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fireSHAD0W
06-13-2019, 02:55 PM
Been watching this forum closely as my logbook fills up. Currently a cadet and second guessing my choice (I know you guys will tell me to run). I do like the MIA base option and flow even if itís a 10 year delay.

Anyways due to all the indecision I applied to a few others and have an offer from Republic and PSA but very little time left to decide. Other than the pay/bases I wanted more information on deciding factors and figured a good comparison would be contracts and flight manual details. Do I have access to at least the Envoy one since I am an employee? Any places to get my hands on them?

Also, I know how stupid it sounds to sign up for something without looking at the contract but with the limited amount of experience and information provided and all around me (including senior CFIs) raving about what a good opportunity being a cadet was I jumped on it. Trying to atone for my sins now...


FlyGuy2112
06-13-2019, 03:56 PM
Donít second guess your decision. Pilots are complainers by nature. You can give them gold bars and people would ***** about them having scratches.

pitchattitude
06-13-2019, 04:29 PM
Been watching this forum closely as my logbook fills up. Currently a cadet and second guessing my choice (I know you guys will tell me to run). I do like the MIA base option and flow even if itís a 10 year delay.

Anyways due to all the indecision I applied to a few others and have an offer from Republic and PSA but very little time left to decide. Other than the pay/bases I wanted more information on deciding factors and figured a good comparison would be contracts and flight manual details. Do I have access to at least the Envoy one since I am an employee? Any places to get my hands on them?

Also, I know how stupid it sounds to sign up for something without looking at the contract but with the limited amount of experience and information provided and all around me (including senior CFIs) raving about what a good opportunity being a cadet was I jumped on it. Trying to atone for my sins now...
I donít think that as a cadet you can access that stuff. And without the others to compare to, you really canít tell anything anyway.

The Envoy contract is VERY convoluted. If you have been following this forum, then you have seen discussions about how little even people who have been at the company for a while donít understand. Much of it has been amended with LOAs. Letter of agreement and it is really hard to go back and forth even if you know WTF youíre looking for/at. And again you would have to have the other contracts to compare.


pitchattitude
06-13-2019, 04:32 PM
Donít second guess your decision. Pilots are complainers by nature. You can give them gold bars and people would ***** about them having scratches.
And those gold bars are just so [email protected] heavy too.

buddies8
06-13-2019, 05:06 PM
Seems every week someone starts a new thread regarding same topic, why is that.
They must be to lazy to do a simple search.

Cyio
06-14-2019, 02:19 AM
Do you have a degree with a clean record? If so Republic sounds great. Remember AA owns a part of them so they are not going anywhere.

If not, PSA is currently a better choice however if you can wait out another week or so perhaps some progress will be made on our negotiations.

NoValueAviator
06-14-2019, 02:43 AM
If I were picking a regional today Iíd look for inertia. Places where raises, improvements, etc happen. This is not one of those places, and never will be. Management is going for blood just to even consider throwing us a paltry raise our peers at Piedmont and PSA already got without much discussion or with back pay. They want concessions on what is widely regarded as a very anti-pilot, concessionary contract, forced on the pilot group under threat of dissolving the airline. If you have specific questions about the contract Iím happy to help in PMs. Otherwise, Iíd recommend any thread here about reserve.

Ijustlikeflying
06-14-2019, 04:11 AM
And those gold bars are just so [email protected] heavy too.

Yeah, as if we donít have enough to carry around, and Iím always having to get them shined.

highfarfast
06-14-2019, 08:18 AM
Do you have a degree with a clean record? If so Republic sounds great. Remember AA owns a part of them so they are not going anywhere.

If not, PSA is currently a better choice however if you can wait out another week or so perhaps some progress will be made on our negotiations.

We are not getting anything in another week or so. Management is not offering anything anywhere close to what any of us will accept.

Cyio
06-14-2019, 10:36 AM
We are not getting anything in another week or so. Management is not offering anything anywhere close to what any of us will accept.

Ok fair enough. Take that part out.

BIueSideUp
06-15-2019, 04:40 PM
Hope you're still paying attention to what's going on here....

NoValueAviator
06-15-2019, 11:24 PM
If I were picking a regional today Iíd look for inertia. Places where raises, improvements, etc happen. This is not one of those places, and never will be. Management is going for blood just to even consider throwing us a paltry raise our peers at Piedmont and PSA already got without much discussion or with back pay. They want concessions on what is widely regarded as a very anti-pilot, concessionary contract, forced on the pilot group under threat of dissolving the airline. If you have specific questions about the contract Iím happy to help in PMs. Otherwise, Iíd recommend any thread here about reserve.

Nevermind, management totally rejected any possibility of increased pay or improvements to contract. Pilots who care at all about their career should look elsewhere.