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FlyGuy2112
06-10-2019, 08:33 AM
Rumor on the block is the most recent 175 delivery is EOW equipped.


ParkingatMIA
06-10-2019, 08:41 AM
175s to MIA confirmed!!

3GreenKSNA
06-10-2019, 08:58 AM
What's the newest tails? Will look up the BOW in DECS.

-Keep the dirty side down


FlyGuy2112
06-10-2019, 09:06 AM
What's the newest tails? Will look up the BOW in DECS.

-Keep the dirty side down

280NN

Filler

buddies8
06-10-2019, 09:11 AM
175s to MIA confirmed!!

No, its Bermuda turns from dca.

jake cutter
06-10-2019, 10:42 AM
Is this the thread where we revive talk of taking over YX flying out of MIA via DFW? Anyone know if AAís keeping them around?

buddies8
06-10-2019, 11:20 AM
AA will not get rid of anyone else. RAH, SKW, MESA, PDT, PSA and ENY
Will remain, and the flying awarded will be like a shell game.

blackbox348
06-10-2019, 11:32 AM
Honestly Iím more concerned about our bottom of industry pay than if our 175s have life vest and rafts, not even those will save this sinking ship if we donít get fair compensation soon.

BigZ
06-10-2019, 11:44 AM
AA will not get rid of anyone else. RAH, SKW, PDT, PSA and ENY
Will remain, and the flying awarded will be like a shell game.
FIFY

Filler

MD-11Loader
06-10-2019, 12:32 PM
Is this the thread where we revive talk of taking over YX flying out of MIA via DFW? Anyone know if AAís keeping them around?

AAG owns 26% of Republic, they arenít leaving anytime soon. I say banish them to PHL and leave them there.

AeroEnvoy
06-10-2019, 12:41 PM
I can already see a non EOW 175 being accidentally dispatched to the Caribbean and the pilots losing their certificates.

3GreenKSNA
06-10-2019, 02:02 PM
I can already see a non EOW 175 being accidentally dispatched to the Caribbean and the pilots losing their certificates.Companies have ETOPS and non ETOPS aircraft of the same type, hopefully some good digital stop gap mechanism will be put in place to remove the human error factor.

-Keep the dirty side down

pitchattitude
06-10-2019, 02:48 PM
Companies have ETOPS and non ETOPS aircraft of the same type, hopefully some good digital stop gap mechanism will be put in place to remove the human error factor.

-Keep the dirty side down
Yeah... You going to trust ENVOY to protect your certificate??!!

You know better than that.

Tpinks
06-10-2019, 04:00 PM
AAG owns 26% of Republic, they arenít leaving anytime soon. I say banish them to PHL and leave them there.
HA, You wish!

PSA and piedmont can keep that crap hole.

pitchattitude
06-10-2019, 04:47 PM
AAG owns 26% of Republic, they arenít leaving anytime soon. I say banish them to PHL and leave them there.

And there is even less chance of Dougie and company leaving Mesa in the dirt.

dera
06-10-2019, 06:18 PM
Already posted elsewhere. 080/081 have 2 rafts.

buddies8
06-10-2019, 09:18 PM
You think they will put that in the aom plus tech notice on procedures.
Bunch of bufoons

Varsity
06-11-2019, 02:25 AM
You think they will put that in the aom plus tech notice on procedures.
Bunch of bufoons

And update the opspec.. and send every 175 pilot through eow training during recurrent.

Or we can just post more 175 nonsense.

chrisreedrules
06-11-2019, 03:30 AM
AA will not get rid of anyone else. RAH, SKW, MESA, PDT, PSA and ENY
Will remain, and the flying awarded will be like a shell game.

I wouldnít be so sure about that...

airlinegypsy
06-11-2019, 05:12 AM
And update the opspec.. and send every 175 pilot through eow training during recurrent.



Or we can just post more 175 nonsense.



Donít forget about sending every pilot and FA through ditching training.


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Cyio
06-11-2019, 06:58 AM
While I dont know "why" we are getting them that way, I am fairly certain we will never fly them in that opspec. The training, procedures, not to mention the changing of manuals and not being able to use them for Canadian flying all point to this being a non-event.

Maybe we are flying them until Republic can staff them.

bigtime209
06-11-2019, 07:10 AM
While I dont know "why" we are getting them that way, I am fairly certain we will never fly them in that opspec. The training, procedures, not to mention the changing of manuals and not being able to use them for Canadian flying all point to this being a non-event.

Maybe we are flying them until Republic can staff them.

If this is really happening, it's not a big deal to implement it. The training should be a non event. At Republic, they just have some extra slides in their CBTs about it. Don't have to jump in the pool. And if they aren't retrofitting the other planes, they'll use those for the Canada flying.

Cyio
06-11-2019, 07:31 AM
If this is really happening, it's not a big deal to implement it. The training should be a non event. At Republic, they just have some extra slides in their CBTs about it. Don't have to jump in the pool. And if they aren't retrofitting the other planes, they'll use those for the Canada flying.
I just donít see them locking a few planes into one type of flying. Envoy is constantly moving planes around.

At the end of the day it doesnít really matter and I guess the plan will surface eventually. I could be totally wrong, I will give you that.

CrowneVic
06-11-2019, 07:37 AM
279MQ is on property. Donít know if that is equipped or not, and unsure of the reason for the change in the registration format.

jake cutter
06-11-2019, 07:46 AM
LAX to HNL

pitchattitude
06-11-2019, 08:29 AM
279MQ is on property. Donít know if that is equipped or not, and unsure of the reason for the change in the registration format.

We will probably hear one of these days. There are several that have the letters changed to the initials of someone to honor them for one reason or another.

3GreenKSNA
06-11-2019, 08:37 AM
279MQ is on property. Donít know if that is equipped or not, and unsure of the reason for the change in the registration format.MQ is the IATA code for Envoy, the Original American Eagle, and prior to that Simmons one of the original five American Eagles. Paying homage to the lineage.

-Keep the dirty side down

buddies8
06-11-2019, 08:43 AM
My point was, were are supposed getting aircraft with certain equipment added to the aircraft, it has to be in the aom for there location, what they are, what they for.
Its required by faa, even if we are not flying eow.
Just like the added antennas to some aircraft, nothing in the aom.
Backward bufoons.

mketch11
06-11-2019, 09:00 AM
We need to make sure new hires know that pilots of the E175 get paid more for flying these aircraft at Envoy. Just check out the pay scales for the ďlarge RJĒ / small widebody! Also, each time you fly an aircraft equipped with a life raft, you earn a $20 override on top of your already higher hourly rate. Not to mention they actually have first class seating so the tips are going to be even better on these planes. Who needs a raise when we can use these awesome EOW 175s as a recruiting tool?!

CaseTractor
06-11-2019, 09:46 AM
While I dont know "why" we are getting them that way, I am fairly certain we will never fly them in that opspec. The training, procedures, not to mention the changing of manuals and not being able to use them for Canadian flying all point to this being a non-event.

Maybe we are flying them until Republic can staff them.

For my edification, why does ETOPS equipped prevent Canadian operations? I'm not familiar with all the ins and outs of ETOPS

buddies8
06-11-2019, 09:56 AM
They said it adds 500 pounds to the eow aircraft and the dfw to Canada flights would be affected. Personally I believe it to be b.s.

pitchattitude
06-11-2019, 10:01 AM
For my edification, why does ETOPS equipped prevent Canadian operations? I'm not familiar with all the ins and outs of ETOPS
NOT ETOPS, EOW, Extended Over Water. Two completely different things. Although ETOPS is definitely extended WAY over water!

pitchattitude
06-11-2019, 10:04 AM
They said it adds 500 pounds to the eow aircraft and the dfw to Canada flights would be affected. Personally I believe it to be b.s.
Whether or not the EOW is a fact or not, 500 lbs is 500 lbs. If youíve done any of the Canada stuff out of DFW, particularly in winter, and need an alternate you have to bump pax. 500 pounds of gas is a couple of revenue pax that might be left behind. And as much as the company complains about hauling extra gas, they arenít going to haul extra equipment all over the system that is not necessary.

Houpilot2001
06-11-2019, 10:46 AM
Whether or not the EOW is a fact or not, 500 lbs is 500 lbs. If youíve done any of the Canada stuff out of DFW, particularly in winter, and need an alternate you have to bump pax. 500 pounds of gas is a couple of revenue pax that might be left behind. And as much as the company complains about hauling extra gas, they arenít going to haul extra equipment all over the system that is not necessary.

Damn scope.

3GreenKSNA
06-11-2019, 11:04 AM
Extended over water allows an aircraft to fly beyond 50NM from the coast line.

ETOPS = Extended Twin engine operations.

This allows an operator to fly a twin engine aircraft greater than one hour at single engine cruise speed from an alternate airport. There are different tiers of ETOPS, 120 minute and 180 minute. This does not apply to three and four engine aircraft.

A MEL for an ETOPS aircraft is a lot more stringent than for a non ETOPS. It is possible for an aircraft to be still airworthy but downgraded to non ETOPS compliant. Also maintenance intervals for ETOPS aircraft are more frequent.



-Keep the dirty side down

3GreenKSNA
06-11-2019, 11:07 AM
Damn scope.One of the most important thing we have!

Otherwise this B scale outfit would get huge.

-Keep the dirty side down

Houpilot2001
06-11-2019, 12:34 PM
One of the most important thing we have!

Otherwise this B scale outfit would get huge.

-Keep the dirty side down

I was referring to the 500 lbs of weight when clearly the 175 can handle it. :D

buddies8
06-11-2019, 03:44 PM
Whether or not the EOW is a fact or not, 500 lbs is 500 lbs. If youíve done any of the Canada stuff out of DFW, particularly in winter, and need an alternate you have to bump pax. 500 pounds of gas is a couple of revenue pax that might be left behind. And as much as the company complains about hauling extra gas, they arenít going to haul extra equipment all over the system that is not necessary.

I understand your points, mine was that they are not going to have 90 e75's eow'd it's my guess more like ten. So the dfw excuse is b.s. as a whole.

AB321Driver
06-11-2019, 05:24 PM
Mia-stt
mia-sxm

3GreenKSNA
06-11-2019, 05:31 PM
Mia-stt

mia-sxmWe already have 7P pages for SXM, I think this had been looked at before.

-Keep the dirty side down

blackbox348
06-11-2019, 05:38 PM
Mia-stt
mia-sxm

Do either of these have a LaQuinta?

Varsity
06-11-2019, 07:30 PM
Do either of these have a LaQuinta?

Nope, but both have a Wyndham

havick206
06-11-2019, 07:40 PM
Nope, but both have a Wyndham

Which is also la Quinta now.

KodiakRS
06-14-2019, 03:14 PM
Is the MQ certificate allowed to do EOW? Unless my memory fails me all the ATR's were on the EX cert.

buddies8
06-14-2019, 04:49 PM
Yes........

airlinegypsy
06-14-2019, 09:52 PM
Is the MQ certificate allowed to do EOW? Unless my memory fails me all the ATR's were on the EX cert.



MQ certificate never had any EOW water capable aircraft and no crew members were ever trained for it. NA (executive) was. All crew members were initially qualified by jumping into the pool and climbing in a raft.


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Tpinks
06-21-2019, 08:18 AM
Extended over water allows an aircraft to fly beyond 50NM from the coast line.

ETOPS = Extended Twin engine operations.

This allows an operator to fly a twin engine aircraft greater than one hour at single engine cruise speed from an alternate airport. There are different tiers of ETOPS, 120 minute and 180 minute. This does not apply to three and four engine aircraft.

A MEL for an ETOPS aircraft is a lot more stringent than for a non ETOPS. It is possible for an aircraft to be still airworthy but downgraded to non ETOPS compliant. Also maintenance intervals for ETOPS aircraft are more frequent.



-Keep the dirty side down
ETOPS is no longer Extended Twin Operationís. Now itís ExTended OPerationS and includes all aircraft. It has been this way since 2007. The 747-8 was the first airliner with more than two engines certified under ETOPS.

There are also numerous ETOPS levels, predominantly 60, 90, 120/138, 180/207, 270, 330.

amcnd
06-21-2019, 11:12 AM
ETOPS is no longer Extended Twin Operationís. Now itís ExTended OPerationS and includes all aircraft. It has been this way since 2007. The 747-8 was the first airliner with more than two engines certified under ETOPS.

There are also numerous ETOPS levels, predominantly 60, 90, 120/138, 180/207, 270, 330.

Most regionals do the 120...

MD-11Loader
06-21-2019, 02:40 PM
I flew on the newest 175 two days ago and it doesnít have any over water equipment. Money says that this story of rafts and life jackets is a tall tale.

Cyio
06-21-2019, 02:50 PM
I flew on the newest 175 two days ago and it doesnít have any over water equipment. Money says that this story of rafts and life jackets is a tall tale.

I would agree. It makes no sense for Envoy to have that option.

dvtpilot
06-21-2019, 07:38 PM
I donít know what routine they use for delivery flights, but is it possible some extra equipment is installed for those long range delivery flights then removed during conformity?

pitchattitude
06-21-2019, 08:53 PM
I donít know what routine they use for delivery flights, but is it possible some extra equipment is installed for those long range delivery flights then removed during conformity?
Possible, but those flights arenít 121, so different regs.

dera
06-22-2019, 03:12 AM
Possible, but those flights arenít 121, so different regs.

More likely explanation is that they are removed during conformance and kept in ABI until they are needed.

Varsity
06-22-2019, 03:47 AM
More likely explanation is that they are removed during conformance and kept in ABI until they are needed.

They were never installed dude.

Envoy doesn't have anything overwater.. anywhere.

Cyio
06-22-2019, 04:07 AM
More likely explanation is that they are removed during conformance and kept in ABI until they are needed.
Its looking like this entire thing was a non-issue. As many have said, Envoy doesn't have nor want any over water operation operations. It is, in my point of view, not worth the hassle for the company. The company would be much better served using existing fleet and future fleet to expand west to eat away at Skywests main market.

NoValueAviator
06-22-2019, 04:16 AM
Envoy doesnít decide what Envoy does. Neither does AAG. Republic and Skywest do. What they donít want or canít do for a month, thatís what winds up in our bid packet. See: DFW-CLL.

We do seem to be able to bully Piedmont to some extent though. As an eternally junior FO, all I fly is former Piedmont pairings.

450knotOffice
06-24-2019, 10:27 AM
Most regionals do the 120...

Thatís was tongue in cheek, right?

ETOPS and EOW are two different animals.

moon
06-24-2019, 12:29 PM
I flew on the newest 175 two days ago and it doesnít have any over water equipment. Money says that this story of rafts and life jackets is a tall tale.

It came from a DECS code. Probably just a place holder till delivery. JDM*tailnumber

TheRaven
06-25-2019, 04:47 PM
Most regionals do the 120...

Lol....show me 1 Route you fly where youíre 120 min from an airport you could land at.



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