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Happydayz
07-28-2019, 01:35 PM
R the numbers on this APC accurate?
Also, if I get a base other than my first choice, can I bid for that base before they give it out to a new hire?
It appears they are hiring for LAX/SFO but primarily for SFO. I want LAX, so if I get SFO in new hire class, what are my options. Can I bid before the next class, That is if the they offer LAX to the class after mine. Just curious about options.

Flame away!!!! :)

Happyd


Ala5ka
07-28-2019, 03:27 PM
Airlineapps.com

These have some lax bases also

ImperialxRat
07-28-2019, 11:22 PM
If awarded SFO you wouldn’t be able to get LAX until a bid comes out and you can transfer there. Bids come out every 3-6 months.


Outdoors
07-29-2019, 04:37 AM
In addition to the few yearly bids also consider the move dates after the bids are often 3-6 months so it can be a while.

You will be stuck in your base position until a bid award even if a class after you is awarded the domicile you desire.

rickair7777
07-29-2019, 06:51 AM
R the numbers on this APC accurate?


I'm guessing not. Some of that profile info is old and probably does not include retirements for former virgina america pilots.

ShyGuy
07-29-2019, 08:48 AM
When I did the combined retirement math for the 10 yr timeframe from 2018-2027 it was ~620. And the next 10 yr frame from 2028-2037 was ~850. Today we have a little over 3,000 total pilots.

No matter which way you skin the cat, the reality is you will not have quick movement here. That being said, upgrade to CA here doesn’t mean you have to be half way up the list. Reserve rules here are horrendous so the most junior upgrade went to a 2,9xx guy out of 3,000 total (hired Jan 2015). If you’re hired today it’s still gonna be a while.

Back2future
07-29-2019, 09:43 AM
When I did the combined retirement math for the 10 yr timeframe from 2018-2027 it was ~620. And the next 10 yr frame from 2028-2037 was ~850. Today we have a little over 3,000 total pilots.

No matter which way you skin the cat, the reality is you will not have quick movement here. That being said, upgrade to CA here doesn’t mean you have to be half way up the list. Reserve rules here are horrendous so the most junior upgrade went to a 2,9xx guy out of 3,000 total (hired Jan 2015). If you’re hired today it’s still gonna be a while.

Close...19xx seniority. A new hire today is 1000 away from the plug. If we hire for just retirements it could be 10 years plus until you too can enjoy the crappiest reserve rules in the industry ;)

ShyGuy
07-29-2019, 11:32 AM
Oops fat fingered it. Yes, 19xx. And agreed that it’ll be a while. Looking at retirements for movement is something really only for the big 3 carriers. At Southwest, Alaska, JetBlue, Spirit, Frontier, Allegiant, Hawaiian, retirement numbers are small compared to the big 3.

Lykaskygod
07-30-2019, 01:56 AM
Can you please explain the reserve rules?

MusicPilot
07-30-2019, 06:05 PM
Can you please explain the reserve rules?

They reserve the right to basically do anything to you and you reserve the right to b**ch about it. 😏

ImperialxRat
07-30-2019, 06:51 PM
These are the numbers that I posted in a previous thread.. it’s on page 2 or 3 of this Alaska forum titled “retirement numbers”, or something similar to that. They’re the numbers from the previous seniority list, but they do include both Alaska+Virgin

2019 - 20
2020 - 35
2021 - 47
2022 - 60
2023 - 57
2024 - 62
2025 - 87
2026 - 75
2027 - 98
2028 - 74
2029 - 105

TransWorld
07-31-2019, 06:50 AM
These are the numbers that I posted in a previous thread.. it’s on page 2 or 3 of this Alaska forum titled “retirement numbers”, or something similar to that. They’re the numbers from the previous seniority list, but they do include both Alaska+Virgin

2019 - 20
2020 - 35
2021 - 47
2022 - 60
2023 - 57
2024 - 62
2025 - 87
2026 - 75
2027 - 98
2028 - 74
2029 - 105


**MODERATOR**

Please update these retirements on the Alaska Page.

rickair7777
07-31-2019, 09:53 AM
**MODERATOR**

Please update these retirements on the Alaska Page.

We can't. Try the email link on the page. Good Luck.

TransWorld
07-31-2019, 01:28 PM
Thanks. Sent email link.

TransWorld
07-31-2019, 02:44 PM
We can't. Try the email link on the page. Good Luck.

Email bounced. Broken.

rickair7777
07-31-2019, 04:02 PM
Email bounced. Broken.

Like I said, good luck.

I'll run it up the chain. Again. It's not just AS.

waterboy
08-02-2019, 06:20 AM
With the fed cutting the fed funds rate 25 basis points, can someone explain how that might affect retirement rate at Alaska? Would pilots opt to retire earlier with the rate going down? Or Will it have pilots stay til 65 instead of retiring early?

Thanks!

KnockKnock
08-02-2019, 07:36 AM
With the fed cutting the fed funds rate 25 basis points, can someone explain how that might affect retirement rate at Alaska? Would pilots opt to retire earlier with the rate going down? Or Will it have pilots stay til 65 instead of retiring early?

Thanks!
There are usually more “early” retirements when rates go up. I’m not in the A plan but I assume they have to pay more in taxes when the rates go up and that’s why they pop smoke sooner, before the hike takes place.

Thrill
08-02-2019, 08:25 AM
Nearly all staying to 65 regardless....


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MusicPilot
08-02-2019, 09:17 AM
Pilots can never make enough money. As one friend of mine in his early 60s said to me. ”I make $25k a month without a sweat. Why would I or anyone else want to give that up?”

KnockKnock
08-02-2019, 10:16 AM
Pilots can never make enough money. As one friend of mine in his early 60s said to me. ”I make $25k a month without a sweat. Why would I or anyone else want to give that up?”
This is waaaay too true. Every guy I’ve flow with that’s told me they’re retiring before 65 has stayed to the end. I’ll bump into them a yr or two later and say, “I thought you were outta here?”. They always say exactly that. “I make too much money and it’s the easiest schedule I’ve had my whole career. Why give it up now?”

Ispeakjive
08-04-2019, 07:26 AM
The interest rate figures into the denominator of the retirement pay calculation. If rates are going up, retirement check goes down.

ANG Pilot
08-04-2019, 02:05 PM
It’s not just the interest rates. Retiring at 60 means passing up 5 years of pay at about $250k per year, plus the additional 401k savings and Company match - not to mention prospective PBP payouts. That’s a lot of money to leave on the table. All of that outweighs any interest fluctuations. Another thing to consider is health care costs. Although retiring at 60 allows you and your spouse/family to stay on the Alaska health care plan, you have to pay the full premium. Staying to 65 means you can transition to Medicare and keep the spouse/family on the plan. The result is lower cost to you. Unless you have another job when you retire, the money you have saved up is what you’ll have to live on for the rest of your life. You can manage your investments to minimize the loss but your retirement nest egg is going to decrease over time so it makes sense to try to make the nest egg as big as you can before you retire. When to retire is an intensely personal decision. What may work for one doesn’t work for another, but there is no “wrong” answer. You just have to figure out what works best for you. Good Luck!

ShyGuy
08-05-2019, 09:31 PM
It's more than 250k. That's what it makes it hard to give up. :D

ImperialxRat
10-03-2019, 11:31 AM
This is current as of the Aug 2019 seniority list:

Pilots on property: 3004

2019- 12 (5 have retired since Aug)
2020- 34
2021- 45
2022- 55
2023- 56
2024- 64
2025- 89
2026- 74
2027- 99
2028- 79
2029- 107

Total retirements in the next 10 years: 709
Seniority gain for a new hire today over the next 10 years: 23.6%
Total retirements in the next 5 years: 261
Seniority gain for a new hire today over the next 5 years: 8.6%

fucius
10-10-2019, 09:15 AM
This is current as of the Aug 2019 seniority list:

Pilots on property: 3004

2019- 12 (5 have retired since Aug)
2020- 34
2021- 45
2022- 55
2023- 56
2024- 64
2025- 89
2026- 74
2027- 99
2028- 79
2029- 107

Total retirements in the next 10 years: 709
Seniority gain for a new hire today over the next 10 years: 23.6%
Total retirements in the next 5 years: 261
Seniority gain for a new hire today over the next 5 years: 8.6%



0% growth Imperial?...


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flysnoopy76
10-10-2019, 12:48 PM
0% growth Imperial?...


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0% percent mainline growth is pretty close to accurate according to the current plan

opdeliber
10-10-2019, 03:37 PM
Attrition is about to be HUGE. I know of at least 13 pilots here with multiple cjos elsewhere... and I do not know that many people.

Hope brad and Ben are ready for their operation to start seriously suffering over the holidays to do a mass exodus.

Both delta and ua have been sending out massive waves of invites in the past few weeks.

ImperialxRat
10-11-2019, 05:22 PM
0% growth Imperial?...


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Not sure about growth or where someone would be on the seniority list in 5 or 10 years. I was just posting mandatory retirements.

Busdriver320
10-21-2019, 10:28 AM
Although retiring at 60 allows you and your spouse/family to stay on the Alaska health care plan, you have to pay the full premium.

You should read your contract again and ask the right department the right questions. You pay 50% of the cost, not the "full" premium. It's also a "cafeteria" type plan; you can choose what/which coverages you want (medical/dental/vision). Choosing the high deductible plan isn't wise as the company only makes HSA contributions for active employees, which probably makes the (slightly higher cost) low-deductible plan more attractive to most people.

The 2019 rate for a retiree and spouse, for low-ded medical + dental + vision was $820/month (or close, I'm not looking at the table they sent me right now).