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flyitfast
06-21-2019, 06:32 AM
I ran into a Netjets first year fo in AUS. He is a former Flexjet pilot, 2001 or 2002 hire date. He was a Challenger fo here. He is on the Latitude at Netjets. I donít know him personally, but the pilot I was flying with knew him. He flys the 72 schedule, so 18 days per month. He volunteers for 8 day rotations. He showed us his year to date earnings summary. He has earned just over $70,000 through the month of May. That puts him on track to gross just under $170,000 in his first year. Iím in my thirteenth year at Flexjet. Iím a Phenom captain. Iím on track to gross $145,000. My questions are:
1) What is the override for 8 day rotations?
2) If you are on the 72 schedule, how long is each vacation, including days off on either side?
3) How does PTO work as far as the pilot selecting days off? Can I elect to take two days on either end of a rotation to block 10 or 11 days in a row off?
4) Does the Phenom fly as much as the Latitude?
5) What is the height requirement to size test out of the Phenom?
Thank you!


jetlag7
06-21-2019, 07:57 AM
1. Base salary is increased +3% for the entire bid period a pilot signs-up for 8-day trips (even if you never fly an 8-day trip, you still get paid the override for that bid period)

2. Each full vacation period is 7 days. On the 72 schedule, the company will not put you on the schedule the 4 days prior to and the 4 days following your vacation week. These 8 "lead-in" days combine with a vacation week for a 15 day duty free block.

3. PTO days are bid through the portal on the company website. They are bid on a monthly basis right after the Crew Schedules are awarded. After the monthly PTO bids are awarded, remaining PTO days available are placed on the "First Come, First Served" portal where a pilot can pick-through the leftovers. First Come PTO days are awarded instantaneously. -- depending on PTO days available (notwithstanding company blackout dates, etc...) you might be able to accomplish what you are suggesting. -- However, you cannot use PTO days to shorten a trip to 4 days or less (you would have to take the entire trip off).

4. I haven't flown the Phenom or Lat, but am told the Latitude and the CL350 are the two busiest fleets.

5. Anyone can request a fit test, it has more to do with femur length than overall height. Not surprisingly, the company will not disclose what the specific measurements are... Pilots have to go through the process individually to find out if they fit or not.

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AirBear
06-21-2019, 09:10 AM
1st year F/O pay on the CC76 starting this December is $85,446, that's off the pay grid thread. As already stated add 3% for 8 day tours, that brings it up to $88,009. Before the FDP program started you could usually make another 10% on overtime and holiday pay. Now you can make quite a bit more depending on how busy your fleet is. You'll easily break 100K after getting thru training and hit the line.

The Latitude is the hottest selling jet NJA has, there are up to 100 of them now. So there's a good chance you'd get hired into it. I flew the Phenom, it's somewhat busy but breaks more than the Latitude. Probably won't be as much FDP pay but it'll still be quite a few extra $$$. FYI, I'm 5'10" with a 30" inseam and still had one detent left on the rudder pedal adjustment.


jtf560
06-23-2019, 12:46 AM
I ran into a Netjets first year fo in AUS. He is a former Flexjet pilot, 2001 or 2002 hire date. He was a Challenger fo here. He is on the Latitude at Netjets. I donít know him personally, but the pilot I was flying with knew him. He flys the 72 schedule, so 18 days per month. He volunteers for 8 day rotations. He showed us his year to date earnings summary. He has earned just over $70,000 through the month of May. That puts him on track to gross just under $170,000 in his first year. Iím in my thirteenth year at Flexjet. Iím a Phenom captain. Iím on track to gross $145,000. My questions are:

1) What is the override for 8 day rotations?

2) If you are on the 72 schedule, how long is each vacation, including days off on either side?

3) How does PTO work as far as the pilot selecting days off? Can I elect to take two days on either end of a rotation to block 10 or 11 days in a row off?

4) Does the Phenom fly as much as the Latitude?

5) What is the height requirement to size test out of the Phenom?

Thank you!I can't imagine any way a first year SIC would be able to do that well. No contract bonus for him to have a big one time pay bump. The only way would be to be done with training and fully online by January 1st and on the 76day schedule with the long tour option and extending almost every day he would have been off along with a crazy amount of FDP pay. I'd rate it as a 1% chance for a first year SIC (going into 2nd year) would do that well as a NetJets SIC.

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AirBear
06-23-2019, 07:14 AM
I can't see making more than $130K 1st year, and that's the 1st year after you hit the line. And that's only if you fly your ass off in a busy fleet making tons of FDP. Using $89K 1st year SIC on 8 day option, adding 10% OT and Holiday pay and other misc pay, might put you at $97K. And that's above average I think unless you live at a domicile that barely qualifies with enough airline service and results in a few after midnight arrivals home (those pay 2 extended days).

I've seen some post on the various NJA threads about year to date FDP pay and I don't think I've seen anyone say over $15K so far, (could be wrong about that) and that might include the 1/3 that goes into your 401k. So really I'd take an educated guess you won't see over $120K unless you fly a lot of extended days.

But also factor in our great health insurance that we pay nothing for. Office visit is a flat $20; ER and/or hospital admission is a flat $150; diagnostic imaging has zero copay. If you add what you're paying for healthcare now that might make quite a difference. Also add the 55% match to the 401K ($10,450 if maxing the $19K contribution).

Depending on what you spend on healthcare that could get you close to the $145K you're on track to make at the current job.

NJA04
06-23-2019, 08:44 AM
FYI

I've been flying with a November 2018 hire. He works the 7/7 and tries to get the max 4 extended days per trimester (the 4 extended day max is a 7/7 limit only). He's on track to be around $110k gross pay for the year.

2020 his base pay will increase $6K because it's his second year and contract "COLA"

I'm a 15 year capt. I only work the 7/7, I don't extend, I take all my vacation and PTO days (I work the minimum). When I subtract out the $25k one time contract signing bonus we got in January, I'm on track to hit $217k in gross pay.

15 year capt base pay increases $5k for 2020

NJA04
06-23-2019, 09:04 AM
I've seen some post on the various NJA threads about year to date FDP pay and I don't think I've seen anyone say over $15K so far, (could be wrong about that) and that might include the 1/3 that goes into your 401k. So really I'd take an educated guess you won't see over $120K unless you fly a lot of extended days.



I'm on the 7/7, no extended days. Pay period ending 6/15, I'm at $13,800 flight pay, $1,700 non flight assignment, and $240 night flight pay. I'd say I'm average for the Latitude fleet. I've never broken the 30 hour mark for a week. I've had 2 weeks of less than 12.1. Most weeks I'm 22-27 hrs. I could definitely fly more hours in a week but I usually get one day of hotspare each week.

Someone on the 8 day tours would definitely make more than me.

David Puddy
06-24-2019, 07:48 AM
Is there any incentive for pilots to bid a new fleet like the Longitude with the potential for EIS glitches or unknown early demand? Would someone leave a busy fleet like the Latitude or 350 for a new fleet considering the FDP?

Clearly pilots from the less busy or smaller aircraft fleets would consider the Longitude.

asherpa
06-24-2019, 08:02 AM
FYI

I've been flying with a November 2018 hire. He works the 7/7 and tries to get the max 4 extended days per trimester (the 4 extended day max is a 7/7 limit only). He's on track to be around $110k gross pay for the year.

2020 his base pay will increase $6K because it's his second year and contract "COLA"

I'm a 15 year capt. I only work the 7/7, I don't extend, I take all my vacation and PTO days (I work the minimum). When I subtract out the $25k one time contract signing bonus we got in January, I'm on track to hit $217k in gross pay.

15 year capt base pay increases $5k for 2020
Do you how much First Officer makes 1st year ??? Thanks

Blueridger
06-24-2019, 08:18 AM
Also add the 55% match to the 401K ($10,450 if maxing the $19K contribution).

Technically, the company is matching at 56% for this year.

Also, keep in mind that 33% of your FDP pay will be deposited as a non discretionary company contribution to your 401k, so you’ll only see 67% in your actual paycheck. Good for those that aren’t good at saving....

Also, to add to what’s been said, the 8 day option is more a of chance to get more FDP money out of a tour, versus collecting the measly 3% override. That’s why is has suddenly become so popular. Last 8 day I did netted me $2900 in FDP pay.

As far as making 170k on first year pay, I call BS! No way is that going to happen. High end of the range would be just shy of 130k. That includes base pay, 12 extended days per year, 10% soft pay, and 30k in FDP earnings. You’d have to permanently live out of your suitcase to make more....

MWilliams
06-24-2019, 08:23 AM
Do you how much First Officer makes 1st year ??? Thanks

These are conservative numbers that do not include insurance, per diem, and bonuses.

7/7 & CC60 - 85k
CC 72 - 92k
CC 76 - 97k

smwalker21
06-24-2019, 08:28 AM
Do you how much First Officer makes 1st year ??? Thanks
I'm a new hire on the Citation X, Don't see how it's possible to make $170K first year. Realistic salary is about $115K, I'm on the one smallest, least utilized fleet I believe and I'm on track to make about $95K. I'm also on the 7&7 schedule which is not a great schedule for making maximum money.

asherpa
06-24-2019, 08:38 AM
These are conservative numbers that do not include insurance, per diem, and bonuses.

7/7 & CC60 - 85k
CC 72 - 92k
CC 76 - 97k

Thank you so much....

asherpa
06-24-2019, 08:39 AM
I'm a new hire on the Citation X, Don't see how it's possible to make $170K first year. Realistic salary is about $115K, I'm on the one smallest, least utilized fleet I believe and I'm on track to make about $95K. I'm also on the 7&7 schedule which is not a great schedule for making maximum money.

Thank you so much

NetJets_DA2Easy
06-24-2019, 06:42 PM
He learned how to hotwire that new iphone app to go right to the $8000 circle LOL.

I dont see how a first year F/O on 72 day could make 170K. Base is 80K thats with the 3% added for 8 day tours, so 170 minus 80 is 90 thousand in fdpp or ot and holiday, extended days.. it would take more than 7 thousand a month to make 170

Guard
06-26-2019, 10:02 AM
I'm a new hire on the Citation X, Don't see how it's possible to make $170K first year. Realistic salary is about $115K, I'm on the one smallest, least utilized fleet I believe and I'm on track to make about $95K. I'm also on the 7&7 schedule which is not a great schedule for making maximum money.

I'M Latitude first year, I do try to use the 4 extension days per quarter which ads about $5K a quarter as they seem to alway use me. With FDP I am on track for about $110-115 first year on 7/7. Problem is you can make $5K one week and $2500 next tour, hard to gage. But overall I think Latitude and 350 are working the most? I do not see how you make $170K first year?

I would say the biggest selling point here now is most guys are happy to be out making FDP and from what I am told that's a revolution from 7 months ago. Fun place to come to work and in the spring I was getting some good layovers in the Islands.

Guard
06-26-2019, 10:24 AM
He learned how to hotwire that new iphone app to go right to the $8000 circle LOL.

I dont see how a first year F/O on 72 day could make 170K. Base is 80K thats with the 3% added for 8 day tours, so 170 minus 80 is 90 thousand in fdpp or ot and holiday, extended days.. it would take more than 7 thousand a month to make 170

I will say the "money wheel" is brilliant, check it after every flight and get a brief update hoping for another leg, money *****s we are!

GeeWizDriver
06-26-2019, 11:50 AM
I will say the "money wheel" is brilliant, check it after every flight and get a brief update hoping for another leg, money *****s we are!

A little dab of white out on that part of the iphone screen would do wonders....:D

jetlag7
06-26-2019, 12:42 PM
I will say the "money wheel" is brilliant, check it after every flight and get a brief update hoping for another leg, money *****s we are!"Wheel of Fortune" [emoji23][emoji23]

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flyitfast
06-26-2019, 03:22 PM
I think he is on the 76, not the 72. And that ytd earnings may have included his first pay from June. But it was $70k. So apparently he is living out of his suitcase...I am impressed, but I wouldnít want to work like that. Still $115 for a first year is darn good!

Guard
06-26-2019, 03:28 PM
I think he is on the 76, not the 72. And that ytd earnings may have included his first pay from June. But it was $70k. So apparently he is living out of his suitcase...I am impressed, but I wouldnít want to work like that. Still $115 for a first year is darn good!

$115 to work 5 months a year ant that bad my friend, with two 3 week blocks of time off!

Egliderjet
06-26-2019, 05:45 PM
$115 to work 5 months a year ant that bad my friend, with two 3 week blocks of time off!



Just stop. You do not get vacation first year. You earn it first.


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su2099
06-26-2019, 08:15 PM
Whatís the demographic of pilots who like to be on the road for 7+ days at a time?

symbian simian
06-26-2019, 11:26 PM
Whatís the demographic of pilots who like to be on the road for 7+ days at a time?

I did 10 on 5 off for 7 years, followed by 7/7 for 8 years. Have to say 7/7 is better.

727C47
06-27-2019, 02:14 AM
Whatís the demographic of pilots who like to be on the road for 7+ days at a time?

Kids in college, stuffing the 401k as retirement looms,just bought an airplane and have to pay it off, catching up ( still ) after a furlough, everybody has their reasons. I did it for one quarter while my wife was on maternity leave, 76 day , 8 day tours, in the mighty XL , and swiftly returned to my 7&7 when she returned to her 737, it was challenging , and exhausting, but it paid well, and God bless the guys and girls on it.

Vital Signs
06-27-2019, 03:04 AM
You left out divorced or would be divorced if you spent too much time at home.

wankel7
06-27-2019, 03:05 AM
$115 to work 5 months a year ant that bad my friend, with two 3 week blocks of time off!

Working the 76 day with 14 total vacation days is not even close to 150 days per year. It is more like 214 days per year.

wankel7
06-27-2019, 03:08 AM
Whatís the demographic of pilots who like to be on the road for 7+ days at a time?


Just over half of the pilot group is on the 7/7.

If you have been around for 10 years you have 28 days of vacation. So on the 7/7 that means four 21 day blocks of time off.

GeeWizDriver
06-27-2019, 08:14 AM
Just over half of the pilot group is on the 7/7.

If you have been around for 10 years you have 28 days of vacation. So on the 7/7 that means four 21 day blocks of time off.

Or 35 straight off if you bid a double*. I take a double every year. Best part of the job is being able to throw that iphone in a sock drawer for a month.



*Cue the mathematically challenged who say bidding a double costs you a week off...:confused:

MWilliams
06-27-2019, 08:58 AM
*Cue the mathematically challenged who say bidding a double costs you a week off...:confused:

Please no!!!

Guard
06-27-2019, 05:35 PM
Just stop. You do not get vacation first year. You earn it first.

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That is correct, I was allowed to bid this year for next, good point!

symbian simian
06-27-2019, 09:56 PM
Or 35 straight off if you bid a double*. I take a double every year. Best part of the job is being able to throw that iphone in a sock drawer for a month.



*Cue the mathematically challenged who say bidding a double costs you a week off...:confused:

But if you bid a double you have 35 days vacation, and 2 singles gives you 42 days vacation!


(I know, I know, either way gives you the same amount of days off)

OhSnapAF
06-27-2019, 10:09 PM
Still $115 for a first year is darn good!

Not when year 10 is 125k...

Guard
06-28-2019, 03:33 AM
But if you bid a double you have 35 days vacation, and 2 singles gives you 42 days vacation!


(I know, I know, either way gives you the same amount of days off)

I was told they are fixing the lost week in an LOA to the contract?

MWilliams
06-28-2019, 04:09 AM
Not when year 10 is 125k...

If he is making 115k his first year (Iím guessing CC76 base = 82.9k) he isnít going to make 125k at year 10.

biigD
06-28-2019, 04:57 AM
Got an old charter buddy asking me about NetJets - if you add about 20% to the payrates listed on APC, that gets you close to the reality, correct?

So a first year of roughly $75-80K on the 7/7 or 60 day (seems to me the 72 and 76 day schedules are for people that hate their wife and kids)?

MWilliams
06-28-2019, 06:20 AM
Got an old charter buddy asking me about NetJets - if you add about 20% to the payrates listed on APC, that gets you close to the reality, correct?

So a first year of roughly $75-80K on the 7/7 or 60 day (seems to me the 72 and 76 day schedules are for people that hate their wife and kids)?

These are conservative numbers that do not include insurance, per diem, and bonuses.

7/7 & CC60 - 85k
CC 72 - 92k
CC 76 - 97k

GeeWizDriver
06-28-2019, 06:56 AM
These are conservative numbers that do not include insurance, per diem, and bonuses.



Iíll let someone else handle this....

https://youtu.be/Uv_nooBQNUk

MWilliams
06-28-2019, 07:23 AM
Iíll let someone else handle this....

https://youtu.be/Uv_nooBQNUk

Would you care to comment on designer uniforms? 😆😆😆

GeeWizDriver
06-28-2019, 07:36 AM
Would you care to comment on designer uniforms? 😆😆😆

LOL

On the first batch, the pants were like a cheap hotel...











No Ballroom :rolleyes:

biigD
06-28-2019, 08:11 AM
These are conservative numbers that do not include insurance, per diem, and bonuses.

7/7 & CC60 - 85k
CC 72 - 92k
CC 76 - 97k

Ah thanks! He'll be happy to know that I underestimated the figures a bit. Glad to see you guys making more money these days!

OhSnapAF
06-28-2019, 08:44 AM
If he is making 115k his first year (Iím guessing CC76 base = 82.9k) he isnít going to make 125k at year 10.

Youíre right I was a little off.

The increase from year 1 to year 10 is $46,054. So if heís making 115k year 1, he will make 161k at year 10. Still sad, and also not realistic to make 115k year 1.

HandyHansell
06-28-2019, 08:49 AM
This keeps coming up and needs to be laid to rest.

Per diem is NOT compensation. End of story.

You do not work 5 months a year! No you do not. You work the ENTIRE year. You can not work Jan-May and then call it a year. NOPE. You work 12 months a year, end of discussion.

Vacation is ONLY the days you are getting paid for. Year 1 you get NO vacation. Year 2 you get 14 days separated into 7 day blocks. Your vacation is worth ONLY those days. Sure you have other days, lead in/out days but those are not your vacation. They count toward your normal amount of days off in that month. So if you bid 76 and get 21 days assigned that month and itís MAR and have 1 week of vacation. That gives you 1 block of 15 days off, which is one week of vacation and the rest of the month you have a total of a grand total of 6 days off max more likely a lot less. Thatís it. So it can look like Mar 1-2off(seam) March 3-9 on, March 10-13(lead in days) March 14-20(paid vacation) March 21-24(out days) March 25-April 1 work. Looks fun doesnít it...donít worry they get payback in April to make up for it.

You can make out and make some extra cash but you have to work for it. You can extend and give up days at home, you can LUCK out and top 12.1 per week. The ONLY way to make more money is actually working for it and have lots of luck in being in the right fleet and right schedule etc etc etc. You have very little control over if you make extra money.

So in conclusion like everything else at NJA you have very little control over how much you make and what days you work. You know you will work a set amount of days per month. You have no control on CC over your schedule, extended days, OT and extra flight pay. Per diem is not income and you do NOT work just 5 months a year.

symbian simian
06-28-2019, 09:11 AM
I was told they are fixing the lost week in an LOA to the contract?

Can’t tell if you are serious??

Just in case:
If you are on the 7/7 you work every other week, so you will be scheduled to work 26 weeks per year. If you have 2 weeks vacation you will work 24 weeks no matter how you take them. Were some people apparently get confused:
If you take the weeks separately, you will have 2 blocks of 21 days, if you take them “consecutively” you will have one block of 35 days, you don’t have to use any days off for the week in between you weren’t scheduled to work (similar to office workers getting 16 days off with 10 days vacation, not 12 days lost because weekends....). Also, while it seems like you have an extra week (42>35), you don’t, you just counting a normal scheduled week off as vacation:
If you are scheduled off on the odd weeks, and take vacation week 2 and 4, and work week 6 so you will work 7 days in 42 days.
If you take week 2 and 6 off, you work week 4, so 7 days off work also, and for both you go back to work week 8. No difference.

Math lesson over, grammar tomorrow.

Edit to add:

Obviously this is based only on 7/7, and the 35 day block on:
Or 35 straight off if you bid a double.

symbian simian
06-28-2019, 09:36 AM
This keeps coming up and needs to be laid to rest.

Per diem is NOT compensation. End of story.

You do not work 5 months a year! No you do not. You work the ENTIRE year. You can not work Jan-May and then call it a year. NOPE. You work 12 months a year, end of discussion.

First definition of compensation in my dictionary:
the action or process of awarding someone money as a recompense for loss, injury, or suffering. Seems fitting.
PD is not income, I agree, but it is part of the total package. To honestly compare 2 jobs you look at everything, including per diem. There are plenty of jobs were you donít get as much PD, donít keep the points, pay for health insurance, go to crappy hotels and are on call 24/7. It counts.

On the 5 month thing, exactly!! Like office workers saying they work less than a 1/4 of the year (2000 out of every 8760 hours).

biigD
06-28-2019, 09:44 AM
The increase from year 1 to year 10 is $46,054. So if heís making 115k year 1, he will make 161k at year 10. Still sad, and also not realistic to make 115k year 1.

Yeah, those 200+ day schedules seem pretty brutal to me. A newhire can get on the 7/7 or CC60 right away, correct? I don't see why someone would willingly bid the CC72 or CC76 unless there was no home life to speak of. :confused:

OhSnapAF
06-28-2019, 10:34 AM
Yeah, those 200+ day schedules seem pretty brutal to me. A newhire can get on the 7/7 or CC60 right away, correct? I don't see why someone would willingly bid the CC72 or CC76 unless there was no home life to speak of. :confused:

Bidding those schedules is the only way to make close to what a pilot should be making in 2019 for flying a jet at a ďtop tierĒ career job, itís still pretty far behind when you look at a 10 year snapshot but itís even farther off on the less slave schedules. You can hold 7/7 fairly quickly after training which is nice. .

MWilliams
06-28-2019, 11:00 AM
Do you get vacation year one? Yes and no. If you are hired in April, you will get one week, 7 days, to bid for the next vacation year. It all depends on what month you get hired.

MWilliams
06-28-2019, 11:12 AM
Youíre right I was a little off.

The increase from year 1 to year 10 is $46,054. So if heís making 115k year 1, he will make 161k at year 10. Still sad, and also not realistic to make 115k year 1.

Iím not arguing that NetJets pays as well as the 121 world, Iím just putting facts out there.

$140,532 would be the base pay of a 2018 new hire on the CC76 at the amendable date of the 2018 CBA (2025). There are two pay bumps each year, one for longevity and one in December for the new contract year. It is what it is.

flyitfast
06-28-2019, 03:17 PM
Not when year 10 is 125k...

The $115k was from the guy who a Netjets FO on the 7/7 from a previous post. I think he extends the 4 days per quarter too I think. He will make more than $125k in year ten at Netjets. I think youíre talking about a different frac...

OhSnapAF
06-29-2019, 03:20 AM
The $115k was from the guy who a Netjets FO on the 7/7 from a previous post. I think he extends the 4 days per quarter too I think. He will make more than $125k in year ten at Netjets. I think youíre talking about a different frac...

No, I worked there. The base pay increase on the 7/7 is even less. The increase in pay from year 1 to year 10 on the 7/7 is $35,429 at the moment. So whatever he is making at year 1 having no life, itís not like by year 3 or 4 heís clearing 200k. By year 10, youíre talking 150k based on the current CBA.

flyitfast
06-29-2019, 04:24 AM
No, I worked there. The base pay increase on the 7/7 is even less. The increase in pay from year 1 to year 10 on the 7/7 is $35,429 at the moment. So whatever he is making at year 1 having no life, itís not like by year 3 or 4 heís clearing 200k. By year 10, youíre talking 150k based on the current CBA.

$150k is different than $125k, which was what your original post said.

OhSnapAF
06-29-2019, 09:34 AM
$150k is different than $125k, which was what your original post said.

Yea and it was corrected. But 125k on the 7/7 without extending is about right for year 10.

wankel7
06-29-2019, 10:02 AM
Yea and it was corrected. But 125k on the 7/7 without extending is about right for year 10.

At least by year 10 you can hold the 52 day on most fleets. After vacations and using 7 pto days....your monthly average is 10 days of work per month. Not too bad for the money.

AirBear
06-29-2019, 12:39 PM
Also keep in mind the Union at NetJets has an optional Loss of Medical plan (thru Harvey Watt) that will pay you $96K/year tax free until age 65 (longer if you lose medical after age 60). That benefit is almost as much as you'd make on taxable SIC wages.

Other non-cash considerations to working at NetJets is the presence of a Union which currently has a very good working relationship with management. And the fact we're backed by Berkshire Hathaway, a Company with very deep pockets. Our share of the fractional market is somewhere around 70% last I heard. We've been told our biggest competitor isn't the other fractionals, but whole aircraft ownership.

Retractable
07-02-2019, 08:05 AM
The $115k was from the guy who a Netjets FO on the 7/7 from a previous post. I think he extends the 4 days per quarter too I think. He will make more than $125k in year ten at Netjets. I think youíre talking about a different frac...

By year 10, a couple (or more) bargaining events will have occurred.

Much more by then.

OhSnapAF
07-02-2019, 09:52 AM
At least by year 10 you can hold the 52 day on most fleets. After vacations and using 7 pto days....your monthly average is 10 days of work per month. Not too bad for the money.

10 year pay on the 52 day is 94k. Add 25k to that in soft money, hell add 35k by then because of CBA increases. Not sure how that holds any impressive stats as far as compensation is concerned.

rswitz
07-02-2019, 09:56 AM
Yea and it was corrected. But 125k on the 7/7 without extending is about right for year 10.

125k after 10 years and no upgrade? Ouch...

Blueridger
07-02-2019, 10:47 AM
125k after 10 years and no upgrade? Ouch...

Ouch indeed. Keep in mind, it wasnít too long ago that the legacies were being described that way as well. In fact, furloughs even went back 10 years in some cases.

The one glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel is that there is a demographic time bomb getting ready to go off at NJA. The median pilot age is around 55 right now, so a young 20 something pilot will see some big gains in seniority in the next 10-15 years. Perhaps large enough to drop that upgrade time a few years..... just food for thought, especially those looking at the long term.

wankel7
07-02-2019, 10:50 AM
10 year pay on the 52 day is 94k. Add 25k to that in soft money, hell add 35k by then because of CBA increases. Not sure how that holds any impressive stats as far as compensation is concerned.

Working 9.66 days per month for that money and most likely flying under 300 hours per year is pretty good.

jtf560
07-02-2019, 12:25 PM
The money and being stuck in the right seat for quite a while is what it is. The pay has improved quite a bit and the upgrade time will go down over the next decade as the majority of pilots retire. That said, this isn't the majors. Know what your getting yourself into before you come, but if you are seriously looking to come here, you probably really aren't thinking much about going to the majors. If that was your goal, you'd be asking a bunch of questions in the majors section of this message board and not wasting your time in the fractional section.

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AirBear
07-03-2019, 07:54 AM
The Union just sent out NJA Pilot breakdown by age charts. Very interesting. Over 1000 of our 2430 pilots are over the age of 54. And the vast majority of those are PIC's.

I don't think pilots hired at NJA this year will have to wait 10 years for an upgrade. 287 pilots are 64 or older so there's a big group between 54-64. Now on the downside pilots of that age are probably not going to leave NJA. But most don't hang on much past 65 so there will be a lot of movement. Yes it'll take longer at NJA to upgrade than most other fractionals but once you do you'll have pretty good progress up the seniority list.

On our June losses/gains list we lost 3, 1 senior and 2 new hires, and we also gained 3 new hires.

GeeWizDriver
07-03-2019, 09:34 AM
The Union just sent out NJA Pilot breakdown by age charts. Very interesting. Over 1000 of our 2430 pilots are over the age of 54. And the vast majority of those are PIC's.

I don't think pilots hired at NJA this year will have to wait 10 years for an upgrade. 287 pilots are 64 or older so there's a big group between 54-64. Now on the downside pilots of that age are probably not going to leave NJA. But most don't hang on much past 65 so there will be a lot of movement. Yes it'll take longer at NJA to upgrade than most other fractionals but once you do you'll have pretty good progress up the seniority list.

On our June losses/gains list we lost 3, 1 senior and 2 new hires, and we also gained 3 new hires.

More than 200 pilots over the Part 121 mandatory retirement age. There are 5 over the age of 78!!!

Iím actually surprised the union published this information because it will only add fuel to the fire that we DESPERATELY NEED a mandatory retirement age in the 91K/135 world.

AirBear
07-03-2019, 08:34 PM
More than 200 pilots over the Part 121 mandatory retirement age. There are 5 over the age of 78!!!

Iím actually surprised the union published this information because it will only add fuel to the fire that we DESPERATELY NEED a mandatory retirement age in the 91K/135 world.

Didn't I read somewhere that half or so of our over 65 pilots are on Medical LOA? Maybe that was the number for the over 70 group. Don't remember where I read it now.

Guard
07-08-2019, 01:29 PM
Didn't I read somewhere that half or so of our over 65 pilots are on Medical LOA? Maybe that was the number for the over 70 group. Don't remember where I read it now.

If you believer the union the company is no longer hiring 65+ age pilots? They are pushing hard for a 70 year part 135 retirement in the next FAA funding bill?

AirBear
07-08-2019, 08:06 PM
If you believer the union the company is no longer hiring 65+ age pilots? They are pushing hard for a 70 year part 135 retirement in the next FAA funding bill?

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Paying $5K/month Med LOA benefit for 2.5 years adds up when a large chunk of a certain demographic is out on medical. That's $150K per pilot plus the 60% with no cap they get the first 6 months.

The few airline retirees I flew with were great, would love to fly with them anytime.

flyboy041
08-10-2019, 12:17 PM
I will say the "money wheel" is brilliant, check it after every flight and get a brief update hoping for another leg, money *****s we are!

Yep and throw that IAMSAFE out the window!! Who needs that when we have the wheel of death! I mean wheel of fortune!!

Guard
08-10-2019, 02:52 PM
Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Paying $5K/month Med LOA benefit for 2.5 years adds up when a large chunk of a certain demographic is out on medical. That's $150K per pilot plus the 60% with no cap they get the first 6 months.

The few airline retirees I flew with were great, would love to fly with them anytime.


They also have had a pretty significant fail rate in initial training. One reason I came here over a major was I know my schedule for 4 months at a time and airline to your starting point and home. You can make a lot more money at a major but I like working 5 1/2 months first year on track to make $95-100K. Its not for everyone though. I would say FDP has added a third pay check every month. Fatti Latti is busy though, got 8 hours of flying today of FDP. If you need to know where your going to be every night don't come here, I've been from Baham overnight to Jackson Hole this las tour.

Retractable
08-13-2019, 11:42 AM
Yep and throw that IAMSAFE out the window!! Who needs that when we have the wheel of death! I mean wheel of fortune!!

I think many pilots have been tasked with running that IMSAFE checklist for most of their entire professional career. Some of those are careers are going on 20-50 years at this point.

This group is professional enough not to fall for such juvenile temptation.

Are you afraid of the FDP wheel? Does it taunt you? A second time?

We have an enviable safety record. Since FDP, this company has been doing very well.

Everyone should be proud.

Retractable
08-13-2019, 11:48 AM
More than 200 pilots over the Part 121 mandatory retirement age. There are 5 over the age of 78!!!

Iím actually surprised the union published this information because it will only add fuel to the fire that we DESPERATELY NEED a mandatory retirement age in the 91K/135 world.

Common sense is boggled by the fact there isnít one.

Ask any pilot whoís under 60 on the list of they feel the same scenario will apply to them when they turn 65.

Youíll get a resounding NO.

tm602
08-13-2019, 12:27 PM
They also have had a pretty significant fail rate in initial training. One reason I came here over a major was I know my schedule for 4 months at a time and airline to your starting point and home. You can make a lot more money at a major but I like working 5 1/2 months first year on track to make $95-100K. Its not for everyone though. I would say FDP has added a third pay check every month. Fatti Latti is busy though, got 8 hours of flying today of FDP. If you need to know where your going to be every night don't come here, I've been from Baham overnight to Jackson Hole this las tour.

Please excuse my terseness, but let's cut the "I only work 5 1/2 months" and make $100K crap! You do NOT work 5 1/2 months. Nobody does. When you work January through May and are DONE for the year, you then and only then work 5 1/2 months. Just because you get a 7/7 schedule and vacations does NOT mean you do not work each month.
The pay is good, yes. The benefits are very good, yes. BUT YOU WORK THE WHOLE YEAR. Would I leave? Yes, for SWA: very short time commuting as junior bases are all places I can deal with or live in. But not for UAL or DAL: Both involve long periods in baaaaaad bases commuting. At NutJets I enjoy the seniority I have, even as a junior PIC. There are things I like and things I don't like but that's just how any job is. But I am fully aware of reality that we all work every month except for the few guys who know how to "work things" with changing schedules and vacation bidding. "Work things" means being smart, flexible and patient enough to sit down and do the math to figure out how to use the CBA---IOW legal and agreed by the company---methods to get the most drip from the turnip. Just like Scheds does every day. Its not "gaming the system", its being smart.

OtherGuy
08-13-2019, 05:37 PM
You literally took that literally when I think itís quite clear what he/she meant.

And youíre right, I have NEVER worked 5.5 months...usually about 4.5 (vacation, PTO, Sick days)

Please excuse my terseness, but let's cut the "I only work 5 1/2 months" and make $100K crap! You do NOT work 5 1/2 months. Nobody does. When you work January through May and are DONE for the year, you then and only then work 5 1/2 months. Just because you get a 7/7 schedule and vacations does NOT mean you do not work each month.
The pay is good, yes. The benefits are very good, yes. BUT YOU WORK THE WHOLE YEAR. Would I leave? Yes, for SWA: very short time commuting as junior bases are all places I can deal with or live in. But not for UAL or DAL: Both involve long periods in baaaaaad bases commuting. At NutJets I enjoy the seniority I have, even as a junior PIC. There are things I like and things I don't like but that's just how any job is. But I am fully aware of reality that we all work every month except for the few guys who know how to "work things" with changing schedules and vacation bidding. "Work things" means being smart, flexible and patient enough to sit down and do the math to figure out how to use the CBA---IOW legal and agreed by the company---methods to get the most drip from the turnip. Just like Scheds does every day. Its not "gaming the system", its being smart.

OhSnapAF
08-13-2019, 06:31 PM
Please excuse my terseness, but let's cut the "I only work 5 1/2 months" and make $100K crap! You do NOT work 5 1/2 months. Nobody does. When you work January through May and are DONE for the year, you then and only then work 5 1/2 months. Just because you get a 7/7 schedule and vacations does NOT mean you do not work each month.
The pay is good, yes. The benefits are very good, yes. BUT YOU WORK THE WHOLE YEAR. Would I leave? Yes, for SWA: very short time commuting as junior bases are all places I can deal with or live in. But not for UAL or DAL: Both involve long periods in baaaaaad bases commuting. At NutJets I enjoy the seniority I have, even as a junior PIC. There are things I like and things I don't like but that's just how any job is. But I am fully aware of reality that we all work every month except for the few guys who know how to "work things" with changing schedules and vacation bidding. "Work things" means being smart, flexible and patient enough to sit down and do the math to figure out how to use the CBA---IOW legal and agreed by the company---methods to get the most drip from the turnip. Just like Scheds does every day. Its not "gaming the system", its being smart.

I am not sure why Guard keeps saying that like it's impressive. You can work the same amount of days at any airline. If he actually ever worked at a major he would know that.

symbian simian
08-16-2019, 04:50 AM
Please excuse my terseness, but let's cut the "I only work 5 1/2 months" and make $100K crap! You do NOT work 5 1/2 months. Nobody does. When you work January through May and are DONE for the year, you then and only then work 5 1/2 months. Just because you get a 7/7 schedule and vacations does NOT mean you do not work each month.
The pay is good, yes. The benefits are very good, yes. BUT YOU WORK THE WHOLE YEAR. Would I leave? Yes, for SWA: very short time commuting as junior bases are all places I can deal with or live in. But not for UAL or DAL: Both involve long periods in baaaaaad bases commuting. At NutJets I enjoy the seniority I have, even as a junior PIC. There are things I like and things I don't like but that's just how any job is. But I am fully aware of reality that we all work every month except for the few guys who know how to "work things" with changing schedules and vacation bidding. "Work things" means being smart, flexible and patient enough to sit down and do the math to figure out how to use the CBA---IOW legal and agreed by the company---methods to get the most drip from the turnip. Just like Scheds does every day. Its not "gaming the system", its being smart.

Exactly. So office workers work less than 3 months per year? (2000 out of 8760 hours)

symbian simian
08-16-2019, 04:51 AM
You literally took that literally when I think itís quite clear what he/she meant.

And youíre right, I have NEVER worked 5.5 months...usually about 4.5 (vacation, PTO, Sick days)

Yeah. Not true

Guard
08-20-2019, 11:05 AM
I am not sure why Guard keeps saying that like it's impressive. You can work the same amount of days at any airline. If he actually ever worked at a major he would know that.

Majors are for the brainless, glorified bus drivers, I would definitely take the $$$$ but Im not getting up anymore at 0300 to drive to DCA to avoid traffic and I got a life for 15 days a month. Don't ,miss flinching every time my phone range on reserve. your one miserable guy for being such a happy major pilot!

DH2time
08-20-2019, 02:05 PM
Majors are for the brainless, glorified bus drivers, I would definitely take the $$$$ but Im not getting up anymore at 0300 to drive to DCA to avoid traffic and I got a life for 15 days a month. Don't ,miss flinching every time my phone range on reserve. your one miserable guy for being such a happy major pilot!

You seem to harbor a little Ill will toward your time at a 121, regional I assume. Anyway I did Netjets for 12 years. Left to a major last year. Made the best choice I have ever made. I average more days off now than I ever did at Netjets, on second year pay I make more now than I did as a 12 year FO at Netjets working the 76CC. In fact my class at Netjets just upgraded, I make almost the same as a year 13 PIC working the same amount of days per month, 15. I bid reserve cause it pays better and gives me a few extra days at home not being used, so I guess under your belief I work only 3 months a year. (LOL)Plus I show up at the plane 30 minutes prior and we walk off behind the last of the passengers, unless itís last leg and FOs are usually first or second person off :). I dont think I have sweated once in 18 months while at work....call me brainless but my game is work less for more.

Anyway my point is you do you and not worry about what others do. Just donít conflate the facts to fit a false narrative you have...

727C47
08-20-2019, 05:27 PM
You both need to chill , the guys crowing about how great it is on BOTH sides, need to realize what works best for one, may not work for the other, if you are happy in your work , God bless, if not move on, the hiring continues.cheers .

G550Guy
08-20-2019, 07:11 PM
You both need to chill , the guys crowing about how great it is on BOTH sides, need to realize what works best for one, may not work for the other, if you are happy in your work , God bless, if not move on, the hiring continues.cheers .


Things I miss about NetJets.

* my friends/co workers. Still talk to many of them every week.

* training at FlightSafety

* crew food. Those salmon salads were GOOD

* Going to/from plane via an FBO

* hotel lounge access / points




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GeeWizDriver
08-20-2019, 07:33 PM
Things I miss about NetJets.

* my friends/co workers. Still talk to many of them every week.

* training at FlightSafety

* crew food. Those salmon salads were GOOD

* Going to/from plane via an FBO

* hotel lounge access / points




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We miss you too, amigo. I told our former colleague to find you and give you some crap when he starts at Brown this month.


But salmon? Oooof, gives me the willies....

tm602
08-20-2019, 10:03 PM
I told our former colleague to find you and give you some crap when he starts at Brown this month.


.

You talking about A.H. or S.F.?

727C47
08-21-2019, 01:42 AM
Things I miss about NetJets.

* my friends/co workers. Still talk to many of them every week.

* training at FlightSafety

* crew food. Those salmon salads were GOOD

* Going to/from plane via an FBO

* hotel lounge access / points




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The good guys like you who have departed

OhSnapAF
08-21-2019, 04:04 AM
Majors are for the brainless, glorified bus drivers, I would definitely take the $$$$ but Im not getting up anymore at 0300 to drive to DCA to avoid traffic and I got a life for 15 days a month. Don't ,miss flinching every time my phone range on reserve. your one miserable guy for being such a happy major pilot!

Hating NetJets because it has issues doesnít make someone a ďmiserable guyĒ. However, lying to yourself and co workers about the job you have just makes you look like an idiot.

727C47
08-21-2019, 05:44 AM
Hating NetJets because it has issues doesnít make someone a ďmiserable guyĒ. However, lying to yourself and co workers about the job you have just makes you look like an idiot.

Dude you are exhibit A for the negative party , but his representing it as Nirvana is just as misleading, the truth lies in the middle , but I think most people get that , Iím not hating on you by the way itís just that your posts are almost as comically negative, as his are over the top positive . By the by pt 121 pilots arenít ď bus driver Ďs ď itís a great way to earn a living .

DH2time
08-21-2019, 06:52 AM
There are a few things about Netjets that I miss BUT the fish anything in a plastic box is not one of them.

The rental car? Yup I miss those.
Lounge access? Yup, even the metal card doesnít guarantee entry on an airline room.
International eat fests on the company dime? Yup. 400 bucks for dinner, no problem.

Do I regret my choice, NEVER. Havenít had this much fun since Jetstream days...

GeeWizDriver
08-21-2019, 07:29 AM
You talking about A.H. or S.F.?

The crazy man. AH

Flyfalcons
08-21-2019, 08:01 AM
You talking about A.H. or S.F.?

The second one managed to get hired somewhere? :eek:

tm602
08-21-2019, 08:55 AM
The crazy man. AH

That was a guy who made even the worst days bearable. Remind me to tell you about my overnight in NOLA with him. The setting: it was my first overnight there, ever, and it was the night of the LSU vs. Alabama game and the next day's show wasn't until 2200L.

tm602
08-21-2019, 09:10 AM
Majors are for the brainless, glorified bus drivers.....but Im not getting up anymore at 0300 to drive to DCA to avoid traffic...and I got a life for 15 days a month....Don't ,miss flinching every time my phone range on reserve.

Now there are certainly worse jobs than NJA, but let's be honest here shall we? Allow me to address these one by one:
1) Your opening statement is not only an insult to major airline pilots, but also a pot calling a kettle black. We have our number of brainless pilots and gummers too, just like anywhere else. Ask any senior FO about babysitting. "Bus driver"? Hey man, we all fly planes. So whether you are driving a bus full of kids or driving someone's rich kids...all you are doing is driving kids to school.
2) yeah, we're never awake at 3 am at NJA :rolleyes: . And your drive to DCA is no different than my 0300 wakeups for an airline to Dallas, followed by 2 or 3 legs of flying. Get real.
3) I had a life for 15 days a month too when I was at the airlines, don't know what you are talking about here.
4) We all flinch when the brief updates come (usually more flying after the "last leg") just like you did on reserve.
So we all get it, you had a bad time at the airlines. Many, or more accurately, MOST of us had a good time. I don't see any boomerangs coming back to NJA from active (not retired) major airline jobs. None. NJA certainly aint the worst job in the world and things seem to be getting better, but if you really think major airline jobs are hell, you are indeed wearing some blinders.

GeeWizDriver
08-21-2019, 12:38 PM
That was a guy who made even the worst days bearable. Remind me to tell you about my overnight in NOLA with him. The setting: it was my first overnight there, ever, and it was the night of the LSU vs. Alabama game and the next day's show wasn't until 2200L.

And you survived?

:D

tm602
08-21-2019, 01:26 PM
And you survived?

:D

Not by much!

DH2time
08-21-2019, 01:36 PM
You guys were lucky. Most of the guys I was paired with were asleep by halftime of every game, Iím talking the 1305 kickoff games.......

tm602
08-22-2019, 06:38 AM
No sleeping whenever paired with him. He made every trip doable.

OtherGuy
08-22-2019, 08:44 AM
A lot of people are just angry all the time and they feel better when others feel then same. Those are the pilots you bid around....and he was bid around. Rumor has it nothing has changed.

Majors are for the brainless, glorified bus drivers, I would definitely take the $$$$ but Im not getting up anymore at 0300 to drive to DCA to avoid traffic and I got a life for 15 days a month. Don't ,miss flinching every time my phone range on reserve. your one miserable guy for being such a happy major pilot!

OtherGuy
08-22-2019, 08:47 AM
How does that hate help you personally? How does coming on here and jamming out post help you move past your hate? How does that hate move you forward?


Hating NetJets because it has issues doesnít make someone a ďmiserable guyĒ. However, lying to yourself and co workers about the job you have just makes you look like an idiot.

AAfng
08-22-2019, 08:53 AM
Thread caught my eye and clicked over to see what it was about.

I had an offer from netjets after military retirement and yes the 7/7 seems ok but that just means you will always work half the weekends....FOREVER. I passed and as a glorified bus driver I am loving it. Total schedule flexibility. Commuter and its pretty easy to commute. Dont listen to the dribble on here

OtherGuy
08-22-2019, 09:18 AM
Why did you apply?

Thread caught my eye and clicked over to see what it was about.

I had an offer from netjets after military retirement and yes the 7/7 seems ok but that just means you will always work half the weekends....FOREVER. I passed and as a glorified bus driver I am loving it. Total schedule flexibility. Commuter and its pretty easy to commute. Dont listen to the dribble on here

Minimums
08-22-2019, 01:30 PM
I understand that Netjets doesnít have a mandatory retirement age, but shouldnít the upgrade time eventually start trending lower relatively soon? It seems there were a lot of pilots hired around the same time years ago and should all be getting older with some looking to retire.

CA1900
08-22-2019, 02:25 PM
It seems there were a lot of pilots hired around the same time years ago and should all be getting older with some looking to retire.

Many of those were in their 30's when they got hired 15-20 years ago. If they retire at 80 :eek:, it's still gonna be quite a while.

jtf560
08-22-2019, 03:14 PM
Over half of the seniority list will likely retire over the next decade or so. Pilots are finally able to make money and save money to afford retirement. Many pilots who hung on forever or are still hanging on either lost pensions or were unable to save enough as the company didn't pay all that great for a lot of their careers. That has changed a bit now and those guys hired in their 30s in the late 90s/ early 2000s have been able to save for a while now and should be pouring in quite a bit now with the over 50 catch up (and company match) and with 1/3 of the FDP pay going into their 401Ks. Some will screw it up and hang on as long as they can, more will medical out well before they planned, and the majority should be able to have a good hunk of savings stashed to retire at a more normal/ reasonable age. All that said, it will still be a long upgrade, just not 13+ years like is is running now. I suppose it could get down to 5 years, but not for anyone hired anytime soon.

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AAfng
08-27-2019, 10:16 AM
[QUOTE=OtherGuy;2874441]Why did you apply?[/QUOT

Other jobs hadnt called met yet

BadaBing83
09-25-2019, 05:47 PM
Is NetJets only a 7 on 7 off schedule?

GeeWizDriver
09-25-2019, 08:00 PM
Is NetJets only a 7 on 7 off schedule?

Not hardly.

7-7 and a bunch of so-called "Crew Choice" schedules that refer to how many days in a four month bid period (a "trimester")you will be required to work.

CC 60 (roughly equivalent to 7-7 in base salary)
CC 52 (much less than 7-7 base salary and a was a fairly senior award prior to the new incentive pay program)
CC 72 (slightly more than 7-7 in base salary)
CC76 (a fair amount more than 7-7 base salary)

Clear as mud?

For me, the major drawback to CC schedules is not knowing what days you will be working until the 15th of the month prior.

I have been on 7-7 for more than 15 years and will likely never bid any of the CC schedules. If they ever offered a fixed 8-6 or fixed 6-8 (please, please, please) I would likely alternate two trimesters of 8-6 and one of 6-8.

Shenzi105
09-28-2019, 05:13 AM
Not hardly.

7-7 and a bunch of so-called "Crew Choice" schedules that refer to how many days in a four month bid period (a "trimester")you will be required to work.

CC 60 (roughly equivalent to 7-7 in base salary)
CC 52 (much less than 7-7 base salary and a was a fairly senior award prior to the new incentive pay program)
CC 72 (slightly more than 7-7 in base salary)
CC76 (a fair amount more than 7-7 base salary)

Clear as mud?

For me, the major drawback to CC schedules is not knowing what days you will be working until the 15th of the month prior.

I have been on 7-7 for more than 15 years and will likely never bid any of the CC schedules. If they ever offered a fixed 8-6 or fixed 6-8 (please, please, please) I would likely alternate two trimesters of 8-6 and one of 6-8.

you don't know your schedule until the month before on the CCs? I thought all scheduled were published every trimestre?

Flyfalcons
09-28-2019, 05:45 AM
you don't know your schedule until the month before on the CCs? I thought all scheduled were published every trimestre?

The schedule type you are on is per trimester, however, the actual days on/off on the CC schedules are bid and awarded monthly.

Shenzi105
09-28-2019, 05:21 PM
The schedule type you are on is per trimester, however, the actual days on/off on the CC schedules are bid and awarded monthly.

got it, thanks.

kls81
09-29-2019, 03:48 AM
If youíre on the 60CC, how long are the tours typically? Is there a big difference in the 7/7 aside from knowing your schedule well in advance.

Thanks

MWilliams
09-29-2019, 07:09 AM
If youíre on the 60CC, how long are the tours typically? Is there a big difference in the 7/7 aside from knowing your schedule well in advance.

Thanks

All of the CC schedules usually have trip length between 4-7 days. You can opt to work up to 8 day trips (some people rarely see 8 days trips YMMV) for an additional 3% in pay. Worst case scenario you will see 6 on 3 off until they use all of your work days for the month and then you will have a longer block of days off.

kls81
09-29-2019, 08:28 AM
All of the CC schedules usually have trip length between 4-7 days. You can opt to work up to 8 day trips (some people rarely see 8 days trips YMMV) for an additional 3% in pay. Worst case scenario you will see 6 on 3 off until they use all of your work days for the month and then you will have a longer block of days off.

Ok, Thank You.

Guard
09-29-2019, 10:36 AM
All of the CC schedules usually have trip length between 4-7 days. You can opt to work up to 8 day trips (some people rarely see 8 days trips YMMV) for an additional 3% in pay. Worst case scenario you will see 6 on 3 off until they use all of your work days for the month and then you will have a longer block of days off.

You got two types of people at NJA, money *****s and then 7/7 who really want the 52 schedule. Im pretty fried after 7 days on the road. Even as a first year guy its pretty lucrative to stay out an 8th day with FDP