority are on there, just not 100%

AAfng
05-14-2019, 01:27 PM
BOD is not 100% in its endorsing of DC, there was BOD members missing from that list....but the majority are on there, just not 100%

You r right, i should have said ď100% of the BOD isnt endorsing EFĒ

Rockiepilot
05-14-2019, 05:45 PM
Odd someone who appears to be a new hire would go all out against EF and for Carey. Iíd probably log onto the forum over on FB and get a little bit of an education by those whoíve been here before the merger and have seen whatís going on. Not sure why anyone under 10 years or below WB Captain would vote for Carey. Seems by your post you fit into a category. Who knows. Maybe Iím wrong but certainly seems that your understanding of Carey and a BOD support seem short sighted.

Thedude
05-14-2019, 07:06 PM
The green Christmas shenanigan was enough of DC for me.

cactusmike
05-14-2019, 08:35 PM
Enough of a reason for me to vote for EF

In reality the biggest problem with the APA is the structure that makes the elected national officers mostly figureheads and placeholders. They have little actual power unless you pull a DC around everyone. Also a huge waste of union dues paying them.

I'm not a fan of ALPA but the structure and centralized nature of the union made it better.

100% agree.

AAfng
05-15-2019, 02:49 AM
How is EF going to "fix" APA's structure? You guys are stuck in groupthink: "DC bad, EF good". I have been here 18 months but I doubt you will share your seniority.

I have actually researched their positions, looked at their records, and have talked to each candidate (well, EF wouldnt even respond to my questions via email or via a phone call BTW).

Groupthink: All together now "DC bad, EF good" say it over and over. Dont do any actual research. Just parrot the party line. Jeez.

If you guys do vote in EF then I hope you also vote out the current BOD members when you get a chance to vote for them later. At least that floater S/T from the upgrade ticket didnt win her election but wait, EF is going to put her on the APA payroll, nice move EF.

seafeye
05-15-2019, 05:20 AM
We need to elect Eric Ferguson as president of APA and Patrick OíRourke as Vice President. This is the only way to stop the undermining of the Pilot board by Dan Carey and others. I am former US airways and a staunch USAPA member so that should tell you that I am being honest about supporting Eric Ferguson, just ask anyone about the USAir and America West fight.


Is Ferguson a pilot or a paper pusher?
How long has he flown the line?
Has he ever flown a NB hard line? Sat reserve? If so how long?
How long was he an f/o? Captain?

Actually I think all candidates should answer these questions.

Varks
05-15-2019, 06:38 AM
I am 21 years legacy AA. EF is for ALPA. Iím for EF. We have a very naive work group at legacy AA.

Headquarters in DFW area is bad. The shear number of former APA officials now working on the companies behalf is not good. Iíd gladly pay higher dues to get the jerks out. DC is a bully. He hasnít flown the narrow bodies since the 1980ís. EF I think is on reserve A320 PHX. To each his own but I want to stir it up a bit.

Rockiepilot
05-15-2019, 11:11 AM
EF has lived under a contract that had great QOL. Work rules. LTD and STD. Been around Parker and company over 20 years. Never has taken a management job. His side from AWA out smarted the LAA and LUS types. Just look at the SLI.

So call me crazy to think someone of his intellect and intelligence would not be capable of getting us not only the right people to get a ILC but also clean up the corrupt structure of APA. Implement bylaws that allow the BOD to take full control of APA and put the president position back to where it belongs.

The structure of APA wonít be fixed by a lifetime AA and APA type. They see nothing wrong with it. I mean making 400k plus and positive space travel and nice hotels while his pilots are working under some of the worst work rules in the industry.

So forgive me to have been on property far longer then 18 months. Iíve seen Carey and his promises last time around and what actually was done by him. Iíve lived under LUS work rules that were far better then anything APA has had. Heck many of us lived under regional work rules far superior.

So I suppose knowing that EF has lived under better work rules then most at APA. Just recently upgraded and has spent most of his career in a NB it leaves me optimistic. Knowing he was on a side of the SLI that many feel did too well also seems to support heís not exactly an idiot.

However Carey was previously elected with just a little over 10-15% last election of pilots. Many not voting. Promised to bring the pilot groups together. Letís face it that hasnít happened. Many gains were random and from the company because they had to in which match pay of UAL and DAL because new hires would go else where and they had to.

Green Christmas was an epic failure of his administration. At the very least he should have gotten what the FAs had when their issues happened. We got nothing close. Need we now add someone releasing and recording Boeing and leaking tapes? Highly illegal and apparently DC is now linked into that?

So yes forgive me but if someone whoís 18 months on property is going to lecture me about voting for DC when theyíre the most likely to be hosed by him and Hamel I say go ahead. Unfortunately when youíre linked to the group 4 CAs who are about to retire and donít care about your career it says a lot of who you are voting for.

Hamel by the way is the same guy who came into ORD and said ďwe have to give them something in negotiationsĒ when referring to scope. Howís our scope compared to UAL or DAL? Feel good to have a VP linked to DC who is looking at things to give up when this company is making billions?

nAAtive
05-15-2019, 12:39 PM
Why did you feel the need to ruin this message board with election talk? Anyways, the BOD is 100% endorsing DC while your boy Erik was kicked off the negotiating com.

Itís moronic that APA changed up negotiating committee when they did. APA has trailed since I got hired 20 years ago. We need new blood. You will learn one day.

AAfng
05-15-2019, 02:40 PM
"So yes forgive me but if someone whoís 18 months on property is going to lecture me"

Got it. The BOD could say the same thing about you. Maybe pilots with less than 10 years cant vote in elections because WTF do they know. Sound good to you?

I dont believe I started this thread.

Thedude
05-15-2019, 06:18 PM
AAfng, how long have you been in the 121 world?

pooch817
05-15-2019, 07:12 PM
I was on the Board under Nick O'Connell not long after APA stated. I felt we did some good things. I got active on the Board again just before I retired and felt it was the sorriest outfit going. The weakness of APA is the Board has so much power that the Board members attempt running the Union and the Company. Most board members are not doing what they are supposed to be doing; taking care of the pilots at their base. Instead Board members try to run the Union and the Company this results in a bunch limited experienced knot heads getting blown away by the Company management. The Union is at its best when there is an active participation by the pilots. That means for starters go to Union meeting. Active input by the line pilots is where the core of Union intelligence is found. Unfortunately most members do not participate or even go to meeting this opens the door to the various "hate the Company" individuals that the only thing they know about negotiation is saying no. The Union is at its best when there is a broad participation by the membership. If the membership stays home the union will get lousy in a hurry.

Rockiepilot
05-16-2019, 01:07 AM
"So yes forgive me but if someone whoís 18 months on property is going to lecture me"

Got it. The BOD could say the same thing about you. Maybe pilots with less than 10 years cant vote in elections because WTF do they know. Sound good to you?

I dont believe I started this thread.

I see you know it all after 18 months. Luckily I think you are the outlier of most our great new hires. Military? Just find it odd youíd be previously 121 with your comments but I could be wrong.

I see you clearly ignored every other aspect of my reply to advance some odd agenda you have? Vote however. As you should. Just find it odd as someone so close to the bottom you would support Carey. Live and learn however. Hamels comments alone on scope would worry me being so close to the bottom alone with the facts weíve shrunk fleet count and lowered head count since the merger.

Smoke Toliet
05-16-2019, 02:38 AM
I am 21 years legacy AA. EF is for ALPA. Iím for EF. We have a very naive work group at legacy AA.

Headquarters in DFW area is bad. The shear number of former APA officials now working on the companies behalf is not good. Iíd gladly pay higher dues to get the jerks out. DC is a bully. He hasnít flown the narrow bodies since the 1980ís. EF I think is on reserve A320 PHX. To each his own but I want to stir it up a bit.

When we have LGA super pilot AW talking on CnR about how the increase in dues (1.5%to 1.95%) makes it not worth it to join ALPA iím not holding my breath. I appreciate that you can see the big picture. The dues argument is the dumbest thing that has ever come out of anyoneís mouth. .45% is roughly $900 for me more. At DL/UAL Iíd be making 15-20k more per year.
This type of thinking by the ancestral inbreeds at APA is why they are the laughing stock of the industry.

AAfng
05-16-2019, 03:03 AM
I see you know it all after 18 months. Luckily I think you are the outlier of most our great new hires. Military? Just find it odd youíd be previously 121 with your comments but I could be wrong.

I see you clearly ignored every other aspect of my reply to advance some odd agenda you have? Vote however. As you should. Just find it odd as someone so close to the bottom you would support Carey. Live and learn however. Hamels comments alone on scope would worry me being so close to the bottom alone with the facts weíve shrunk fleet count and lowered head count since the merger.

I never said I know it all. You EF guys are the ones acting like you have all the answers. I am glad you are voting, the participation rate at this company in voting is way worse than it was at my previous 121 ACMI carrier. Based on your argument you should be listening to the BOD members because they have way more union and 121 time than you do so why dont you listen to them more?

Just vote and quit acting like you have all the answers (Groupthink). This isn't CnR.

ORDinary
05-16-2019, 05:40 AM
When we have LGA super pilot AW talking on CnR about how the increase in dues (1.5%to 1.95%) makes it not worth it to join ALPA iím not holding my breath. I appreciate that you can see the big picture. The dues argument is the dumbest thing that has ever come out of anyoneís mouth. .45% is roughly $900 for me more. At DL/UAL Iíd be making 15-20k more per year.
This type of thinking by the ancestral inbreeds at APA is why they are the laughing stock of the industry.

Also if APA joined, ALPA would lower their dues because of the huge gain in membership. Maybe even down to 1.5%.

Rockiepilot
05-16-2019, 08:21 AM
I never said I know it all. You EF guys are the ones acting like you have all the answers. I am glad you are voting, the participation rate at this company in voting is way worse than it was at my previous 121 ACMI carrier. Based on your argument you should be listening to the BOD members because they have way more union and 121 time than you do so why dont you listen to them more?

Just vote and quit acting like you have all the answers (Groupthink). This isn't CnR.

Iím sure when youíre pulling my gear itíll be a different person to fly with. Iíll leave it there as Iíve received PMs on you by members. Not worth another reply to be honest. Good day and fly safe.

AAfng
05-16-2019, 09:34 AM
I’m sure when you’re pulling my gear it’ll be a different person to fly with. I’ll leave it there as I’ve received PMs on you by members. Not worth another reply to be honest. Good day and fly safe.

Weird post man. Please translate or at the very least make some sense when you post. You dont know me from Adam.

Sorry you dont like my opinion on the election. I already voted so it is too late.

drinksonme
05-16-2019, 01:27 PM
I love this new buzzword ďGroupthinkĒ people are using. Iíve been hearing it used more often lately then ever. I find it funny when a contrasting opinion just says ďgroupthinkĒ to try and insult a group of people who differ with their opinion, yet they probably have a group of people thinking the same way they are....thus they are in a groupthink too. It completely contradicting and assuming a person who differs with your point of view is not educated or justified in their decision.

I donít give a crap who you vote for, just vote, but donít attribute whom someone voted for to groupthink. Many people vote the same way on a decision for different reason, doesnít make it a cult view. In some cases where they are the majority, especially in election, they win. Sorry but thatís how it goes.

Arado 234
05-21-2019, 02:54 PM
I mailed my ballot today. Please vote.

Al Czervik
05-21-2019, 03:01 PM
When we have LGA super pilot AW talking on CnR about how the increase in dues (1.5%to 1.95%) makes it not worth it to join ALPA iím not holding my breath. I appreciate that you can see the big picture. The dues argument is the dumbest thing that has ever come out of anyoneís mouth. .45% is roughly $900 for me more. At DL/UAL Iíd be making 15-20k more per year.
This type of thinking by the ancestral inbreeds at APA is why they are the laughing stock of the industry.

This is superpilot

Wingsjr
05-22-2019, 03:53 AM
You are on property how long now? How old are you? Relative seniority?
Iím a 737 Capt. and EF was removed from the negotiating committee because of political back stabbing.

Wingsjr
05-22-2019, 04:00 AM
Why did you feel the need to ruin this message board with election talk? Anyways, the BOD is 100% endorsing DC while your boy Erik was kicked off the negotiating com.

I know for a fact that not all on the BOD endorse DC. 1 example, PHL is for Eric Ferguson. EF wasnít kicked off the Negotiating Committee, DC pulled one of his backstabbing political moves to get him off the committee. DC couldnít hold Fergusonís flight bag.

Rockiepilot
05-31-2019, 04:25 PM
Guess the pilot group felt it was time. Hopefully now itís time to get some of the work rules EF knows about and lived under at AWA.