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Floyd
10-13-2019, 01:31 PM
A quick question when you have time. Regarding the jumpseat priority for your aircraft, do the Delta pilots have a higher priority than Skywest or the same?

Thanks!


web500sjc
10-13-2019, 01:48 PM
A quick question when you have time. Regarding the jumpseat priority for your aircraft, do the Delta pilots have a higher priority than Skywest or the same?

Thanks!

I assume this is related to the UAX Jumpseat war...

Yes, DL goes after our pilots/dispatchers and before everyone else.

However on every other Delta connection flight, jumpseat priority is

1)operating airline
2)by time of checkin, Delta Connection/Delta Pilots
3) OAL

Floyd
10-13-2019, 02:28 PM
I assume this is related to the UAX Jumpseat war...

Yes, DL goes after our pilots/dispatchers and before everyone else.

However on every other Delta connection flight, jumpseat priority is

1)operating airline
2)by time of checkin, Delta Connection/Delta Pilots
3) OAL


Thank you. Yes, I'm a United pilot just trying to get some perspective in all this lunacy.

It's essentially the same as the current proposal except we have exclusive and non exclusive express carriers.


theUpsideDown
10-13-2019, 03:19 PM
Thank you. Yes, I'm a United pilot just trying to get some perspective in all this lunacy.

It's essentially the same as the current proposal except we have exclusive and non exclusive express carriers.

*shrug* more reasons to bring all the flying in house.

gojo
10-13-2019, 03:39 PM
*shrug* more reasons to bring all the flying in house.

You guys make it sound so simple. Yes, great idea. But some companies made it clear that they donít want all the pilots to follow that flying.

Casualinterest
10-13-2019, 05:48 PM
You guys make it sound so simple. Yes, great idea. But some companies made it clear that they donít want all the pilots to follow that flying.I think he was flippantly joking a bit. Obviously it's not that easy. Would be nice though

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JohnnyBekkestad
10-14-2019, 05:29 AM
I assume this is related to the UAX Jumpseat war...

Yes, DL goes after our pilots/dispatchers and before everyone else.

However on every other Delta connection flight, jumpseat priority is

1)operating airline
2)by time of checkin, Delta Connection/Delta Pilots
3) OAL

Can you please expand your answer in a few different scenarios

1. Delta flight with 2 JS, one Endeavor and a SkyWest/Republic guy
2. Endeavor flight with 2 JS, one Delta and a SkyWest/Republic guy
3. SkyWest/Republic flight with 2 JS, one Endeavor and a Delta guy

my Assumption is:
1. Endeavor over SkyWest/Republic
2. Delta over SkyWest/Republic
3. Time of checkin

Same scenario on the UA new one would be
1. UA flight with 2 JS, one ExpressJet and a SkyWest/Republic guy
2. ExpressJet flight with 2 JS, one UA and a SkyWest/Republic guy

Now this is where it gets really complicated

3. SkyWest flight with 3 JS, one ExpressJet and a UA guy and a Republic

my Assumption is it will be:
1. ExpressJet over SkyWest/Republic
2. UA over SkyWest/Republic
3. UA over ExpressJet, ExpressJet over Republic. And if there were more non exclusive JS there would be time of checking between them. Literarily non exclusive would never get on a 3rd party regional JS.

Casualinterest
10-14-2019, 06:14 AM
my Assumption is:

1. Endeavor over SkyWest/Republic

2. Delta over SkyWest/Republic

3. Time of checkin



.

I believe this is correct.

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Simpsons
10-14-2019, 06:19 AM
3. SkyWest flight with 3 JS, one ExpressJet and a UA guy and a Republic

my Assumption is it will be:
1. ExpressJet over SkyWest/Republic
2. UA over SkyWest/Republic
3. UA over ExpressJet, ExpressJet over Republic. And if there were more non exclusive JS there would be time of checking between them. Literarily non exclusive would never get on a 3rd party regional JS.


United pilot first then Republic and ExpressJet would be time of check-in.

JohnnyBekkestad
10-14-2019, 06:39 AM
United pilot first then Republic and ExpressJet would be time of check-in.

I believe the NEW way would not be that since Republic, SkyWest and Mesa are non exclusive and therefor it would not be time of checkin between Expressjet and republic

Simpsons
10-14-2019, 07:01 AM
I believe the NEW way would not be that since Republic, SkyWest and Mesa are non exclusive and therefor it would not be time of checkin between Expressjet and republic
Ok, we'll walk through this step-by-step then.

SkyWest flight. Non-exclusive regional so we'll use the non-exclusive regional chart.
https://i.imgur.com/xGIwe8p.jpg

We have three jumpseaters.

UA
UAXE
UAX

Looks like all 3 of them fall in category 4 and it would be by time of check in.

Looks like actually we were both wrong and it's actually time of checkin for all 3 of them. Which is even better for us (OO) pilots than what either of us thought.

JohnnyBekkestad
10-14-2019, 07:30 AM
Ok, we'll walk through this step-by-step then.

SkyWest flight. Non-exclusive regional so we'll use the non-exclusive regional chart.
https://i.imgur.com/xGIwe8p.jpg

We have three jumpseaters.

UA
UAXE
UAX

Looks like all 3 of them fall in category 4 and it would be by time of check in.

Looks like actually we were both wrong and it's actually time of checkin for all 3 of them. Which is even better for us (OO) pilots than what either of us thought.

Interesting, i am not seeing the UAXE and UAX distinction on this picture. Non the less interesting.
Do you happen to have the pictures for all the different scenarios?

Simpsons
10-14-2019, 07:41 AM
Interesting, i am not seeing the UAXE and UAX distinction on this picture. Non the less interesting.
Do you happen to have the pictures for all the different scenarios?
https://i.imgur.com/QABtMdi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ttnifJz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5GFPeOJ.jpg

It is nearly identical to Delta's JS priority. The only distinction I can see is on exclusive airlines other exclusive airline pilots have priority over non-exclusive. But the only reason for that is Endeavor is the only exclusive Delta regional. I'm sure if there were others they'd be above non-exclusive regionals as well.

theUpsideDown
10-14-2019, 07:49 AM
You guys make it sound so simple. Yes, great idea. But some companies made it clear that they donít want all the pilots to follow that flying.

Yeah, I wasn't saying right now I'll just snap my finger and make it happen.

Meow1215
10-14-2019, 09:24 AM
Can you please expand your answer in a few different scenarios

1. Delta flight with 2 JS, one Endeavor and a SkyWest/Republic guy
2. Endeavor flight with 2 JS, one Delta and a SkyWest/Republic guy
3. SkyWest/Republic flight with 2 JS, one Endeavor and a Delta guy

my Assumption is:
1. Endeavor over SkyWest/Republic
2. Delta over SkyWest/Republic
3. Time of checkin

Same scenario on the UA new one would be
1. UA flight with 2 JS, one ExpressJet and a SkyWest/Republic guy
2. ExpressJet flight with 2 JS, one UA and a SkyWest/Republic guy

Now this is where it gets really complicated

3. SkyWest flight with 3 JS, one ExpressJet and a UA guy and a Republic

my Assumption is it will be:
1. ExpressJet over SkyWest/Republic
2. UA over SkyWest/Republic
3. UA over ExpressJet, ExpressJet over Republic. And if there were more non exclusive JS there would be time of checking between them. Literarily non exclusive would never get on a 3rd party regional JS.

*answer limited to just pilots

Delta priority:
Delta maineline
Endeavor
All other DCI (time of check-in)
All other airlines

Endeavor priority:
Endeavor
Delta
All other DCI (time of check-in)
All other airlines

Skywest broad category:
Skywest
Code share maineline/ regional partner branded flying
All other airlines

Delta Skywest specific:
Skywest
Delta/Delta Connection (time of check-in)
All other airlines

The ALPA jumpseat app has all this information or you can email the jumpseat committee at said airline.

Cujo665
10-14-2019, 09:32 AM
Interesting, i am not seeing the UAXE and UAX distinction on this picture. Non the less interesting.
Do you happen to have the pictures for all the different scenarios?

Right now only Gojet has signed the agreement and is the only UAXE... the others became OAL until they sign.

web500sjc
10-14-2019, 03:13 PM
https://i.imgur.com/QABtMdi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ttnifJz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5GFPeOJ.jpg

It is nearly identical to Delta's JS priority. The only distinction I can see is on exclusive airlines other exclusive airline pilots have priority over non-exclusive. But the only reason for that is Endeavor is the only exclusive Delta regional. I'm sure if there were others they'd be above non-exclusive regionals as well.

Sounds fun... No time of checkin for UAX/UA carriers on UAX/UA (except for the non signing airlines). Itís all date of hire, all the time.

Baradium
10-14-2019, 03:55 PM
Sounds fun... No time of checkin for UAX/UA carriers on UAX/UA (except for the non signing airlines). It’s all date of hire, all the time.

That is a substantial difference in jumpseat priority. I can see why other airlines would be upset about United trying to force them to go to their non-standard system. I can also see why they would be upset that United is using the idea of "airlines that agree to this change get to have a higher priority than those who don't" and would give UAL pilots the same treatment (which is what I am assuming is happening).

Baradium
10-14-2019, 04:11 PM
https://i.imgur.com/QABtMdi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ttnifJz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5GFPeOJ.jpg

It is nearly identical to Delta's JS priority. The only distinction I can see is on exclusive airlines other exclusive airline pilots have priority over non-exclusive. But the only reason for that is Endeavor is the only exclusive Delta regional. I'm sure if there were others they'd be above non-exclusive regionals as well.

The "date of hire" vs "time of check-in" is a substantial difference in a priority list and different from industry standard.

preflight
10-15-2019, 05:36 AM
The "date of hire" vs "time of check-in" is a substantial difference in a priority list and different from industry standard.

So when does JS get released for those "no show" 1985 hires to a guy who was there an hour early? Or does the flight go late or more likely with no JS...

Glenntilton
10-15-2019, 05:41 AM
So when does JS get released for those "no show" 1985 hires to a guy who was there an hour early? Or does the flight go late or more likely with no JS...


Up to the Captain. He/she can have a cut-off time.