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Guac
10-18-2019, 09:31 PM
I'm sure I'm not the first to ask here, but I couldn't find something close enough to my situation.

I live near DTW and have a March 2020 class date. Just a few questions:

-How long after training could expect to get DTW?
-How long are upgrade times overall, and how long would it take to get DTW as a fresh CA?
-How long should I expect reserve at DTW once there?
-Would the 900 be more likely assigned and how would this affect these times vs the 200?
-How long to get to DGI and is it any faster than off the street?

Sorry, I know it's a lot, but just trying to see what my QOL would be like. Thanks!


Meow1215
10-18-2019, 09:53 PM
I'm sure I'm not the first to ask here, but I couldn't find something close enough to my situation.

I live near DTW and have a March 2020 class date. Just a few questions:

-How long after training could expect to get DTW?
-How long are upgrade times overall, and how long would it take to get DTW as a fresh CA?
-How long should I expect reserve at DTW once there?
-Would the 900 be more likely assigned and how would this affect these times vs the 200?
-How long to get to DGI and is it any faster than off the street?

Sorry, I know it's a lot, but just trying to see what my QOL would be like. Thanks!

Realistically the first four questions donít have a good answer because March is too far away. By then 9E will be picking up airframes from G7. It is expected that allot of this flying will be out of DTW. All that is going to change these answer by December and again by February. That having been said, if it was today:

- DTW within 6 months
- RSV 6-9 months
- CA 3+ years
- 9 vs 2 is a total craps shoot with an 18 month seat lock on either

These wonít change by March (most likely anyway)
- 18 months minimum from the day you complete CA OE
- OTS is faster if you can get the interview and get hired

Guac
10-19-2019, 05:50 PM
Realistically the first four questions donít have a good answer because March is too far away. By then 9E will be picking up airframes from G7. It is expected that allot of this flying will be out of DTW. All that is going to change these answer by December and again by February. That having been said, if it was today:

- DTW within 6 months
- RSV 6-9 months
- CA 3+ years
- 9 vs 2 is a total craps shoot with an 18 month seat lock on either

These wonít change by March (most likely anyway)
- 18 months minimum from the day you complete CA OE
- OTS is faster if you can get the interview and get hired

So essentially when I do upgrade, I'd be sent back to New York for at least a year and a half? Or are you saying 3+ years from upgrade? Also I imagine being on reserve would be longer as a captain.


Meow1215
10-19-2019, 06:29 PM
So essentially when I do upgrade, I'd be sent back to New York for at least a year and a half? Or are you saying 3+ years from upgrade? Also I imagine being on reserve would be longer as a captain.

Most junior captain on property is a 4/2018 hire. Most junior award from the last vacancy is 11/2017 with a class date in January 2020. If you were hired today upgrade is 2-3 years away realistically at the earliest. Upgrade in DTW, add another 6 months.

Yes - you would be upgrading to reserve.


Again - this is todayís answer and it will be different in a month. With the additional airframes coming online, there is no good answer.

flydiamond
10-19-2019, 06:32 PM
Most junior captain on property is a 4/2018 hire. Most junior award from the last vacancy is 11/2017 with a class date in January 2020. If you were hired today upgrade is 2-3 years away realistically at the earliest. Upgrade in DTW, add another 6 months.

Yes - you would be upgrading to reserve.


Again - this is todayís answer and it will be different in a month. With the additional airframes coming online, there is no good answer.

Most junior award is a January 2017 hire, not a November 2017 hire, so currently sitting at 3 years.

ASAPsafetyGUY
10-19-2019, 09:58 PM
Most junior captain on property is a 4/2018 hire. Most junior award from the last vacancy is 11/2017 with a class date in January 2020. If you were hired today upgrade is 2-3 years away realistically at the earliest. Upgrade in DTW, add another 6 months.

Yes - you would be upgrading to reserve.


Again - this is todayís answer and it will be different in a month. With the additional airframes coming online, there is no good answer.

Im too mean. Im like, let this guy make his own life choices and roll his own dice. lol. Bad me.

10L 4 Spacing
10-20-2019, 04:16 AM
Let's be clear which upgrade is fastest to DTW, it's not on the 900. I'm a 12/2016 hire and I'm 40ish numbers away. But, my CA 900 ATL slot is for sale.

blindfayth
10-20-2019, 10:23 AM
Keep in mind that life on reserve in dtw here is vastly different from life on reserve at OO in DTW.

I think we have somewhere around 40-50 lines of reserve for FOs across both fleets. This means you have many options of being preferred to be used a lot or a little. I.e. I opt for last out short call in base, and get used maybe 3-5 days a month. I then pick up 1-2 open time trips to bring total monthly credit to 100-110 @ 60$\hr. Plus per diem. This way I get to spend 20+ nights at home in base.

SkyWest reserve lines are around... 10? Total for DTW. Thus they get used a lot, like it or not. Their line holders also primarily are awarded 4on, 2 off schedules every month, with minimal days off, as half of their flights are on the 200, and thus less credit.

They work more for less pay, with less reserve flexibility.

So it really depends on what's important to you for QOL.

ninerdriver
10-20-2019, 10:33 AM
So it really depends on what's important to you for QOL.

Speaking of QOL, at 8:01 on day one of indoc at OO, pilots immediately lose two points on the hot-or-not scale. If you do opt for OO, then bring a mouthguard to prevent the sudden protrusion of your front teeth from cutting into you lower lip.

You'll also need your medical certificate revised to read "must wear horn-rimmed glasses."

These are serious issues that must not be overlooked when considering OO.

Milksheikh
10-20-2019, 01:13 PM
there are FO's at endeavor who can't upgrade yet hired a year before our most recent dtw capt upgrades. I'm sure upgrade times will trend down as more planes come onboard but something to think about.

As for reserve, you can get a line a month or 2 after ioe in dtw at skywest. The pay rates are better at edv as are the work rules, but you'll be on capt pay, off reserve, and in the base you want at skywest a lot sooner too.

Casualinterest
10-20-2019, 02:20 PM
there are FO's at endeavor who can't upgrade yet hired a year before our most recent dtw capt upgrades. I'm sure upgrade times will trend down as more planes come onboard but something to think about.



As for reserve, you can get a line a month or 2 after ioe in dtw at skywest. The pay rates are better at edv as are the work rules, but you'll be on capt pay, off reserve, and in the base you want at skywest a lot sooner too.

What? If there is an upgrade awarded to a pilot, any senior pilot had the opportunity to also bid for that upgrade. Unless you're saying base changes for existing captains that Upgraded quickly. Is that what you meant? If you want an upgrade, everyone knows you take the first available and then hope for a base change later. That's why a Junior pilot can hold a captain slot in a base that an FO can't upgrade in.



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captive apple
10-20-2019, 02:22 PM
First Iíve heard that more reserve lines are a positive.
Percentages are typically used instead of absolute number of reserve lines because itís relative.

KSCessnaDriver
10-20-2019, 03:10 PM
First I’ve heard that more reserve lines are a positive.
Percentages are typically used instead of absolute number of reserve lines because it’s relative.

It's called being adequately staffed versus a shoe-string staffing level

captive apple
10-20-2019, 04:10 PM
It's called being adequately staffed versus a shoe-string staffing level

Bigotry stopped being funny to most people.

Milksheikh
10-20-2019, 06:48 PM
What? If there is an upgrade awarded to a pilot, any senior pilot had the opportunity to also bid for that upgrade. Unless you're saying base changes for existing captains that Upgraded quickly. Is that what you meant? If you want an upgrade, everyone knows you take the first available and then hope for a base change later. That's why a Junior pilot can hold a captain slot in a base that an FO can't upgrade in.
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Sorry I meant at skywest. The skywest guy was hired a year after the edv guy and just got awarded upgrade in dtw. I think the edv should get it really soon though.

42jeff
10-21-2019, 06:30 AM
What? If there is an upgrade awarded to a pilot, any senior pilot had the opportunity to also bid for that upgrade. Unless you're saying base changes for existing captains that Upgraded quickly. Is that what you meant? If you want an upgrade, everyone knows you take the first available and then hope for a base change later. That's why a Junior pilot can hold a captain slot in a base that an FO can't upgrade in.



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That's exactly what I did. I'm one of those Jan 17 hires that upgraded last fall. My upgrade slot was to NY which I wasn't thrilled with but on the next vacancy was able to get Detroit.... Before I even went to class. Of course I'll be reserve for probably another 6 months plus... But hey... I keep my commute and crash pad simple and gradually pick up some flying.