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Herc130AV8R
09-01-2019, 04:47 AM
Any gouge on the AA sim instructor job? I see they have a job posted. It doesn't specify requirements to hold any type rating in any given aircraft. Do these jobs come with a seniority number and the ability to transition to the line if desired in the future? Not a lot of info in the job post besides hours requirement. Thanks


donkedPilot
09-01-2019, 06:59 AM
Sim instructors are union represented thus you’ll have a seniority number for bidding. Transitioning to line flying is always a possibility but you’ll start over as a new hire on the pilot seniority list

RI830
09-01-2019, 07:29 AM
Couple of details that I have come by from the AA 737 guys who use CAE’s sims.
- pay is very low....50K to start IIRC
- being a sim IP gets you no advantage or special consideration for moving to mainline to fly.
- As an IP.....you would be required to be typed in the particular aircraft you would teach. That’s an FAA thing.

Good luck and let’s us know how it goes


Covfefe
09-01-2019, 04:36 PM
If flying for a legacy is your primary goal, you are better off with ANY flying job. A sim instructor job will not help your chances getting hired and will actually slow you down with building competitive credentials.

CLTPilot190
09-04-2019, 06:59 PM
Starting pay is around mid $60k range. The requirements don't state a TR required but everyone hired is typed in something from what I've seen. A type in an AA operated type is not necessarily required. You're gonna go through the same training a line Captain would anyway, including the type ride. Schedule isn't bad and there is generally a decent amount of OT for those who want make more $$. Top of scale is not too bad with some guys who work a lot of OT making well over $200k. One CLT Sim Instructor went over to line flying not too long ago, but as mentioned above he started over at the bottom of the APA list since the unions are different. There have been rumblings that APA want to bring the Sim Instructors into APA (mainly to allow retired guys who become instructors to keep their seniority It seems.). That is going to be an uphill battle for APA and I haven't heard anything about it for several months, but if it ever happened I'm sure the seniority thing would have to work both ways. I don't see it ever happening but it HAS apparently been mentioned in Dallas. Feel free to PM if you want more details.

sumwherelse
09-05-2019, 02:33 AM
Sim instructors are union represented thus you’ll have a seniority number for bidding. Transitioning to line flying is always a possibility but you’ll start over as a new hire on the pilot seniority list

This is incorrect. There is no “transition” available at all from ip to line pilot.

donkedPilot
09-06-2019, 08:45 AM
This is incorrect. There is no “transition” available at all from ip to line pilot.

Yes I agree. I’m sorry if my choice of words was misleading. By “transition”, I mean you will interview, go through new hire training, and start over on the pilots’ system seniority list.

CLTPilot190
09-11-2019, 12:54 PM
Latest word is hiring an E190 SimP for CLT and looking at bringing new hires in at year 3 pay which would be low $80s with a 17 day schedule. (The contract allows for them to do this and it automatically brings anyone making less than year 3 rates to that rate.)

vtailpilot2003
09-18-2019, 12:37 PM
I heard from a friend at AA the starting pay is in the $87,000 range now

CLTPilot190
09-18-2019, 07:05 PM
That would be about right if they are bringing people in at 3rd year pay when you add in holidays and other little extras.

B757200ER
11-02-2019, 09:05 AM
I was sent from DFW/GSW for 737 upgrade sim to MIA and Boeing because the CAE sim was broken. Our Sim-P lived in PHX, normally commuted to DFW, and was responsible for housing/cars/etc in DFW. But, in MIA, he was given positive-space travel, rental car, hotel and per diem. Good deal to be TDY, even for 5-10 days, instead of going to DFW.

I assume this would apply to CLT Sim-Ps who were sent elsewhere.

CLTPilot190
11-02-2019, 10:04 PM
It does, but it is a rare occurrence.

A320 CURSED
11-19-2019, 12:31 PM
Transitioning to the line is no impossible but very hard to do.
Word is that the idea has been conveyed to the upper management pilots but there is resistance, there are a total of perhaps about 6 Sim Instructors willing to get hired but they are having a hard time being heard for at least being given an interview.
You have a better chance of getting called if currently flying and of course if you are ex-military.
For the strictly civilian guys, unless you are a flow through is is very hard to get the email.

If you don’t care about flying anymore it is a pretty good gig.

Kapitanleutnant
11-26-2019, 08:23 PM
Guys...

I'm retired AA. May I ask:

1. Does AA positive space you from your home city to the fit academy, or to MIA if thats where they need you, or do you need to effectively live in the DFW area?

2. Approx how many days of instruction would a sim instructor do per month?

Thanks fellas.

Kap

CLTPilot190
11-27-2019, 09:19 AM
Guys...

I'm retired AA. May I ask:

1. Does AA positive space you from your home city to the fit academy, or to MIA if thats where they need you, or do you need to effectively live in the DFW area?

2. Approx how many days of instruction would a sim instructor do per month?

Thanks fellas.

Kap


Normal schedule is 17 days. You can opt on an annual basis to work up to a 20 day schedule. In CLT not many do. There is no Space Positive travel to your base. If you were TDY in MIA or any other location besides your home base it is Positive Space and you get Per Diem.

RhinoBallAuto
11-28-2019, 04:40 AM
...There is no Space Positive travel to your base. If you were TDY in MIA or any other location besides your home base it is Positive Space and you get Per Diem.

This is correct. I'll add a couple points though. My Sim P was a retired Westie CKA and lived in PHX. He tried to bid TDYs whenever possible for the reasons posted above (ideally to LAS). Otherwise, you're on the hook for travel to, and lodging at GSW.

Additionally, as an employee you get D2/D1 privileges, but a you likely know, depending on where you're living that can still be a tough commute. They don't have JS privileges for the sake of commuting, but they are required a certain number of periodic JS observation rides (I forget the currency requirement) that can be used for occasional commuting.

CLTPilot190
11-28-2019, 07:16 AM
This is correct. I'll add a couple points though. My Sim P was a retired Westie CKA and lived in PHX. He tried to bid TDYs whenever possible for the reasons posted above (ideally to LAS). Otherwise, you're on the hook for travel to, and lodging at GSW.

Additionally, as an employee you get D2/D1 privileges, but a you likely know, depending on where you're living that can still be a tough commute. They don't have JS privileges for the sake of commuting, but they are required a certain number of periodic JS observation rides (I forget the currency requirement) that can be used for occasional commuting.

We actually do have JS privileges for commuting.

RhinoBallAuto
11-28-2019, 11:17 AM
We actually do have JS privileges for commuting.

Well there ya go.

Edit: can you reserve it though? Perhaps that was the difference...

CLTPilot190
11-30-2019, 06:49 AM
Well there ya go.

Edit: can you reserve it though? Perhaps that was the difference...

Yeah, that's correct, only reserved for required recurrent observations.