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Busdriver91
06-06-2019, 04:21 PM
First of all, I would like to say I have 100 percent respect for my brothers and sisters at TMC. It seems like you guys work hard and deserve lots of credit.

Obviously you can read from my previous posts that I work for Gama and fly the King Air. This announcement has come to alarm only a small number of pilots here. Most believe what management and Wheels UP are telling us. I (and many of you) can see the bigger picture of what is to come.

I donít know much about your company other than what I have read here and also reading job postings a few years ago. Itís hard to find any positive comments about your management and the job postings I have read suggest that you get little to no vacation and go to training on your days off. Can some of you shed some light on the current conditions over there? I guess a fear of mine (other than losing my job) would be coming from a company where I felt respected and valued by management to going somewhere completely opposite.

Thanks for your input.


aspiretofly
06-07-2019, 07:05 AM
First of all, I would like to say I have 100 percent respect for my brothers and sisters at TMC. It seems like you guys work hard and deserve lots of credit.

Obviously you can read from my previous posts that I work for Gama and fly the King Air. This announcement has come to alarm only a small number of pilots here. Most believe what management and Wheels UP are telling us. I (and many of you) can see the bigger picture of what is to come.

I donít know much about your company other than what I have read here and also reading job postings a few years ago. Itís hard to find any positive comments about your management and the job postings I have read suggest that you get little to no vacation and go to training on your days off. Can some of you shed some light on the current conditions over there? I guess a fear of mine (other than losing my job) would be coming from a company where I felt respected and valued by management to going somewhere completely opposite.

Thanks for your input.

First off, let me echo your respect and admiration towards you and everyone there at Wheels Up and Gama. Individually each team shows what hard work and dedication can do to build strong, solid, and successful companies each, in their own right.

Although I understand you or your fellow pilots' caution or fear, understand that as of right now, no changes to either business, process, or relationship have been discussed. For everyone here the business runs the same as it did last week.

As for the information you see here, we have several former employees still holding a grudge after resigning more than a year ago. My advice is don't pay any attention to it as it is no longer relevant.

We have made many changes during the last year and a half. The majority of our management team has changed. Our uniform has changed and is paid for by TMC. Our training is done while on rotation. We have increased base pay, per diem, vacation, and bonuses.

Lastly, we have been cultivating a family oriented culture here where everyone, not just the office team or the pilot team, but everyone feels like and is a valued teammate or part of the family. We take care of our family.

Thank you for reaching out, and I am happy to answer any other questions or concerns you may have if you'd like to contact me directly.

hdgbug
06-07-2019, 11:45 AM
I can't seem to find (granted I haven't looked through the entire other TMC thread) captain pay rates for TMC. Anyone care to share? I did see the posted claim is 90 something first year first officer with bonuses, which is definitely better than Gama first officers are doing. I hope that this new relationship will serve to improve conditions for both pilot groups!


galleycafe
06-07-2019, 11:49 AM
First off, let me echo your respect and admiration towards you and everyone there at Wheels Up and Gama. Individually each team shows what hard work and dedication can do to build strong, solid, and successful companies each, in their own right.

Although I understand you or your fellow pilots' caution or fear, understand that as of right now, no changes to either business, process, or relationship have been discussed. For everyone here the business runs the same as it did last week.

As for the information you see here, we have several former employees still holding a grudge after resigning more than a year ago. My advice is don't pay any attention to it as it is no longer relevant.

We have made many changes during the last year and a half. The majority of our management team has changed. Our uniform has changed and is paid for by TMC. Our training is done while on rotation. We have increased base pay, per diem, vacation, and bonuses.

Lastly, we have been cultivating a family oriented culture here where everyone, not just the office team or the pilot team, but everyone feels like and is a valued teammate or part of the family. We take care of our family.

Thank you for reaching out, and I am happy to answer any other questions or concerns you may have if you'd like to contact me directly.

Lololololololololo!!!!!!

Sounds like TMC is the bees knees now!

Gulp (some sort of overly sugary drink)

Plane Coffee

Starbucks
06-07-2019, 12:10 PM
First off, let me echo your respect and admiration towards you and everyone there at Wheels Up and Gama. Individually each team shows what hard work and dedication can do to build strong, solid, and successful companies each, in their own right.

Although I understand you or your fellow pilots' caution or fear, understand that as of right now, no changes to either business, process, or relationship have been discussed. For everyone here the business runs the same as it did last week.

As for the information you see here, we have several former employees still holding a grudge after resigning more than a year ago. My advice is don't pay any attention to it as it is no longer relevant.

We have made many changes during the last year and a half. The majority of our management team has changed. Our uniform has changed and is paid for by TMC. Our training is done while on rotation. We have increased base pay, per diem, vacation, and bonuses.

Lastly, we have been cultivating a family oriented culture here where everyone, not just the office team or the pilot team, but everyone feels like and is a valued teammate or part of the family. We take care of our family.

Thank you for reaching out, and I am happy to answer any other questions or concerns you may have if you'd like to contact me directly.

Your Kool Aid is definitely spiked.

LLWS09R
06-07-2019, 03:21 PM
First off, let me echo your respect and admiration towards you and everyone there at Wheels Up and Gama. Individually each team shows what hard work and dedication can do to build strong, solid, and successful companies each, in their own right.

Although I understand you or your fellow pilots' caution or fear, understand that as of right now, no changes to either business, process, or relationship have been discussed. For everyone here the business runs the same as it did last week.

As for the information you see here, we have several former employees still holding a grudge after resigning more than a year ago. My advice is don't pay any attention to it as it is no longer relevant.

We have made many changes during the last year and a half. The majority of our management team has changed. Our uniform has changed and is paid for by TMC. Our training is done while on rotation. We have increased base pay, per diem, vacation, and bonuses.

Lastly, we have been cultivating a family oriented culture here where everyone, not just the office team or the pilot team, but everyone feels like and is a valued teammate or part of the family. We take care of our family.

Thank you for reaching out, and I am happy to answer any other questions or concerns you may have if you'd like to contact me directly.

Hello
Like others on here I work for GAMA. I usually read post and donít get involved. However I guess I am now on a fact finding mission. I along with other pilot have no delusions WUP will ultimately move all airplanes over to TMC (soon to be WUP) certificate with in a year or two. Iím not on the band wagon thatís says thatís bad but Iím also skeptical.
My question come strictly from a apple to apples comparison.

Let me start by saying I recently reviewed the TMC threads. While I understand pilots hold grudges. TMC seems to have a lot of pilots with grudges from a small operation that is alarming to me. This is why Iím a first time caller long time listener. It would seem TMC may have made changes recently but I guess itís in the eye of the beholder. 90% of the reason I came to GAMA was I found very few if any complaints with there way of doing things.

A. What is First Officer 1st year pay ( No bonus and no expected over time). Straight pay?
B. What is 1st year pilot vacation time?
C. What is TMC family insurance rate?
D. Is your 8/6 schedule mean that day 8 you go home day 8 ( assuming no break downs/ weather problems) or is it a we will try....?More or Less GAMA knows your what your go home days is and makes sure you get routed in away to allow a crew swap. Some of your former pilots have indicated itís a guide line more than a guarantee?
E. Many former TMC pilots on this thread have clearly stated TMC is a ď Get the job done regardless of a pilots concernsĒ Now I will state the FAA leave a lot of room for interpretation and basic minimums. However anyone whoís flown any real time knows that you canít really have a rule for every scenario. Allowing all 135 and 121 companies free reign to say those famous words ď Technically itís legalĒ. But do your supervisors support pilot safety concerns? And if you say YES. Why have so many pilots current/former suggested other wise?

I will repeat myself this is in no way a bashing but, honest facts Finding questions. Like in an interview I know no ones perfect but if at one time you had a problem. I would like to know why it happen and what has been changed to fix it.

galleycafe
06-07-2019, 05:16 PM
Nobody wants to listen to experience, huh?

Nobody's leaving the 'good' 135's for TMC. Enough said.

I've got a list of instances I was pilot pushed, lied to, safety compromised after it was brought to 'management's' attention, etc. I'm not going to itemize. Tigers are UNABLE to change it's stripes. Ever seen a picture of a shaved cat?

Wanna risk it? Fine. Just don't pretend you weren't warned.

Plane Coffee

Busdriver91
06-07-2019, 05:45 PM
First off, let me echo your respect and admiration towards you and everyone there at Wheels Up and Gama. Individually each team shows what hard work and dedication can do to build strong, solid, and successful companies each, in their own right.

Although I understand you or your fellow pilots' caution or fear, understand that as of right now, no changes to either business, process, or relationship have been discussed. For everyone here the business runs the same as it did last week.

As for the information you see here, we have several former employees still holding a grudge after resigning more than a year ago. My advice is don't pay any attention to it as it is no longer relevant.

We have made many changes during the last year and a half. The majority of our management team has changed. Our uniform has changed and is paid for by TMC. Our training is done while on rotation. We have increased base pay, per diem, vacation, and bonuses.

Lastly, we have been cultivating a family oriented culture here where everyone, not just the office team or the pilot team, but everyone feels like and is a valued teammate or part of the family. We take care of our family.

Thank you for reaching out, and I am happy to answer any other questions or concerns you may have if you'd like to contact me directly.

Thank you for your post. Others have pmíd me and said similar things. Hopefully in the end this is good for both of our groups, but change unfortunately brings the fear of the unknown. I also hope this discussion can remain civil and factual.

LLWS09R
06-07-2019, 05:55 PM
Nobody wants to listen to experience, huh?

Nobody's leaving the 'good' 135's for TMC. Enough said.

I've got a list of instances I was pilot pushed, lied to, safety compromised after it was brought to 'management's' attention, etc. I'm not going to itemize. Tigers are UNABLE to change it's stripes. Ever seen a picture of a shaved cat?

Wanna risk it? Fine. Just don't pretend you weren't warned.

Plane Coffee

I believe every word you have stated. I have chatted with quite a few TMC Pilot over the years and it doesnít look pretty. But GAMA has had to change over the years too.. The drama on this forum does not help anyone. Unfortunately itís left up to individual pilots to run or stay put. Managment has been quiet about this and itís left to pilots to find facts or dust off the resume. My guess is only a select few know the truth and will keep quiet with what they know.

galleycafe
06-07-2019, 06:16 PM
You sound reasonable. TMC is not. That's a fact.

Plane Coffee

hdgbug
06-08-2019, 08:04 AM
Thank you for reaching out, and I am happy to answer any other questions or concerns you may have if you'd like to contact me directly.

Why can't you answer questions posed out in the open? This and your previous posts request people message you. Why not post your information in the open so all can benefit, especially if it is so positive?

galleycafe
06-08-2019, 08:16 AM
Because divide and conquer is the name of the game.

Plane Coffee

LLWS09R
06-08-2019, 08:52 AM
Why can't you answer questions posed out in the open? This and your previous posts request people message you. Why not post your information in the open so all can benefit, especially if it is so positive?

After reaching out to an old colleague who I trust. Position and title will remain anonymous but is a TMC employee. The certificate it self is about to be WUP so that we already knew. Despite the horror stories I have heard on TMC. I donít think TMC will have a lot if any thing to do with whatís about to happen. The question is who does WUP place as D.O. and CP. IF they keep the current TMC personal in place. It may not be a good thing for GAMA Pilots. ( His words not mine). IF the GAMA personnel are retained thing should be alright. How ever as far as compensation,Duty,Vacation,Scheduales that will fall directly as who WUP management ( Or who they place in charge) decision. I understand TMC current compensation package will not really have any bearing on wheelsup. I would guess this would be the first question imposed on WUP if they ever conduct a Q&A.

Starbucks
06-08-2019, 09:59 AM
Why can't you answer questions posed out in the open? This and your previous posts request people message you. Why not post your information in the open so all can benefit, especially if it is so positive?

Sounds like management to me.

Soreloser
06-08-2019, 05:39 PM
Hello
Like others on here I work for GAMA. I usually read post and donít get involved. However I guess I am now on a fact finding mission. I along with other pilot have no delusions WUP will ultimately move all airplanes over to TMC (soon to be WUP) certificate with in a year or two. Iím not on the band wagon thatís says thatís bad but Iím also skeptical.
My question come strictly from a apple to apples comparison.

Let me start by saying I recently reviewed the TMC threads. While I understand pilots hold grudges. TMC seems to have a lot of pilots with grudges from a small operation that is alarming to me. This is why Iím a first time caller long time listener. It would seem TMC may have made changes recently but I guess itís in the eye of the beholder. 90% of the reason I came to GAMA was I found very few if any complaints with there way of doing things.

A. What is First Officer 1st year pay ( No bonus and no expected over time). Straight pay?
B. What is 1st year pilot vacation time?
C. What is TMC family insurance rate?
D. Is your 8/6 schedule mean that day 8 you go home day 8 ( assuming no break downs/ weather problems) or is it a we will try....?More or Less GAMA knows your what your go home days is and makes sure you get routed in away to allow a crew swap. Some of your former pilots have indicated itís a guide line more than a guarantee?
E. Many former TMC pilots on this thread have clearly stated TMC is a ď Get the job done regardless of a pilots concernsĒ Now I will state the FAA leave a lot of room for interpretation and basic minimums. However anyone whoís flown any real time knows that you canít really have a rule for every scenario. Allowing all 135 and 121 companies free reign to say those famous words ď Technically itís legalĒ. But do your supervisors support pilot safety concerns? And if you say YES. Why have so many pilots current/former suggested other wise?

I will repeat myself this is in no way a bashing but, honest facts Finding questions. Like in an interview I know no ones perfect but if at one time you had a problem. I would like to know why it happen and what has been changed to fix it.


Why would you think Wheels up will morph into TMC? WUP bought TMC so if anything I think TMC will morph into WUP and adopt their pay scales and work rules.

hdgbug
06-08-2019, 08:09 PM
Why would you think Wheels up will morph into TMC? WUP bought TMC so if anything I think TMC will morph into WUP and adopt their pay scales and work rules.

WUP does not employ pilots or have a certificate (that is until they bought TMC). WUP contracts out to Gama Aviation to manage the aircraft and provide crews. The concern is that WUP will migrate planes over to the TMC certificate to bring it "in house" and cut out the middle man that is Gama. Thus Gama would let all the crew go. The concern isn't that the crew wouldn't be able to get a job with TMC, WUP would still need crews after all. The concern is that there would be no real guantee that the current situation at Gama would be matched at TMC.

hdgbug
06-08-2019, 08:13 PM
Sounds like management to me.

Agreed. Not sharing these "positive" things in public is a bad sign to me. I still haven't been able to find recent PIC pay anywhere. Seems that should be an easy, safe thing to put out there...

LLWS09R
06-09-2019, 05:28 AM
Why would you think Wheels up will morph into TMC? WUP bought TMC so if anything I think TMC will morph into WUP and adopt their pay scales and work rules.

Yes thank you I did wrote a rebuttal about 3 post above this one stating that TMC would not have anything to with WUP. WUP will create their own airline . All WUP wanted was a certificate to operate 135 Charter. I Really question should be directed at WUP management not TMC crews anymore. TMC will be nothing more than what TWA was to American. A buyout! Maybe there personnel will remain in charge and if they do remain in charge under the WUP banner things may not be as kosher as we have it now a GAMA. Be WUP could come out with an industry leading work rules. No one will know til ďtheyĒ want us to know.

blulavboy
06-09-2019, 07:30 AM
Many, many question to be asked and hopefully answered in the not too distant future for sure....
We all know that Gama has several certificates under its umbrella and many thought it would be all consolidated by now but alas still operating independently. Will this news play a role in it, who knows? Gama has never had much in the way of overhead in terms of upper level management especially on the managed side. One or two guys having to wear many, many hats. It's a typical "mom and pop" operation wanting to play in the big time. Did Gama pay for the employees healthcare before they had WU?

GoGoGagetFO
06-24-2019, 03:16 PM
I have worked for TMC for 2 years and there are some things I want to say because Iíve been a long time lurker but donít really post. But many of my Gama friends have been spooked by the terrible stuff about TMC on the forums so I want to clear up some misunderstandings.

There are a LOT of butt hurt ex-TMC pilots that lurk on this forum, many of whom seem to wish the whole ship would sink. (And many who actively tried to sink it with bull**** maintenance write ups, fatigue calls, etc when they did work here) However, in the last year and a half, the new management has really turned things around. The pilots we have currently are a great group by in large and many of those who rightfully did have gripes with the old management are not around to see the way things have turned around, yet continue to try and tarnish the ďreformedĒ TMC.

Much of the information posted on the forums about TMC has not caught up with reality. Last year, we got an increase in perdiem to $55/day ($65 international), increase to entire pay scale (year 1 FO pay based on 8/6 schedule is $276.44/day, goes up to $300.48 year 2). Company pays up to $200/yr for Uniforms, 11pm go home day guarantee or get paid full extra day, train on your days on, 16 days vacation with 5years or more seniority, major maintenance is in house again (and I can honestly say that reliability has increased because of it). A typical day is a 3 leg day but 2 leg days and 4 leg days are not rare either.

I have to admit, I was nervous when the teamsters went away, yet Duty on/off times remain, and minrest is pretty rare (and when it does happen, itís usually because youíre doing or staging for a next day recovery flight), but with the new in house maintenance, and noticeably higher reliability rate, recovery flights have decreased dramatically as well (at least I donít seem to be doing them as much anymore, I donít have access to the actual statistics).

It sure will be interesting to see how the new WU relationship works out, but given Wheels Upís reputation, Iím not too worried.

LLWS09R
06-24-2019, 04:34 PM
I have worked for TMC for 2 years and there are some things I want to say because Iíve been a long time lurker but donít really post. But many of my Gama friends have been spooked by the terrible stuff about TMC on the forums so I want to clear up some misunderstandings.


There are a LOT of butt hurt ex-TMC pilots that lurk on this forum, many of whom seem to wish the whole ship would sink. (And many who actively tried to sink it with bull**** maintenance write ups, fatigue calls, etc when they did work here) However, in the last year and a half, the new management has really turned things around. The pilots we have currently are a great group by in large and many of those who rightfully did have gripes with the old management are not around to see the way things have turned around, yet continue to try and tarnish the ďreformedĒ TMC.

Much of the information posted on the forums about TMC has not caught up with reality. Last year, we got an increase in perdiem to $55/day ($65 international), increase to entire pay scale (year 1 FO pay based on 8/6 schedule is $276.44/day, goes up to $300.48 year 2). Company pays up to $200/yr for Uniforms, 11pm go home day guarantee or get paid full extra day, train on your days on, 16 days vacation with 5years or more seniority, major maintenance is in house again (and I can honestly say that reliability has increased because of it). A typical day is a 3 leg day but 2 leg days and 4 leg days are not rare either.

I have to admit, I was nervous when the teamsters went away, yet Duty on/off times remain, and minrest is pretty rare (and when it does happen, itís usually because youíre doing or staging for a next day recovery flight), but with the new in house maintenance, and noticeably higher reliability rate, recovery flights have decreased dramatically as well (at least I donít seem to be doing them as much anymore, I donít have access to the actual statistics).

It sure will be interesting to see how the new WU relationship works out, but given Wheels Upís reputation, Iím not too worried.

Thanks for the response! I along with other GAMA pilot do see some benefit decreases with what TMC offers. Now I know WUP will decide compensation level once the water begins to flow.
A. Per Diem 59.00 a day here. International is the same.
B. The 16 days vacation for 5 years would be welcomed!!
C. We get midnight as our day 8 pay, but if you do get in passed midnight 500-650 dollars is our Iím sorry about that pay.
D. 100% pilot and family medical paid for is huge for some pilots.

Lately the work schedule has been similar. I say itís more luck of the draw of which tail you get assigned too.

galleycafe
06-24-2019, 09:01 PM
I have worked for TMC for 2 years and there are some things I want to say because Iíve been a long time lurker but donít really post. But many of my Gama friends have been spooked by the terrible stuff about TMC on the forums so I want to clear up some misunderstandings.

There are a LOT of butt hurt ex-TMC pilots that lurk on this forum, many of whom seem to wish the whole ship would sink. (And many who actively tried to sink it with bull**** maintenance write ups, fatigue calls, etc when they did work here) However, in the last year and a half, the new management has really turned things around. The pilots we have currently are a great group by in large and many of those who rightfully did have gripes with the old management are not around to see the way things have turned around, yet continue to try and tarnish the ďreformedĒ TMC.

Much of the information posted on the forums about TMC has not caught up with reality. Last year, we got an increase in perdiem to $55/day ($65 international), increase to entire pay scale (year 1 FO pay based on 8/6 schedule is $276.44/day, goes up to $300.48 year 2). Company pays up to $200/yr for Uniforms, 11pm go home day guarantee or get paid full extra day, train on your days on, 16 days vacation with 5years or more seniority, major maintenance is in house again (and I can honestly say that reliability has increased because of it). A typical day is a 3 leg day but 2 leg days and 4 leg days are not rare either.

I have to admit, I was nervous when the teamsters went away, yet Duty on/off times remain, and minrest is pretty rare (and when it does happen, itís usually because youíre doing or staging for a next day recovery flight), but with the new in house maintenance, and noticeably higher reliability rate, recovery flights have decreased dramatically as well (at least I donít seem to be doing them as much anymore, I donít have access to the actual statistics).

It sure will be interesting to see how the new WU relationship works out, but given Wheels Upís reputation, Iím not too worried.

Awwww shucks. You guys fixed it all. Kudos!

You're welcome.

Plane Coffee

ThomasMagnum
06-26-2019, 08:56 AM
First post, management or buttkisser, zero credibility.

I have worked for TMC for 2 years and there are some things I want to say because Iíve been a long time lurker but donít really post. But many of my Gama friends have been spooked by the terrible stuff about TMC on the forums so I want to clear up some misunderstandings.


There are a LOT of butt hurt ex-TMC pilots that lurk on this forum, many of whom seem to wish the whole ship would sink. (And many who actively tried to sink it with bull**** maintenance write ups, fatigue calls, etc when they did work here) However, in the last year and a half, the new management has really turned things around. The pilots we have currently are a great group by in large and many of those who rightfully did have gripes with the old management are not around to see the way things have turned around, yet continue to try and tarnish the ďreformedĒ TMC.

Much of the information posted on the forums about TMC has not caught up with reality. Last year, we got an increase in perdiem to $55/day ($65 international), increase to entire pay scale (year 1 FO pay based on 8/6 schedule is $276.44/day, goes up to $300.48 year 2). Company pays up to $200/yr for Uniforms, 11pm go home day guarantee or get paid full extra day, train on your days on, 16 days vacation with 5years or more seniority, major maintenance is in house again (and I can honestly say that reliability has increased because of it). A typical day is a 3 leg day but 2 leg days and 4 leg days are not rare either.

I have to admit, I was nervous when the teamsters went away, yet Duty on/off times remain, and minrest is pretty rare (and when it does happen, itís usually because youíre doing or staging for a next day recovery flight), but with the new in house maintenance, and noticeably higher reliability rate, recovery flights have decreased dramatically as well (at least I donít seem to be doing them as much anymore, I donít have access to the actual statistics).

It sure will be interesting to see how the new WU relationship works out, but given Wheels Upís reputation, Iím not too worried.

Boris Badenov
06-26-2019, 12:26 PM
Can't spell "gadget", either.

ThomasMagnum
06-27-2019, 05:05 AM
Or gag it. Not sure which he was implying

galleycafe
06-27-2019, 08:18 AM
Gag it would be appropriate for the managerial types.

Plane Coffee

CaptainCommando
07-01-2019, 12:21 PM
This is the best self serving reply I have seen yet. Is it bitter ex employees or a bitter company? So you basically said that you are reaping the benefits of those who were pro union before you who were a huge part of getting the benefits you just mentioned. Then you call bull on the fatigue calls and MX write ups. Seems to me you are a confused person. Also, how is the retirement and healthcare going? Glad that raise helped pay for both those things. Sounds like you are really winning over there. Damn those pesky union guys that are no longer there! They made things better after all, but lets go ahead and blame them for that companies bad reputation.

StainRJDriver
08-25-2019, 05:43 PM
C. We get midnight as our day 8 pay, but if you do get in passed midnight 500-650 dollars is our Iím sorry about that pay.


Thatís not accurate. Youíre mixing it up with the regular overtime rates ($550/day for FO, $650/day for CA).

Get-home-late pay is the same for everyone, regardless of seat. $500.

LLWS09R
08-26-2019, 05:16 PM
Thatís not accurate. Youíre mixing it up with the regular overtime rates ($550/day for FO, $650/day for CA).

Get-home-late pay is the same for everyone, regardless of seat. $500.

Still better than most companyís pay out to there pilots for getting home late, including TMC.

galleycafe
08-26-2019, 08:48 PM
Still better than most companyís pay out to there pilots for getting home late, including TMC.

Bless your heart.

Plane Coffee

Das Auto
09-03-2019, 08:32 AM
Still better than most companyís pay out to there pilots for getting home late, including TMC.

No it isn't, NetJets for one pays a 300% override for getting in after midnight. It's a small consolation for what can turn into a 20+ hour day, getting home when everyone else in the house went to bed hours ago.

The schedule is 8 DAYS on, not 8 nights!

What's really frustrating is just missing the cut off by 10 or 15 minutes.
The "getting bent over on day 8," stipend should be in hourly increments in my opinion.

LLWS09R
09-03-2019, 03:24 PM
No it isn't, NetJets for one pays a 300% override for getting in after midnight. It's a small consolation for what can turn into a 20+ hour day, getting home when everyone else in the house went to bed hours ago.

The schedule is 8 DAYS on, not 8 nights!

What's really frustrating is just missing the cut off by 10 or 15 minutes.
The "getting bent over on day 8," stipend should be in hourly increments in my opinion.

I get what you are expressing and agree with your views. I just know we are not Netjets and while I wish GAMA would treat us a just as highly as their pilots are. We are not in the same category (Unionization) as them. Comparing similar companies. I guess to some pilots itís a toss up of getting 150.00 for getting home after 10pm or 500.00 for midnight.

Das Auto
09-03-2019, 08:26 PM
I get what you are expressing and agree with your views. I just know we are not Netjets and while I wish GAMA would treat us a just as highly as their pilots are. We are not in the same category (Unionization) as them. Comparing similar companies. I guess to some pilots itís a toss up of getting 150.00 for getting home after 10pm or 500.00 for midnight.

Well that's the problem. People are comparing similar companies and realizing that they would be getting more vacation for time served, sick time bank / buybacks instead of the use it or lose it policy we have, generous compensation for getting home late on day 8 (or day 7, what a concept) automatic crew meals, seniority, additional compensation for working on national holidays etc.
That's why we're losing pilots right now.

LLWS09R
09-04-2019, 11:43 AM
Well that's the problem. People are comparing similar companies and realizing that they would be getting more vacation for time served, sick time bank / buybacks instead of the use it or lose it policy we have, generous compensation for getting home late on day 8 (or day 7, what a concept) automatic crew meals, seniority, additional compensation for working on national holidays etc.
That's why we're losing pilots right now.

Sounds like people are voting with their feet. I donít know if we will see those benefits you and I seek. Although last summer after enough pilots found greener pastures. Improvements came! Will lightning strike twice?

Das Auto
09-04-2019, 06:20 PM
Sounds like people are voting with their feet. I donít know if we will see those benefits you and I seek. Although last summer after enough pilots found greener pastures. Improvements came! Will lightning strike twice?

Let's hope so my friend.

basesjuiced
09-04-2019, 08:21 PM
Wheels up/Gama has a long way to go with improving QOL for pilots. I spent a considerable amount of time at this place. Many things were enjoyable but too much of it was not In my opinion. It was becoming increasingly worse by the tour it seemed. Day 1/8 on & off tour travel is mostly a nightmare here. If you live on the west coast, good luck to you. Their unwillingness to do anything other than an 8/6(zero schedule flexibility), no added vacation based on longevity, and no holiday pay are just a few things that need to be addressed. Ops insists on keeping standby crews sitting at the airport all day long in crappy crew lounges, exhausting them when a perfectly suitable day room down the road is available to keep guys/gals fresh. It wears on people tour after tour and that seems to be the disconnect between management/Ops and the pilots. Voting with my feet is exactly what I did as you put it, and I haven't looked back for a second. Having said that there are some nice things about Gama. Health care is fantastic, I got every vacation I bid for, and days off are yours. Depending on need, you have options for OT as well sometimes at nice daily rates. Earlier on hotels were great but I saw a somewhat gradual decline, and just needless/careless arrangements for crew members. Anyone PM me if you would like and I can answer questions the best I can

LLWS09R
09-05-2019, 01:10 PM
I almost wonder with regards to the whole start of this thread. Does GAMA even care anymore? If They know in 2-3 years they wonít be flying WUP aircraft. Why would they care??

ThomasMagnum
09-05-2019, 06:34 PM
You guys do realize the airlines are hiring, right?

LLWS09R
09-06-2019, 08:08 AM
You guys do realize the airlines are hiring, right?

Yes... Who do you know at Delta Southwest United American that will pull my application and put it on the top? Trust me there is way more application than there are jobs. There is only a shortage in the regionals market. Short of a brand new FO with 1500 hrs I doubt any one would be foolish enough to leave and work for regionals. A pilot going from confirmed tickets from home to commuting for reserves and crash pads cost and life style. Any bonus would be negated by the cost of just getting to work. Thatís why I am not completely saying GAMA a bad place. They do offer older pilots with family at least a happy medium.

A few exceptions to my statement maybe. If you live in base a lateral transfer would no be that hard for a pilot. Or depending on age and family status the flow threw agreement most regionals have may motivate a pilot to suffer 3-9 years. But keep in mind Iíve heard a lot of flow threws are only guaranteed interviews or there is many gotcha hidden rules for the guaranteed job so be careful!

David Puddy
09-07-2019, 05:02 PM
Yes... Who do you know at Delta Southwest United American that will pull my application and put it on the top? Trust me there is way more application than there are jobs. There is only a shortage in the regionals market. Short of a brand new FO with 1500 hrs I doubt any one would be foolish enough to leave and work for regionals. A pilot going from confirmed tickets from home to commuting for reserves and crash pads cost and life style. Any bonus would be negated by the cost of just getting to work. Thatís why I am not completely saying GAMA a bad place. They do offer older pilots with family at least a happy medium.

A few exceptions to my statement maybe. If you live in base a lateral transfer would no be that hard for a pilot. Or depending on age and family status the flow threw agreement most regionals have may motivate a pilot to suffer 3-9 years. But keep in mind Iíve heard a lot of flow threws are only guaranteed interviews or there is many gotcha hidden rules for the guaranteed job so be careful!

Not sure about the legacies, but Iíve seen through various social media several WU/Gama folks jump over to JB, Spirit and Frontier lately. Most had primarily King Air time.

PW4060
04-23-2020, 08:15 AM
So, still curious after all the previous messages; what is the captain pay at TMC? Also curious about the ďquick upgradeĒ that is advertised in the First Officer job description in the TMC Jets website. Any idea if they will even hire after the current crisis situation improves?

USAFPilot85
04-25-2020, 05:43 PM
TMC is hiring into a pool for hopeful 1 June in person interviews. Spoke with their chief pilot the other day as part of the process. Capt pay starts at $399 per day they have an 8/6 and 15/13 schedule and are home based.

So, still curious after all the previous messages; what is the captain pay at TMC? Also curious about the ďquick upgradeĒ that is advertised in the First Officer job description in the TMC Jets website. Any idea if they will even hire after the current crisis situation improves?

PW4060
04-29-2020, 08:43 AM
TMC is hiring into a pool for hopeful 1 June in person interviews. Spoke with their chief pilot the other day as part of the process. Capt pay starts at $399 per day they have an 8/6 and 15/13 schedule and are home based.

Thank you very much for that reply. Pleased to hear that interviews are still planned in this economic environment.