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Cozmo
08-20-2019, 08:29 AM
I ran into a senior FJ guy a few months back, and he led me to believe that 5 year guys were making $150k-$175k, but when I look at the real numbers, it seems to come up a little short.

5 year Phenom 300 pay is $550 x202 = 111,100
Per diem = 8,500
Fuel Bonus = 4,000
Fractional Bonus = 11,100
Work too much Bonus = 5,000


That comes out to $139,700.


There's extra pay for 12+ hour days and early showtimes, but I'm guessing it can't add more than $400-$500 a month max.

I guess that gets you to $145,000 or so, which isn't bad assuming those bonuses are attainable. Can anyone provide real-world insight to my numbers? Am I missing anything?


JMO127
08-20-2019, 09:06 AM
I ran into a senior FJ guy a few months back, and he led me to believe that 5 year guys were making $150k-$175k, but when I look at the real numbers, it seems to come up a little short.



5 year Phenom 300 pay is $550 x202 = 111,100

Per diem = 8,500

Fuel Bonus = 4,000

Fractional Bonus = 11,100

Work too much Bonus = 5,000





That comes out to $139,700.





There's extra pay for 12+ hour days and early showtimes, but I'm guessing it can't add more than $400-$500 a month max.



I guess that gets you to $145,000 or so, which isn't bad assuming those bonuses are attainable. Can anyone provide real-world insight to my numbers? Am I missing anything?Your numbers are accurate. Theirs are based on getting a RL position. Not likely in real world scenario

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GeeWizDriver
08-21-2019, 07:32 AM
I ran into a senior FJ guy a few months back, and he led me to believe that 5 year guys were making $150k-$175k, but when I look at the real numbers, it seems to come up a little short.

5 year Phenom 300 pay is $550 x202 = 111,100
Per diem = 8,500
Fuel Bonus = 4,000
Fractional Bonus = 11,100
Work too much Bonus = 5,000


That comes out to $139,700.


There's extra pay for 12+ hour days and early showtimes, but I'm guessing it can't add more than $400-$500 a month max.

I guess that gets you to $145,000 or so, which isn't bad assuming those bonuses are attainable. Can anyone provide real-world insight to my numbers? Am I missing anything?

Oh, for the love of GOD!

STOP including per diem in your pay totals. It is NOT compensation.


Nfresh
08-21-2019, 09:22 AM
The "Work Too Much" Bonus only kicks in at 220 days I believe, so that would change your math one way or the other.

Also, if the company provides all your meals through crew meals or a company paid CC, then wouldn't it kind of make sense to include per diem as income?

MudhammedCJ
08-21-2019, 09:58 AM
Don't forget the special chin sauce. That's part of the benefit package too.

Vital Signs
08-21-2019, 10:45 AM
The "Work Too Much" Bonus only kicks in at 220 days I believe, so that would change your math one way or the other.

Also, if the company provides all your meals through crew meals or a company paid CC, then wouldn't it kind of make sense to include per diem as income?

Do you want to include it on your taxes?

It is NOT income.

Pretend itís found money and donít tell anyone about it and if you eat your meals at White Castle then you will have even more.

FNGFO
08-21-2019, 12:05 PM
You can order whatever you want on duty and get one meal on the company with very few questions except that you canít expense alcohol. You basically have to be stupid to not eat very well AND pocket your entire per diem everyday.

The eating at Whitecastle crap is from someone unfamiliar with the meals program.

Vital Signs
08-21-2019, 01:41 PM
Yes I am very familiar with the snake charmers ways to dazzle and amaze you with all of the things that arenít as important as pay.



Still not income.

FNGFO
08-21-2019, 01:54 PM
I quit working for the snake charmer several years ago. But youíre positing that a FJ pilot can either spend their per diem or eat fast food. And thatís completely wrong. Youíre going to get a free breakfast at the hotel, and if not you can cater it, cater whatever you want during the day and eat steak and lobster every night as a free meal on the company card. Thatís a far, far cry from White Castle.

And I donít give a rip about your semantics game. Per diem spends just fine every where normal compensation is accepted.

Vital Signs
08-21-2019, 02:33 PM
All I said is if you spend your money, spending it at white castle will allow you to have more per diem left over at the end of the month. You sure jumped on that statement quick and misconstrued it to something else.

Why not give everyone a $42/day raise and include it in income if all meals are already covered?
Because its a cheap talking point of ďbenefitsĒ and benefits are easier to change or take away. It used to be $750/month. Now its not.

And some of those hotel breakfasts are Nasty, depending on the hotel of course.

FNGFO
08-21-2019, 02:47 PM
So order a good one.

I have no love for that mgt team, and donít recommend that anyone go there, but the meal plan is fine.

Vital Signs
08-21-2019, 03:17 PM
Agreed.
Now lets update this so its less cloudy for interpretation

5 year Phenom 300 pay is $550 x202 = 111,100
Per diem = 8,500
Fuel Bonus = 4,000
Fractional Bonus = 11,100
Work too much Bonus = 0 - kicks in at 220


$134,700 in your bank account.

Plus all the food you can eat in your belly.

Reasonable?

Fredturbo
08-22-2019, 03:54 AM
Agreed.
Now lets update this so its less cloudy for interpretation

5 year Phenom 300 pay is $550 x202 = 111,100
Per diem = 8,500
Fuel Bonus = 4,000
Fractional Bonus = 11,100
Work too much Bonus = 0 - kicks in at 220


$134,700 in your bank account.

Plus all the food you can eat in your belly.

Reasonable?
202 work days? Jesus. Seems like an awful lot. Must be the 8 days at a time. Where do they find such men?

FNGFO
08-22-2019, 07:33 AM
They operate on the Flex month. 28 days, or 13 months a year. Itís makes the math add up nicer, but results in a lot of work if you average 15-16 days a Flex month. That usually adds up to 16-19 days per calendar month.

ATIS
08-22-2019, 04:31 PM
202 work days? Jesus. Seems like an awful lot. Must be the 8 days at a time. Where do they find such men?

Donít forget the 202 days is ďscheduledĒ so any Over time days donít count since they are not Scheduled.
That is just a burn out schedule which will end up costing you more in divorce attorney fees.

QuagmireGiggity
11-14-2019, 07:52 AM
Is that Captain pay?
How much does a Global Express pilot make?

QuagmireGiggity
11-14-2019, 07:54 AM
Oh, for the love of GOD!

STOP including per diem in your pay totals. It is NOT compensation.
It's still relevant though. I could just as well be $50 or it could be $8500.

Shenzi105
11-15-2019, 08:37 AM
Agreed.
Now lets update this so its less cloudy for interpretation

5 year Phenom 300 pay is $550 x202 = 111,100
Per diem = 8,500
Fuel Bonus = 4,000
Fractional Bonus = 11,100
Work too much Bonus = 0 - kicks in at 220


$134,700 in your bank account.

Plus all the food you can eat in your belly.

Reasonable?

How do you qualify for the Fuel Bonus and the Fractional Bonus?

Blueridger
11-15-2019, 08:41 AM
It's still relevant though. I could just as well be $50 or it could be $8500.

You think $50 a year could pass off as per diem? Good luck with that.

Per Diem is a federal requirement for federal employees that largely carries over to the private sector to attract employees who travel a lot. Itís not compensation (unless youíre so cheap and really need to consider it as such to support your ego). Itís a reimbursement. You can choose whether or not to spend it as such, but that doesnít change what it is.

No other operator, apart from a handful of bottom scraping regionals consider per diem in their salary comparisons. Tells us a lot about Flexjet that THEY do.

symbian simian
11-15-2019, 07:17 PM
Oh, for the love of GOD!

STOP including per diem in your pay totals. It is NOT compensation.

You think $50 a year could pass off as per diem? Good luck with that.

Per Diem is a federal requirement for federal employees that largely carries over to the private sector to attract employees who travel a lot. Itís not compensation (unless youíre so cheap and really need to consider it as such to support your ego). Itís a reimbursement. You can choose whether or not to spend it as such, but that doesnít change what it is.

No other operator, apart from a handful of bottom scraping regionals consider per diem in their salary comparisons. Tells us a lot about Flexjet that THEY do.


OH, FOR THE LOVE OF G%D. PD is not income, but it is compensation. It is right there in the definition, a compensation for the extra expenses incurred while travelling. Just as it is okay to include "I don't get PD, but I can expense $250 per day for food on the road regardless if I work" VS "we get a subway sandwich if our duty day is longer than 16 hours". There is a difference.

JulesWinfield
11-16-2019, 02:42 AM
I'm generally in the "don't count per diem as income" camp, but FJ is different. You get crew meals when flying and a meal on the company card. To me, that's tax free income.

Skipper Riley
11-28-2019, 11:21 AM
I put together a comparison of Flexjet and Netjets pay. The numbers are from this website so I'm not sure if there are correct. Flexjet shows a daily rate while Netjets shows a salary that changes depending on how many days per 1/3 year you work. And netjets evidently pays the same across all fleets while Flexjet has different rates for different fleets. I put together a table that compares 180 days per year and also 216 per year.

Sorry for the bad formatting, i've tried a few times and can't get it looking right. short answer is Netjets pay is higher most of the time

180 Days per Year


Netjets Flexjet Phenom Flexjet CL300 Flexjet CL350
Daily Yearly Daily Yearly Daily Yearly Daily Yearly
1 $595 $107,100 $445 $80100 $497 $89,548 $660 $118,800
2 $616 $110,850 $463 $83340 $505 $90,900 $660 $118,800
3 $637 $114,728 $507 $91260 $548 $98,640 $660 $118,800
4 $660 $118,744 $529 $95220 $574 $103,320 $660 $118,800
5 $683 $122,900 $550 $99000 $602 $108,360 $680 $122,400
6 $707 $127,202 $558 $100440 $618 $111,240 $760 $136,800
7 $731 $131,653 $579 $104220 $631 $113,580 $760 $136,800
8 $757 $136,261 $597 $107460 $650 $117,000 $760 $136,800
9 $784 $141,030 $616 $110880 $670 $120,600 $790 $142,200
10 $811 $145,967 $629 $113220 $698 $125,640 $815 $146,700
11 $839 $151,074 $647 $116460 $711 $127,980 $845 $152,100
12 $869 $156,362 $658 $118440 $721 $129,780 $865 $155,700
13 $899 $161,836 $658 $118440 $733 $131,940 $900 $162,000
14 $931 $167,499 $658 $118440 $745 $134,100 $930 $167,400
15 $968 $174,200 $658 $118440 $755 $135,900 $970 $174,600
16 $1006 $181,168 $658 $118440 $766 $137,880 $1,010$181,800
17 $1047 $188,414 $658 $118440 $766 $137,880 $1,050$189,000



216 days per year

Netjets Flexjet Phenom Flexjet Cl300 Flexjet CL350
Daily Yearly Daily Yearly Daily Yearly Daily Yearly
1 $605 $130,662 $445 $96120 $497 $107,458 $660 $142,560
2 $626 $135,237 $463 $100008 $505 $109,080 $660 $142,560
3 $648 $139,968 $507 $109512 $548 $118,368 $660 $142,560
4 $671 $144,868 $529 $114264 $574 $123,984 $660 $142,560
5 $694 $149,938 $550 $118800 $602 $130,032 $680 $146,880
6 $718 $155,186 $558 $120528 $618 $133,488 $760 $164,160
7 $744 $160,617 $579 $125064 $631 $136,296 $760 $164,160
8 $770 $166,238 $597 $128952 $650 $140,400 $760 $164,160
9 $797 $172,057 $616 $133056 $670 $144,720 $790 $170,640
10 $824 $178,080 $629 $135864 $698 $150,768 $815 $176,040
11 $853 $184,310 $647 $139752 $711 $153,576 $845 $182,520
12 $883 $190,762 $658 $142128 $721 $155,736 $865 $186,840
13 $914 $197,440 $658 $142128 $733 $158,328 $900 $194,400
14 $946 $204,349 $658 $142128 $745 $160,920 $930 $200,880
15 $984 $212,524 $658 $142128 $755 $163,080 $970 $209,520
16 $1023 $221,025 $658 $142128 $766 $165,456 $1010 $218,160
17 $1064 $229,865 $658 $142128 $766 $165,456 $1050 $226,800

Shenzi105
12-02-2019, 04:43 AM
I put together a comparison of Flexjet and Netjets pay. The numbers are from this website so I'm not sure if there are correct. Flexjet shows a daily rate while Netjets shows a salary that changes depending on how many days per 1/3 year you work. And netjets evidently pays the same across all fleets while Flexjet has different rates for different fleets. I put together a table that compares 180 days per year and also 216 per year.

Sorry for the bad formatting, i've tried a few times and can't get it looking right. short answer is Netjets pay is higher most of the time

180 Days per Year


Netjets Flexjet Phenom Flexjet CL300 Flexjet CL350
Daily Yearly Daily Yearly Daily Yearly Daily Yearly
1 $595 $107,100 $445 $80100 $497 $89,548 $660 $118,800
2 $616 $110,850 $463 $83340 $505 $90,900 $660 $118,800
3 $637 $114,728 $507 $91260 $548 $98,640 $660 $118,800
4 $660 $118,744 $529 $95220 $574 $103,320 $660 $118,800
5 $683 $122,900 $550 $99000 $602 $108,360 $680 $122,400
6 $707 $127,202 $558 $100440 $618 $111,240 $760 $136,800
7 $731 $131,653 $579 $104220 $631 $113,580 $760 $136,800
8 $757 $136,261 $597 $107460 $650 $117,000 $760 $136,800
9 $784 $141,030 $616 $110880 $670 $120,600 $790 $142,200
10 $811 $145,967 $629 $113220 $698 $125,640 $815 $146,700
11 $839 $151,074 $647 $116460 $711 $127,980 $845 $152,100
12 $869 $156,362 $658 $118440 $721 $129,780 $865 $155,700
13 $899 $161,836 $658 $118440 $733 $131,940 $900 $162,000
14 $931 $167,499 $658 $118440 $745 $134,100 $930 $167,400
15 $968 $174,200 $658 $118440 $755 $135,900 $970 $174,600
16 $1006 $181,168 $658 $118440 $766 $137,880 $1,010$181,800
17 $1047 $188,414 $658 $118440 $766 $137,880 $1,050$189,000



216 days per year

Netjets Flexjet Phenom Flexjet Cl300 Flexjet CL350
Daily Yearly Daily Yearly Daily Yearly Daily Yearly
1 $605 $130,662 $445 $96120 $497 $107,458 $660 $142,560
2 $626 $135,237 $463 $100008 $505 $109,080 $660 $142,560
3 $648 $139,968 $507 $109512 $548 $118,368 $660 $142,560
4 $671 $144,868 $529 $114264 $574 $123,984 $660 $142,560
5 $694 $149,938 $550 $118800 $602 $130,032 $680 $146,880
6 $718 $155,186 $558 $120528 $618 $133,488 $760 $164,160
7 $744 $160,617 $579 $125064 $631 $136,296 $760 $164,160
8 $770 $166,238 $597 $128952 $650 $140,400 $760 $164,160
9 $797 $172,057 $616 $133056 $670 $144,720 $790 $170,640
10 $824 $178,080 $629 $135864 $698 $150,768 $815 $176,040
11 $853 $184,310 $647 $139752 $711 $153,576 $845 $182,520
12 $883 $190,762 $658 $142128 $721 $155,736 $865 $186,840
13 $914 $197,440 $658 $142128 $733 $158,328 $900 $194,400
14 $946 $204,349 $658 $142128 $745 $160,920 $930 $200,880
15 $984 $212,524 $658 $142128 $755 $163,080 $970 $209,520
16 $1023 $221,025 $658 $142128 $766 $165,456 $1010 $218,160
17 $1064 $229,865 $658 $142128 $766 $165,456 $1050 $226,800

hard to read with the formatting, so you have Flexjet CL350 and Netjets as 1 under the first columns?

Skipper Riley
12-02-2019, 08:25 AM
hard to read with the formatting, so you have Flexjet CL350 and Netjets as 1 under the first columns?

The first two numbers are Netjets pay, (daily, yearly), the next two are Flexjet Phenom (daily, yearly), then Flexjet Challenger 300 (daily, yearly), and then Flexjet Challenger 350 (daily, Yearly).

So, for example, if working 216 days per year, at year 10:

A Netjets Captain (in any fleet), makes $178,080.
A Flexjet Phenom Captain makes $135,864.
A Flexjet Challenger 300 captain makes $150,768
A Flexjet Challenger 350 makes makes $176,040.

Hope that helps